1TB VelociRaptor Just Released - 200+ MB/s

Looks pretty good for a spinner. Honestly the old VR's were getting outpaced by the modern big platter drives. Nice to see a refresh on this line, although at the same time it seems like they have almost gone obsolete, with SSD's taking up the high IOPS work and multi terrabyte slow spin drives taking up the low IOPS bulk storage.
 
Out of curiosity I wonder how this would compare to a second generation Seagate Momentus XT 750Gb.
 
way too pricey for my use, I can stream full HD content from my NAS using inexpensive WD Green drives and i would imagine using much less power and generating much less heat
 
nobody_here said:
way too pricey for my use, I can stream full HD content from my NAS using inexpensive WD Green drives and i would imagine using much less power and generating much less heat
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That's a silly post. You surely aren't the type of user this drive targets.
 
DuronClocker said:
That's a silly post. You surely aren't the type of user this drive targets.
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So what does this drive targets anyways? For speed, there is a SSD, and greens for storage. I am not sure where does this stand, possibly somewhere in the middle with a high price tag.
 
hmz said:
So what does this drive targets anyways? For speed, there is a SSD, and greens for storage. I am not sure where does this stand, possibly somewhere in the middle with a high price tag.
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Well, I just ordered 64 for a client that is doing uncompressed 4K video editing. It is for 4 16 drive RAID0 arrays on areca 1882 cards. That is exactly the kind of people this drive is targeted for.
 
mwroobel said:
Well, I just ordered 64 for a client that is doing uncompressed 4K video editing. It is for 4 16 drive RAID0 arrays on areca 1882 cards. That is exactly the kind of people this drive is targeted for.
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Possibly targeting a high end users then?
 
so i read the article and my impression was for the price they are targeting exactly where hmz said....in-between the run of the mill spinning disc users and the high end enthusiast pc builders who will buy SSD's that will run circles around these spinners.......the performance and the price seems to be very squarely in-between as he said......which is why I felt my post was rather relevant. If high end high bitrate media pushing 30+ MBps bitrates doesn't require SSD performance, and high end pc gaming rigs require SSD's.....then these drives, although they are marketed and priced low, are only meant for high end RAID arrays for people who don't want SSD performance..?????

seems like a solution to a problem that didn't exist
 
mwroobel said:
Well, I just ordered 64 for a client that is doing uncompressed 4K video editing. It is for 4 16 drive RAID0 arrays on areca 1882 cards. That is exactly the kind of people this drive is targeted for.
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This is exactly the kind of application I was thinking it could be used for, and low and behold, someone needs these just for that.
 
mwroobel said:
Well, I just ordered 64 for a client that is doing uncompressed 4K video editing. It is for 4 16 drive RAID0 arrays on areca 1882 cards. That is exactly the kind of people this drive is targeted for.
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wow, please post some pics!
what does the rest of system look like?

I would like to upgrade from my 4 x Samsung F3 500GB
 
EnderW said:
wow, please post some pics!
what does the rest of system look like?

I would like to upgrade from my 4 x Samsung F3 500GB
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I'll try and get some pics when we do the setup. Each of the 4 systems is an HP ML350p Gen8 http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-241434-241646-241477-5177961.html?dnr=1 with 2 Xeon E5-2650 processors and 192GB of RAM. The included Compaq Smartarray controller will be connected to 2 Samsung 830 SSD's http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PC512D/AM in RAID1. There will be 16 of the 1TB Vraptors http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=20 installed and connected with a custom cable/caddie set to the Vraptors in RAID0 which will be connected to an Areca 1882-16 http://areca.us/products/1882.htm with a BBU. Also installed in each of the servers will be 2 HP NC523SFP http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/networking/nc523sfp/index.html Dual port 10Gb ethernet adapters, which will offer bonded 20Gb/s channels to 2 different Cisco Nexus switches http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps9441/ps9402/ps9512/Data_Sheet_C78-437757.html . Each system will also include the 4 slot Nvidia Quadro Digital Video Pipeline system (psychotically expensive by itself) (Includes an SDI in card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_capture_us.html, SDI out card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_output_us.html and a 6GB Quadro 6000 http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-6000-us.html which will be connected to 2 30" displays for the actual work, as well as a Barco Galaxy 4k-12 projector (even more psychotically expensive) which will be attached to just one of the systems via SDI and SDi to DVI processor http://www.barco.com/en/products-so...12000-lumens-4k-three-chip-dlp-projector.aspx for final display and group collaboration of edits. God I wish I had the kind of money these guys do!
 
