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TheOne5533

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Hey guys,
I have $2000 dollars for a new gaming and want it to scream framerate at lan parties. I really want 1MB cache of the cpu and want a 3.0 GHz overclock. Anyone know what I should get to make these thing come true? I am really looking at the new ATI Crossfire for my system(so hence just need one card for now and a good overclocker motherboard until Crossfire comes out) I also play SWG and it is a very ram hungry app. Please guys, help me what parts would do I need?
 
To hit 3GHz, you will probably need a 4000+/FX53/FX55 with an XP-120 and a big Panaflo. Doesn't leave you much money for RAM, video and the likes. As a general rule of the thumb, for games at least:

(Fast GPU + Slower CPU) > (Slower GPU + Faster CPU)
 
no. most hit ~2.7ghz. i have a sticky explicitly for determining this ;)

to he OP, if you want 3ghz, i'd go for the san deigo FX-55 and as nice of a video card will fit, but i think a cheaper cpu like an oc'ed 3700+ will be way more cost effective.
 
AMD Athlon 64 3700+
DFI Lan Party UT NForce4 Ultra-D
Thermalrigth XP-90C
Panaflo Fan
Mushkin Redline XP4000
Western Digital 74GB Raptor
Sapphire X850 XT
Lian Li PC-75
OCZ Powerstream 520w

I don't know what the final price for that is, but just giving you some ideas.
 
I would get a 3700+ and a X850XT too. You can make a nice gaming rig with that setup for $2000
Though if you can wait the new cards will be lot nicer but who knows when they will come out.
 
yea i just bought a system for around 1800 and the basic goodies are:

3700+ San Diego
1gb OCZ Plat. Rev. 2
BFG 6800GT
Audigy 2
74gb Raptor
MSI Platinum SLI
XP-90C w/Panaflo fan
blah blah blah...so far, it seems like an awesome set up :) havent gotten the chance to OC yet though
 
lcboyee1123 said:
yea i just bought a system for around 1800 and the basic goodies are:

3700+ San Diego
1gb OCZ Plat. Rev. 2
BFG 6800GT
Audigy 2
74gb Raptor
MSI Platinum SLI
XP-90C w/Panaflo fan
blah blah blah...so far, it seems like an awesome set up :) havent gotten the chance to OC yet though
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Nice set up .. very close to what I have
 
I'd only trust an FX55 or Newark to get you to 3ghz on air. Though for $2000, I'd wait and get a 4800+, Ultra-D, a gig of TMSP400, and a 6800GT and carry over HDD's and opticals.

Initial X2's are showing impressive OC's and would be much more fun for the price than an FX.
 
Price-to-performance cannot be stressed enough. Today's games won't get any Second Coming of Jesus-like gains from using say, an X850XT over a 6800GT, you'll still be able to run at fantastic framerates with both. Same goes for an A64-3200+ versus an FX-55. Total ripoff. Having the number "3.0 GHz!" does not mean your system is magically going to make today's games look renderfarm-produced and run 5x higher framerate than they would on hardware 1/5 the price. More like a "7% gain for 500% price".

Also, pouring more cash into the machine of course, will not make it future proof. Therefore, it is a far better recommendation to buy a machine that is capable of the here and now, and upgradable for tomorrow. Get a system with an nForce 4 board on Socket 939, a 3200+ Venice or similar, do a bit of overclocking perhaps. Add a 6800GT or an X800XL. Use the PCIe slot and Socket 939 to upgrade to the CPU and GPU you need later on-- you shouldn't need to upgrade the CPU for a long while yet for gaming intent, just upgrade the video card. This will get you the far better value as the next generation of video cards will NOT be long in coming, and you will look very silly if you spent an enormous amount of cash on a card that does not support the newest standards and is weaker than a card you can buy for LESS and DOES support the newer standards .. once the new silicon is actually required.

Food for thought.

My most recommended system config would be:
- Athlon 64 3200+ Venice
- 1024 MB or at a maximum, 2048 MB of DDR400 RAM, Corsair Value Select or Kingston ValueRAM (higher priced RAM will make little to no difference.)
- eVGA 6800 GT with 256 MB GDDR3, or ATi X800XL
.... or a Leadtek model with enormous heatsink/fan assembly to aid in more extreme overclocking adventures...
- DFI NF4 Ultra-D Motherboard (Socket 939, nForce 4)
- 1 or 2 Seagate 7200 RPM hard disks in your required sizes
- An Antec or Enermax power supply in the realm of 380W - 430W
- A decent cooler like the Thermaltake Silent Boost to aid overclocking.

This will run you UNDER $1,000 so you can pour the money into savings for future upgrades or into a better display, sound system, et cetera.
 
Epicenters config and a Vapochill will set U up... Allthough Id maybe go up th the 3700+ San Diego instead of the 3200. U want that 11* Multi and as U said the 512Kb extra chache has never hurt anyone.
 
Frallan said:
Epicenters config and a Vapochill will set U up... Allthough Id maybe go up th the 3700+ San Diego instead of the 3200. U want that 11* Multi and as U said the 512Kb extra chache has never hurt anyone.
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You can get by just fine with a divider and low latency winbond on a 3200+ if you're going to vapochill it.
 
Epicenter said:
Having the number "3.0 GHz!" does not mean your system is magically going to make today's games look renderfarm-produced and run 5x higher framerate than they would on hardware 1/5 the price.
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You're wrong. I used a 3ghz A64 once, and not only did I become more attractive to the opposite sex, but I received a raise at work and could suddenly operate fine on only 2 hours of sleep a night.* It's the Holy Grail of computing.

