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20" 4:3 LCD panel recommendations?

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jamespetts

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I am thinking of upgrading my old Eizo L367 15" monitor that I have had since 2003 to a somewhat larger model, and have settled, in terms of size, on a 20" 4:3 model. Reading reviews, I had initially thought that the Dell 2007FP would be a good choice, but now do not want that model (or, indeed, anything by Dell) after reading about the ongoing "panel lottery" on this forum.

I should be using the monitor for:

* Internet/word processing;
* Photography;
* Gaming; and
* Television/film,

in descending order of frequency.

I rather like the look of the Eizo FlexScan S2000, but that's a little on the pricey side. Can anybody recommend something good in this category?
 
Thank you for the recommendation :) I notice that that's a TN film model, though, and I worry whether the colour rendition would be good enough...
 
If internet and word processing are primary uses, then a 1600x1200 4:3 20" panel can be a little tiring on the eyes, even if DPI is increased.

The two 1400x1050 4:3 20" panels that I like are the ASUS LS201 and the Acer AL2017, with an edge to the ASUS. They are both TN, but are great for text. The ASUS has a diamond glass protective screen that is just slightly glossy, and 2000:1 contrast ratio. The Acer is under $200 and is quite a deal for that price, although the backlight is somewhat uneven.
 
NEC 2080UX+

I have owned 6 TFTs all above 20 inch and its the best monitor I have ever owned in terms of screen quality.
 
1600x1200 on 20" is just the standard pixelpitch of 2.55mm

If you get a IPS Dell 2007FP, you will be happy ;) The biggest point is that you have to be sure about the serialnumber.

I have three 1600x1200 20" monitors on my desk.

A Samsung 204Ts, not useable for gaming due to 40 ms inputlag.
A Dell 2007FP S-IPS revision A02
A Dell 2007FP S-IPS revision A05

I prefer the Dells above the Samsung. Besides that, a few weeks ago I have seen a Samsung 204b in comparison to my Samsung 204Ts, and trust me; the 204Ts is better in all ways exept price and offcourse the inputlag.

The 204b has indeed a TN panel, not as bad as the 245B, but still you see the color, clarity and contrast changes when you move your head a little.
 
Am I understanding right? If the monitor has a 1600x1050 resolution and if I change it to 1280x800, text will be worse?
 
behr said:
Am I understanding right? If the monitor has a 1600x1050 resolution and if I change it to 1280x800, text will be worse?
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My experience has been that any resolution other than the native resolution on a LCD monitor looks crappy for text. Also, VGA looks crappier than DVI. For LCD monitors, native resolution and DVI input gives the best text.

I also find than any pixel pitch below 0.264 (exactly 0.264 is ok) gives me headaches/eyestrain. But, I am really old (almost 38), so my eyes and brain may be too old to judge. Plenty of people have no problem with the pixel pitch 0.25x and below.

I don't like 1600x1200 on a 20" 4:3..... but 1680x1050 on a 20"/21"/22" widescreen is just fine (doesn't give me headaches). For 20" 4:3 (and there aren't a lot of such monitors), I greatly prefer 1400x1050, even if that means a pixel pitch in the 0.29x range.
 
lixuelai said:
samsung 204t ;). They go for fairly cheap on ebay.
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Yep, because everyone who owns one and plays games a little wants to sell it, because you can't even win a round of minesweeper withing 8 sec..

What do you think I replaced the 204Ts with the 2007FP for? Exactly! The inputlag! On day one all you see is that you have a kickass new monitor, and on day two you see that's it's not you, but the monitor that laggs like hell.

Even if you game 5 minutes or more a week: Don't get a 204T!!!!!
 
sadsac said:
My experience has been that any resolution other than the native resolution on a LCD monitor looks crappy for text. Also, VGA looks crappier than DVI. For LCD monitors, native resolution and DVI input gives the best text.

I also find than any pixel pitch below 0.264 (exactly 0.264 is ok) gives me headaches/eyestrain. But, I am really old (almost 38), so my eyes and brain may be too old to judge. Plenty of people have no problem with the pixel pitch 0.25x and below.