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_PixelNinja said:
Out of curiosity I wonder how this would compare to a second generation Seagate Momentus XT 750Gb.
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I'd be interested in knowing that too... Ever since I got the Performance Pro, I've only been using the RAID array for docs and downloads. The speed's great for photo editing (I shoot with an A77, so files can be pretty chunky), but it's not exactly power efficient...

I'm specifically wondering how it would compare as a documents drive. My understanding of the Momentus XT is that a chunk of the cache is specifically reserved for boot files, and the rest is populated depending on file use (which isn't massively helpful for a docs drive).
 
adrichardson said:
My understanding of the Momentus XT is that a chunk of the cache is specifically reserved for boot files, and the rest is populated depending on file use (which isn't massively helpful for a docs drive).
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As far as I know that is indeed how it works.
 
mwroobel said:
I'll try and get some pics when we do the setup. Each of the 4 systems is an HP ML350p Gen8 http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-241434-241646-241477-5177961.html?dnr=1 with 2 Xeon E5-2650 processors and 192GB of RAM. The included Compaq Smartarray controller will be connected to 2 Samsung 830 SSD's http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PC512D/AM in RAID1. There will be 16 of the 1TB Vraptors http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=20 installed and connected with a custom cable/caddie set to the Vraptors in RAID0 which will be connected to an Areca 1882-16 http://areca.us/products/1882.htm with a BBU. Also installed in each of the servers will be 2 HP NC523SFP http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/networking/nc523sfp/index.html Dual port 10Gb ethernet adapters, which will offer bonded 20Gb/s channels to 2 different Cisco Nexus switches http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps9441/ps9402/ps9512/Data_Sheet_C78-437757.html . Each system will also include the 4 slot Nvidia Quadro Digital Video Pipeline system (psychotically expensive by itself) (Includes an SDI in card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_capture_us.html, SDI out card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_output_us.html and a 6GB Quadro 6000 http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-6000-us.html which will be connected to 2 30" displays for the actual work, as well as a Barco Galaxy 4k-12 projector (even more psychotically expensive) which will be attached to just one of the systems via SDI and SDi to DVI processor http://www.barco.com/en/products-so...12000-lumens-4k-three-chip-dlp-projector.aspx for final display and group collaboration of edits. God I wish I had the kind of money these guys do!
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I'd love to know the final bill for the hardware, even ballparking it. Whoever is doing this video editing must make craptons of money to spend on a setup like this. $250k? $500k? I'm really curious.
 
collegeboy69us said:
I'd love to know the final bill for the hardware, even ballparking it. Whoever is doing this video editing must make craptons of money to spend on a setup like this. $250k? $500k? I'm really curious.
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Pics of that setup IMO.
 
