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GetFunk01

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The 2001FP has almost zero ghosting. There are, of course, slight motion blurring, but they are not noticeable in any sense. Even the AT Dolphin Demo ran smoothly - you can actually see that the eyes are traingular polygons, not trailing black dots. HOWEVER, there is a very major flaw in 2001FP's image quality in fast-paced video/games that defeats the whole purpose of the 2001FP's fast response time (and, I've noticed, that EVERY SINGLE review article of the 2001FP fails to address this problem, which seems to be an inherent problem in the design): there is a very strange, interlace pattern throughout the entire display when fast-motion video or game is being displayed. If you are just relaxed and not being very focused while you play, the interlace pattern is not very evident; but upon close inspection, it gets very annoying. The ATI Dolphin Demo, Final Fantasy XI, Lord of the Rings, The Matrix Reloaded all show this symptom (and this interlace-pattern is not something I've seen in any other LCD I've experienced so far - possible problem with the IPS display mode, may be? Or could it be a problem with the design of the Genesis Malibu chipset? I do not know). The interlace patterns do not appear when the video is still; so while you are taking screenshots and such, the picture looks fine. There is, however, one instance at which you can capture a glimpse of the interlace during still-video though: stare at a non-moving image (the desktop, for example), an move your vision rapidly from top to bottom of the display, and you'll see the strange interlace pattern on the display. It's gone as soon as your vision becomes still. I am almost ready to suspect that the 2001FP is using some sort of 2-field interlaced display mode (similar to that of the TV) to achieve its fast response time.

In short, the 213T actually has an edge on overall image quality, even in fast-paced motion videos. True, the 2001FP has no ghosting, but I think the interlace pattern just defeats the whole purpose of no ghosting - I consider it almost a more severe problem than ghosting.

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As you see, im not the only one who things this desplay is more hype. I agree ghosting is minimal. There is another problem that i feel is worst then ghosting, and this problem actually makes the 16ms rs time obsolete. If you can try before you buy. After i got over the awe of this display, i can see that there are real issues with it. Just a heads up. If your happy great. Cheers.
 
Originally posted by GetFunk01
If your happy great. Cheers.
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which I am so it really doesnt mean diddly-squat to me if you or anyone else has anything negative to say about this great LCD so I'll leave my comments at that.
 
im gald your happy with it. Just as some people think 19" 25ms panels dont ghost. I glad the like those also. Im just send out what i see with mine. Take it as you wish. If you actually watch the screen you will see it. Its horrid. Ghosting is just about gone, but they found a new problem.. Maybe a new Revsion of the LCD will fix it, but i cant recomed this LCD in its current state.
 
Originally posted by GetFunk01
Maybe a new Revsion of the LCD will fix it, but i cant recomed this LCD in its current state.
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okay then, now that thats said, I'm sure the sales of the 2001FPs will go down the toilet. :D
 
Im sorry we have different opions of this LCD, im not getting personal with you and you like the LCD. I did like the LCD. I dove right in, did 5 exchanges and now i think its not as perfect as i wanted. This might be the best 20", but not better then the 16ms or 20ms 17" panels. This is not a gamers LCD. Maybe a casual gamer will not mind it.
 
Don't know of anyone that has seen this problem. I sure as heck can't see it.

No one else has mentioned it either, got to make you wonder about some peoples opinions? Just put a bullet in your head and get over the negativity in your life.

I think I can see 3D sparkles on red with pink flowers during the screen boot. But its only then, so I thought I would bring it up, anything to try and bring down this monitor really helps everyone, dont we all agree?:rolleyes:
 
I do see the issue he has stated, but it doesn't bother me as much.

Both CRT and LCD monitors have their own pros and cons, but for some reason all opinions seem to be more critical on the LCD side. I don't really understand why, but it is.

Some people say that LCD technology is not even close to where it should be. ( I'm guessing it's in comparison to a CRT )
But I don't see anybody complaining of the blurriness of the text on a CRT, and claiming that CRT has such major issues and is not upto standards.

When I had my CRT, I was fine with most aspects except the fact that the text was a bit blurry and that working on it for a prolonged period of time gave me headaches (and of course, the size) .
With the purchase of an LCD, those problems totally went away - although a few new issues emerged.

So my point is, either way you go - there are bound to be some unsatisfaction.