I don't like 1600x1200 on a 20" 4:3..... but 1680x1050 on a 20"/21"/22" widescreen is just fine (doesn't give me headaches). For 20" 4:3 (and there aren't a lot of such monitors), I greatly prefer 1400x1050, even if that means a pixel pitch in the 0.29x range.
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Thanks, your input is very valuable. I was thinking lower pitch would be better.
 
jcvjcvjcvjcv said:
Yep, because everyone who owns one and plays games a little wants to sell it, because you can't even win a round of minesweeper withing 8 sec..

What do you think I replaced the 204Ts with the 2007FP for? Exactly! The inputlag! On day one all you see is that you have a kickass new monitor, and on day two you see that's it's not you, but the monitor that laggs like hell.

Even if you game 5 minutes or more a week: Don't get a 204T!!!!!
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Lol sorry I meant the 204B which I have :p
 
dark_reign said:
The ViewSonic VP2030b would be a good choice for an all-rounder 4:3 LCD. I have the 19" version of this monitor and it has excelent color, contrast, and black levels. It uses a P-MVA panel, so viewing angles will not be an issue. The stand is adjustable as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116371
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Thank you for your advice :)

However, this is a P-MVA panel - isn't the reason that one should avoid the 2007FP precisely because it might come with a P-MVA panel instead of an IPS panel, or is this P-MVA panel better than the one that might come with the Dell?
 
No, the 2007FP comes in two flavours: S-IPS and S-PVA, from those, S-IPS is the best.

P-MVA is something else then S-PVA ;)
 
jcvjcvjcvjcv said:
That's not that good for the other points, like Photography; and Television/film
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Which isn't?

Incidentally, I rather like the look of the LG L2000C, but I can't seem to find it for sale anywhere in the UK that has it in stock - is it discontinued?
 
Hmm, I'm wondering whether the response time would be a little high for games on the VP2030b...?
 
jamespetts said:
Hmm, I'm wondering whether the response time would be a little high for games on the VP2030b...?
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8ms is common on P-MVA panels and the VP2030b uses an overdrive circuit to speed up response times. My VP930b shows some slight ghosting on FPS games but not enough to really notice it or effect gameplay.
 
Philips Brilliance 200P7ES is monitor with a classic aspect ratio of 4:3 and a rival to the above-described Dell 2007FP, free from serious defects :cool:
 
dark_reign said:
8ms is common on P-MVA panels and the VP2030b uses an overdrive circuit to speed up response times. My VP930b shows some slight ghosting on FPS games but not enough to really notice it or effect gameplay.
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I noticed that the VP2030b came out as a clear loser on this very detailed review because of poor colour reproduction. I did rather want to use the monitor for displaying photographs, too.
 
jamespetts said:
I noticed that the VP2030b came out as a clear loser on this very detailed review because of poor colour reproduction. I did rather want to use the monitor for displaying photographs, too.
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Nearly every monitor you buy needs to be calibrated if you are looking to do photo or graphics work. Most come out out of the box running very cool (blue). If you're serious about it then you can calibrate the grayscale by eye or get a colorimeter for better accuracy. The VP2030b needs calibration but the payoff is a great all-rounder LCD that should be good for nearly everything.

The other option is the 20" Dell that's been already recommended.
 
dark_reign said:
Nearly every monitor you buy needs to be calibrated if you are looking to do photo or graphics work. Most come out out of the box running very cool (blue). If you're serious about it then you can calibrate the grayscale by eye or get a colorimeter for better accuracy. The VP2030b needs calibration but the payoff is a great all-rounder LCD that should be good for nearly everything.
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Hmm, the Xbit article suggested that most monitors that it tested could be calibrated to a sufficiently high degree of accuracy using software, and that the Viewsonic was the only one that required extra hardware to calibrate properly.

The other option is the 20" Dell that's been already recommended.
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My understanding is that there is no way of telling whether one is getting one with a S-IPS panel, or the inferior P-MVA panel, and that the latter really is very inferior indeed, and, moreover, Dell dishonestly take active steps to conceal the truth about the matter. I'd only consider one of the Dell monitors if the worst possible outcome in the "panel lottery" is better than the next best model.
 
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