mwroobel said:
I'll try and get some pics when we do the setup. Each of the 4 systems is an HP ML350p Gen8 http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-241434-241646-241477-5177961.html?dnr=1 with 2 Xeon E5-2650 processors and 192GB of RAM. The included Compaq Smartarray controller will be connected to 2 Samsung 830 SSD's http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PC512D/AM in RAID1. There will be 16 of the 1TB Vraptors http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=20 installed and connected with a custom cable/caddie set to the Vraptors in RAID0 which will be connected to an Areca 1882-16 http://areca.us/products/1882.htm with a BBU. Also installed in each of the servers will be 2 HP NC523SFP http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/networking/nc523sfp/index.html Dual port 10Gb ethernet adapters, which will offer bonded 20Gb/s channels to 2 different Cisco Nexus switches http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps9441/ps9402/ps9512/Data_Sheet_C78-437757.html . Each system will also include the 4 slot Nvidia Quadro Digital Video Pipeline system (psychotically expensive by itself) (Includes an SDI in card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_capture_us.html, SDI out card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_output_us.html and a 6GB Quadro 6000 http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-6000-us.html which will be connected to 2 30" displays for the actual work, as well as a Barco Galaxy 4k-12 projector (even more psychotically expensive) which will be attached to just one of the systems via SDI and SDi to DVI processor http://www.barco.com/en/products-so...12000-lumens-4k-three-chip-dlp-projector.aspx for final display and group collaboration of edits. God I wish I had the kind of money these guys do!
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collegeboy69us said:
I'd love to know the final bill for the hardware, even ballparking it. Whoever is doing this video editing must make craptons of money to spend on a setup like this. $250k? $500k? I'm really curious.
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The package, not including the Barco which we don't have final pricing on pending the clients final lens choices is $159,799 and also not including the Nexus switch card which they already have installed. Not included also is a Spectralogic T series 360TB LTO5 library which will consolidate this new purchase backup needs as well as replace an existing backup infrastructure. It is also easily LTO-6 upgradable to 720TB when the drives ship.
 
mwroobel said:
I'll try and get some pics when we do the setup. Each of the 4 systems is an HP ML350p Gen8 http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-241434-241646-241477-5177961.html?dnr=1 with 2 Xeon E5-2650 processors and 192GB of RAM. The included Compaq Smartarray controller will be connected to 2 Samsung 830 SSD's http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PC512D/AM in RAID1. There will be 16 of the 1TB Vraptors http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=20 installed and connected with a custom cable/caddie set to the Vraptors in RAID0 which will be connected to an Areca 1882-16 http://areca.us/products/1882.htm with a BBU. Also installed in each of the servers will be 2 HP NC523SFP http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/networking/nc523sfp/index.html Dual port 10Gb ethernet adapters, which will offer bonded 20Gb/s channels to 2 different Cisco Nexus switches http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps9441/ps9402/ps9512/Data_Sheet_C78-437757.html . Each system will also include the 4 slot Nvidia Quadro Digital Video Pipeline system (psychotically expensive by itself) (Includes an SDI in card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_capture_us.html, SDI out card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_output_us.html and a 6GB Quadro 6000 http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-6000-us.html which will be connected to 2 30" displays for the actual work, as well as a Barco Galaxy 4k-12 projector (even more psychotically expensive) which will be attached to just one of the systems via SDI and SDi to DVI processor http://www.barco.com/en/products-so...12000-lumens-4k-three-chip-dlp-projector.aspx for final display and group collaboration of edits. God I wish I had the kind of money these guys do!
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Out of curiosity, why opt for the Nexus 7000? The Nexus 5000 is better for everyone except telcos. It has more switching fabric, less latency (per port on the same blade) and is significantly cheaper.
 
collegeboy69us said:
I'd love to know the final bill for the hardware, even ballparking it. Whoever is doing this video editing must make craptons of money to spend on a setup like this. $250k? $500k? I'm really curious.
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Time = Money. Nothing is more soul crushing and productivity killing (in any field) than waiting for something and worse yet, waiting for it to be done.

