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200FPW Blurring

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Rrael

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I just recently bought a Dell 2005FPW, and although I love it, its not living up to the "gaming moniter" description that most people give it. There doesn't seem to be any ghosting, but I do get a lot of blurring in every game i've played so far, and even when just browsing web pages. I'm using a dvi connection, and it seems to be the same with both vga and dvi. Its even worse in AoE3 or Civ4 type games than in FPS, enough to give me a headache and make it unplayable.

I always hear that the 16ms response time is fine for gaming, and considering I always used a refresh rate of 60 on my old 15" CRT, I figured the moniter would be fine, and that I shouldn't notice any difference. Am I just one of those people who are more sensative to LCD response times? I really like the widescreen, and my only other LCD choice at the moment is the Viewsonic 19" widescreen, but I'm worried that I'll experience the same blurring as this. Or is it possible there is something wrong with the moniter itself? Seeing as how most everyone says its great for gaming, I don't understand why i'm seeing so much blurring, thanks in advance for any answers.
 
You're just one of those people that see ghosting.
I went from a 19" crt trinitron to a 2005fpw to a 2405fpw and saw ghosting on both lcds right away... my brother however couldn't really see it.
I returned both and now I'm back on my crt..... the ghosting was just too much for me :S
and yes, I saw it when scrolling up and down on any/every webpage.
 
Thanks for the fast response, would I have the same problem with other LCDs to? The Viewsonic is 8ms response time, so I assume the ghosting might not be a problem, or will I pretty much notice it on any moniter?
 
just a quick question, are you using it in it's native res?
 
it might be a defective unit.

or, as the person above said, it usually depends on the person.
 
I would say, try it out on a friend's PC, and look at some LCDs in a store, just to make sure it's not defective or there isn't a problem with the video card or settings. If you find out that you are sensitive, get rid of it, get a cheap CRT and wait for SED monitors to come out.
 
I doubt it was a defective unit. Not many people can see the difference but for the minority who can its unbareable. Get a fw900 like i did =)
 
Right now i'm looking at that Viewsonic 19" with 8ms response, which i'm hoping will be low enough that it won't bother me, but otherwise I guess i'd have to look into a CRT until technology can handle my apparently super senses. If anyone that has this problem uses a 8ms LCD and it looks fine, i'd love to know, only way to be sure is to hear from personal experience, don't have any good electronic stores in the area to check out moniters at.
 
I got a Samsung 940B 8ms and noticed blurring quite easily. My sister got the same monitor so I know it wasn't a defective unit. Sold it and got a FW900.
 
Yep theres no LCD that doesn't do it. I have a 12ms Sony and find the blurring so bad i hardly ever use the thing. I've also tried a 3ms Viewsonic and while significantly better it still blurred way too much for my tastes..
 
I have a 940B as well, and I agree that there is some noticable blurring in places. However, I could also notice flickering in CRT's far easier that I do blurring on my LCD so its a tradeoff. Even then, the blurring doesnt really bother me at all unless I'm really looking for it.

The only real downside I can think of is having to use V-sync to prevent image tearing. Now I have to turn some settings down to keep the fps at its highest, but it wasnt bad once I got used to it, and the added resolution and sharpness of the LCD made up for it.

There are some tradeoff's, and it really depends on how you notice these types of things, but I'm very happy with my monitor.
 
Well from the sound of it, i'm better off sticking with a CRT, but i'm having a hard time finding one that interests me. I'd really like a widescreen, but the FW900 is a little big for my tastes, and I can't find much else. Something like a 20 - 22" widescreen would be perfect, just something to last me until SED technology.
 
I've got dual Samsung 172x 17" LCDs with 12ms response time. I can see a tad bit of blurring, which bothered me for a few weeks, but after awhile you start to not even notice it After my eyes adjusted, my gaming was unaffected. For reference I play pretty much Quake exclusively in FPS, and also games like Need for Speed, Grand Theft Auto, etc. I don't play RTS much, but I did play Battle for Middle Earth 2 and had absolutely no problems.

I've got a 25ms older LCD on the wife's system, and I would never be able to play on that. Anything 12ms or lower shouldn't be that big of a problem. You also can't really go by manufacturers numbers on the response times since it's not always accurate for gaming. I did lots of research before buying these and finally went with them because every review or person I found raved about them for gaming. I found reviews by sites that do not use real world gaming tests pretty much useless.

Again, give it a few weeks for your eyes to adjust to the difference and see how it is once you get a faster monitor.
 