It is harder for manufacturers (e.g. LG phillips) to develop larger screen lcds. Thus the yields are lower and some sacrifices are made. That is why 16ms 17" panels were released much before the 20" models. The smaller of the two are better in some aspects. So it all depends on what's more important to you.. A slightly better performing monitor (due to the fact that it's smaller) or a whole lot more desktop real estate.

My personal opinion of this monitor itself has been pretty great, other than the defect issues. When I do some gaming, I don't really notice anything out of the ordinary. Everyone has different vision and level of expectations.

It is unfortunate that you are so unsatified with this particular monitor. You should look into the 213t instead.
 
since i dont like a product means i wanna jump off a building. Yes you got me figured out. You sicken me. Why cant i post what i think? Does it offend you that i really dont like this LCD? I think you may have a low self image. I glad you love your LCD, and many other (if not most) love this LCD. I glad people love there 25ms LCD also. I dont. Dont mean i want to blow my fucking head off.
 
You can post whatever you want, as I can post that I am sick and tired of all the negatives here including you. Why are you constantly trying to bring people down with your negativity it helps no one. Are you really helping people or do you think you are! Try and help people by being positive. I am only negative like this when enough is enough. I think the main value of this forum is to help people with questions, not to keep blurting negativity when your not even asked it. Think about it!
There are already plenty of negative posts here without yours.
 
Originally posted by Ramfart
You can post whatever you want, as I can post that I am sick and tired of all the negatives here including you. Why are you constantly trying to bring people down with your negativity it helps no one.
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God forbid someone has something bad to say about this monitor :rolleyes:

My (apparently illegal) advice to anyone considering this monitor is this: Open a window and stand 10 or so feet away. If you can make out the lines of the screen, don't buy this monitor.
 
Bring the forum down. Why cant i let people know how i feel about a product, but you can. I see, forums are only for people that like everything. Im not talking about the screen dooring. It doesnt bother me at all. Its not the ghosting, it does something else that i cant quite exsplain. There are millions of good reviews of this LCD. Mines not even a bad review. I give it a 7/10 rating. It me its horrible, to most its perfect. Im ok with that, why arnt you. I dont want more people looking to replace there good 17" 16 or 20ms panel with this one as i did. Its not good enough yet.
 
Well the only thing I will say is this : everyone is entitled to their own feelings about this monitor but for me I am pleased with it overall much more pleased with it than my VP171b the color representation is so much better and lighter colors just simply do not wash out like they do on the AU panels!! This monitor will do me until the technology is there and it is still aways off if you ask me!! I can game on it, edit my photos better, have clearer text and no headache or eyestrain and all in all it is a better monitor for me than my VP171b or the 19" CRT I replaced with the VP171b LCD. So if you or anyone here can find me a better panel for the size and the price I will buy it, but there are none available and will not be for several more years and as I said before the technology just isn't where it needs to be yet with any LCD monitors!!!
 
Get my point yet?

Did you have one? - Mcseiam

if you dont have anything valid to say, dont post
 
OK, for those who have ordered the monitor, or have it, and are past your 30 free days, and want to return it...

If you have 0 dead pixels & no backlighting issues, just send the monitor to me, and I'll gladly send you a 22 inch CRT.
 
So now a moderator has edited my post! Which was my opinion with no flaming.

So please Mr moderator how did my post go against the rules of the forum. Please point me to the exact rule! That says if you have nothing valid to say don't post!

Or are the moderators free to delete what they "personally" don't like, because they think its not valid. Gee where are you guys when there are some real problems?
 
The Dell's quality is average, but for the price it's a very good buy!

There are better 20" LCDs out there -- but at higher prices.

I've also seen the effect on the Dell -- seems it can be fixed by some sort of "phase" control. Anyway back when my 1600SW was connected to an analog source I sometimes have that problem too, but the SGI multilink adapter's phase adjustment feature pretty much eliminated it.

I dun see any reason for ppl to "crusade" for OR against it -- makes u all look like a bunch of rabid Mac pansies... :rolleyes:

cheers,

Yass
 
not sure what an "interlacing" problem is, the only thing i've seen that is flawed on the LCD (this may be the "problem") is sometimes during FMVs in games, you can see a horizontal scroll line for a split second or two. Doesn't happen all the time, and I haven't seen it while playing a game.
 
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