* Your experience may vary.
 
i stopped getting spam when i tried 3ghz. it's hot ;)

on a more serious note, the slightly slower cpu and faster gpu seems to be the winner here :p
 
A vapochill would be a total waste of time and money. The CPU will reach its maximum possible clock on a Thermaltake Silent Boost and won't go higher unless you apply liquid nitrogen. It will also run exactly the same at 70C as it will at 0C.
 
Epicenter said:
A vapochill would be a total waste of time and money. The CPU will reach its maximum possible clock on a Thermaltake Silent Boost and won't go higher unless you apply liquid nitrogen. It will also run exactly the same at 70C as it will at 0C.
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Good luck convincing those that cant get past 3.2ghz on an FX55 without phase change that.
 
Epicenter said:
A vapochill would be a total waste of time and money. The CPU will reach its maximum possible clock on a Thermaltake Silent Boost and won't go higher unless you apply liquid nitrogen. It will also run exactly the same at 70C as it will at 0C.
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you keep saying that, and i keep saying your belief is.. well incorrect to put it bluntly.
by dropping the core temp of my 3700+ from ~45c to ~35c, i get 50-75mhz more out of it, stable, at the same voltage. if temps don't matter, why get watercooling? :p
 
i guarentee chips dont oc the same at 0ºC and 70ºC. if they did, why wouldnt people just use stock cooling? every 10ºC lower gives about a 100mhz clock speed boost, it deminishes from that 100mhz mark when getting past 0ºC, but you still see an increase in speed lower temps you go.
 
Getting OT guys. He wants a system for LAN parties. Unless lots of people carry Vapochills around to LAN parties (I can't image doing it) it doesn't matter. I think he is talking air cooling like early responses reflected.
 
Hito Bahadur said:
Getting OT guys. He wants a system for LAN parties. Unless lots of people carry Vapochills around to LAN parties (I can't image doing it) it doesn't matter. I think he is talking air cooling like early responses reflected.
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Even still, the right air cooling makes a large difference for performance.
 
FX55 refurbished @ NE $725
2x512 Gskill LE $275
X850XT sapphire 0em @ monarch $439
Water cooling sytem for cpu/gpu $250
DFI ultra-D $165
You have $150 left for a good psu, add $100 and get Zippy 600Watter. Use your old case, CD drive and hard drive. You are all set, sir :D
 
gskill over twinmosSP for the voltage happy dfi. interesting choice, as gskill is indeed awesome... but i think the price/performance of two value CH based sticks can't be beat :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
gskill over twinmosSP for the voltage happy dfi. interesting choice, as gskill is indeed awesome... but i think the price/performance of two value CH based sticks can't be beat :D
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utt or tccd depend on psu choice. I got zippy 700W which is useless for ultra-d 5V mem. mod because incompatible with the 5V rail, but its voltages output wont budge even with highest everything (cpu/gpu/ram) oc.
 
Epicenter said:
A vapochill would be a total waste of time and money. The CPU will reach its maximum possible clock on a Thermaltake Silent Boost and won't go higher unless you apply liquid nitrogen. It will also run exactly the same at 70C as it will at 0C.
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Oh, really?

On stock air, my chip does 2.5ghz. Shitty clocker. On a Thermalright, it does 2.6ghz stable. On My Prometia MAch 1 unmodded it does 3.1ghz stable. When it gets back this week from modding, it will do 3.2ghz easily.

You obviosuly never have used phase change.
 
centvalny said:
utt or tccd depend on psu choice. I got zippy 700W which is useless for ultra-d 5V mem. mod because incompatible with the 5V rail, but its voltages output wont budge even with highest everything (cpu/gpu/ram) oc.
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true, i didn't think of that. for the more adventurous, you could mod the 3.3v rail and do a 3.3v = Vdimm mod :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
true, i didn't think of that. for the more adventurous, you could mod the 3.3v rail and do a 3.3v = Vdimm mod :D
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Open a psus cover is the last thing i wanna do :D Got zapped before and really learn a lesson....
 
centvalny said:
Open a psus cover is the last thing i wanna do :D Got zapped before and really learn a lesson....
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nice. i stay away from the inside of psu's unless it's been off and unplugged for at least a week. cameras on the other hand.. :rolleyes: :p
 
@ eclipse..ygpm..
Computerpro, can you figure out why zippy wont work with dfi 5V mod? Sorry, oot...
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
nice. i stay away from the inside of psu's unless it's been off and unplugged for at least a week. cameras on the other hand.. :rolleyes: :p
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Thanks for pm.
 
A CPU will be able to achieve the same clockrate anywhere within its operational temperature spec. I can run my CPU overclocked and it will run fine until it overheats-- it can be CLOSE to overheating and still be just as stable as it would be near room temperature. Unless you are taking the core temperature to well below 20F, there should not be any increase in stability.

"10c lower = 100 MHz higher" is also complete and total disinformation, and whoever told you that, has no clue what they are talking about to begin with. Every chip has its own clockrate ceiling, and you can cool a chip all you like, it won't pass it. You may be able to go further with EXTREME cooling, as in below 20F or probably, below *0F* (this is why Liquid nitrogen at -302F works) but don't expect that kind of result from high end air cooling, water cooling, or (most) phase change solutions. Because you won't get it.
 
Epicenter said:
but don't expect that kind of result from high end air cooling, water cooling, or (most) phase change solutions. Because you won't get it.
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Actually Peltiers fit the bill between extreme and watercooling, and they dont take the cpu much further from freezing and still gets much better results than simple water.
 
I'll believe it when I see it. Such statements violate basic microprocessor design principles.
 
so your say a stock cooler and a xp120 will allow for the same overclocking? i can guarentee you thats a no. temps play a big issue, stock cooling, you run 50-60ºC highly oc's, and some chips get flaky there, xp120, you load 38-48ºC, and if chips get flaky at 60ºC, then you have enough oc headroom to get that chip to 60ºC
 
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