I have a 19" AOPEN F90jS. I too came from a CRT and noticed significant blurring. It really was a problem with gaming. This monitor has a supposed 16ms response too. I did however got used to it and since having had my CRT die on me and having no choice, this LCD has served me well. The image quality is well worth the trade off for me as i'm used to the "ghosting" effect now.
 
I too went from a CRT to a 2005FPW, and I noticed the ghosting at first, even when scrolling web-pages. But now everything's fine and I don't notice it at all. I play Quake 4 mp a lot, and I couldn't notice ghosting even if I tried. This monitor is great, aside from the slight backlight bleeding issue I have; though I think I might phone Dell about that soon and see what can be done.

By the way, how long have you had your monitor? You might get used to it, yet. I know when I first played Doom 3 it was horrid; I almost wanted to go back to my 17"CRT (almost). But now, I don't notice any ghosting; I guess I've just adjusted well, I don't know..
 
I've had it for about a week, and I don't think I could possibly get used to it. I've tried to game as much as possible for that reason, hoping if I stopped paying attention to it that it wouldn't bother me, but no luck so far.

I think I might go for a Viewsonic VX922, I seriously doubt i'd notice ghosting with a response like that, or at least it would be minor enough to make it a great upgrade over an old CRT.
 
I don't believe the argument that "perceiving ghosting depends on the person", unless they have major eyesight issues. How can anyone not see something that is right there in front of them? It's a fact that the pixels take time to change from one color to the next, and it's a fact that the blur is actually there and not just something your mind is making up. How can anyone not see something that is actually there? It's like saying that you cannot see this sentence, and if that's the case then you need to have your eyes checked.

All LCD's will ghost, even the 2ms ones. Why? Because of false advertising. No LCD actually has the advertised response time. Just read the technical reviews of any LCD, they have way higher than the advertised response time, and I think it's just BS that a professional company can get away with saying that a monitor has 2ms response time when in reality it has 16+.
 
jaguax, I can't see any ghosting/blurring on my 2005, and I have better than 20/20 vision. Some people just don't notice it. Also, advertised response times are often only certain color changes, or are response times under "ideal" conditions.

As for the OP, if you can't get used to it, go with a CRT until SED comes out. My guess is that you'll still find lower latency monitors unacceptable, albeit the ghosting should be much less. Really you need to try and go to a brick and mortar and try a few monitors out to know for sure
 
Unless you just have to return the monitor in a certain time period, please give it 2-3 weeks of use before you give up. It won't magically go away, but seriously, you will start to just not think about it and hence not notice it at all after awhile. I think it took me at least 3 weeks to get to the point that I didn't notice it.
 
waddles said:
jaguax, I can't see any ghosting/blurring on my 2005, and I have better than 20/20 vision. Some people just don't notice it.
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So you are telling me, that on a completely black background, if a completely white object smoothly moves by at a pretty fast speed, you will see ABSOLUTELY no trails following it? Meaning that as it is moving past the black pixels, the pixels that it JUST passed over turn instantly black again with no fading effect whatsoever? You cannot perceive this at all, not even in the slightest?

I really can't believe that. Even a CRT has this effect... when a white object, such as your cursor moves smoothly along a black background, you will notice a very slight motion blur effect. I don't think it's the same as "ghosting", but more like real life motion blur... A reason why movies run at 24 fps rather than 60+ from what I remember. But an LCD just amplifies this effect so it's even easier to see.
 
Well I just returned the viewsonic vp930b lcd 8ms. I had it about a week or two. For desktop use it was great, no problems. For games :( I noticed blurring right away, turned vsync on and it helped a little, but no where near the as good as my mitsubishi diamond pro 930sb crt. It gave me headaches and made me downright sick to my stomach. That's my 4th LCD I tried all fast response time ones. So for me I've learned that LCD's suck at gaming period. I'll wait for SED monitors than try one of those...
 
Well it really suprised me, but I hooked up the monitor one more time to give it a go, and the blurring doesn't seem to be nearly as bad. I asked a friend to take a look and he said it looked the same to him, so I guess my eyes did adjust to it a bit. Theres still a little ghosting, but its not affecting me much and I think it'll be even better in a few weeks once i'm used to it. Played some COD2 and kicked ass, very happy to be keeping it. Thanks for the advice, really didn't want to see it go heh :D
 
Way to stick with it. I think half the people who switch back blow them off before giving them an adequate try. I know I would never go back to CRT now.
 
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