For example, when I am simulating my VHDL code...if the sim time takes longer than 60 seconds, I'm going ot mulitask over to something else. This means my mind switches modes (it takes time there)..and then I need to switch back (it takes time there). There is also the time lost because you waited to switch back longer than the sim time was. When you total that up to a period of days...the time becomes appreciable. Overweeks...it is a "oh shit". There is a reason why my sim machine is a monster from hell. Debug time goes from weeks to a day now...nothing beats that. Every field which really uses a computer for computationally intensive work is punished by machine performance more than the person operating it.
 
dexvx said:
Out of curiosity, why opt for the Nexus 7000? The Nexus 5000 is better for everyone except telcos. It has more switching fabric, less latency (per port on the same blade) and is significantly cheaper.
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They already had the switch infrastructure in place prior to my involvement. In any case, they went with the 7000's because they were consolidating Catalyst 6500's among other considerations.
 
mwroobel said:
EnderW said:
anyone seen this drive available for purchase?
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To my knowledge no one has them in stock yet. We have a delivery estimate of may 18th right now.
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It's claimed to be in stock here for under $300.
http://www.excaliberpc.com/615962/western-digital-velociraptor-wd1000dhtz-1tb.html#TabSpecification

I'm going to wait for Newegg or Amazon itself to sell them, since I was planning to wait a month to buy one anyway. Not to mention that ExcaliberPC seems to only have a 14 day replacement/return window.
 
Abby Normal said:
It's claimed to be in stock here for under $300.
http://www.excaliberpc.com/615962/western-digital-velociraptor-wd1000dhtz-1tb.html#TabSpecification

Well, since no one else on the planet seems to really have it, including much larger sellers than this one I would take their claim of stock with a grain of salt. The one or two that claim to have it on amazon say "oh, we must have made a mistake) on their in-stock numbers, but in any case, no one has the quantities needed.
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mwroobel said:
I'll try and get some pics when we do the setup. Each of the 4 systems is an HP ML350p Gen8 http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15351-15351-241434-241646-241477-5177961.html?dnr=1 with 2 Xeon E5-2650 processors and 192GB of RAM. The included Compaq Smartarray controller will be connected to 2 Samsung 830 SSD's http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PC512D/AM in RAID1. There will be 16 of the 1TB Vraptors http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=20 installed and connected with a custom cable/caddie set to the Vraptors in RAID0 which will be connected to an Areca 1882-16 http://areca.us/products/1882.htm with a BBU. Also installed in each of the servers will be 2 HP NC523SFP http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/networking/nc523sfp/index.html Dual port 10Gb ethernet adapters, which will offer bonded 20Gb/s channels to 2 different Cisco Nexus switches http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps9441/ps9402/ps9512/Data_Sheet_C78-437757.html . Each system will also include the 4 slot Nvidia Quadro Digital Video Pipeline system (psychotically expensive by itself) (Includes an SDI in card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_capture_us.html, SDI out card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_output_us.html and a 6GB Quadro 6000 http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-6000-us.html which will be connected to 2 30" displays for the actual work, as well as a Barco Galaxy 4k-12 projector (even more psychotically expensive) which will be attached to just one of the systems via SDI and SDi to DVI processor http://www.barco.com/en/products-so...12000-lumens-4k-three-chip-dlp-projector.aspx for final display and group collaboration of edits. God I wish I had the kind of money these guys do!
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someone needs to get familiar with url code
 
modern raid cards all have ssd caching solutions that accept writes and reads. using an LSI 9265 + cachecade and normal 7200 2tb or 1tb drives would have saved a lot of money and had very similar (probably better) performance.
 
gjs278 said:
modern raid cards all have ssd caching solutions that accept writes and reads. using an LSI 9265 + cachecade and normal 7200 2tb or 1tb drives would have saved a lot of money and had very similar (probably better) performance.
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With all due respect, that is simply not the case. They are working on 6-12TB workloads at a time, sizes that would obviate any benefit of a cache drive. Also, their workflows are almost entirely extremely large sequential files, which also don't maximize the benefit of SSD caching. The 192GB of RAM is doing more than anything else as a benefit. Also, they have extremely write-heavy workflows of 2-4TB a day per system, which over an expected 3 year depreciation (fiscal lifetime) is much more suited to extremely fast HDDs than the write endurance of the SSD's would be (for the work drive, not the system drive which is already SSD).
 
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