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13th Gen problem...

leSLIe

leSLIe

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I have a Core i9 13900K, 13th Gen, (watercooled) with this Gigabyte Mobo Z790 (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z790-GAMING-X-AX-rev-1x), for about a year. It's stock, never overclocked. But recently with all this Gen 13th and 14th Intel fiasco, I updated the mobo Bios with the lastest one (F11, released Sep 27, 2024) and since then I get random resets, in desktop environment, doing office work or browsing the web, both in Linux and Windows, but never while playing a 3D game, only on 2D environment of office of web browsing.

Before the BIOS problem, I never had an issue or random resets with this CPU. Definitively something due to the new BIOS, the thing what would you recommend? Install the old BIOS and take my chances with bad high voltages, courtesy of Intel? or try to adjust the cpu voltages? If its the latter, could you point me in the right direction?

Thanks
 
leSLIe said:
I have a Core i9 13900K, 13th Gen, (watercooled) with this Gigabyte Mobo Z790 (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z790-GAMING-X-AX-rev-1x), for about a year. It's stock, never overclocked. But recently with all this Gen 13th and 14th Intel fiasco, I updated the mobo Bios with the lastest one (F11, released Sep 27, 2024) and since then I get random resets, in desktop environment, doing office work or browsing the web, both in Linux and Windows, but never while playing a 3D game, only on 2D environment of office of web browsing.

Before the BIOS problem, I never had an issue or random resets with this CPU. Definitively something due to the new BIOS, the thing what would you recommend? Install the old BIOS and take my chances with bad high voltages, courtesy of Intel? or try to adjust the cpu voltages? If its the latter, could you point me in the right direction?

Thanks
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Have you tried resetting the CMOS? At work we had some computers which ran warmer after the BIOS/Microcode 012B udpate. But that was mostly alleviated by resetting the CMOS.
 
I would recommend checking memory settings and do full stability testing like if you overclocked. Might just as well check overclocking options - it is possible on these CPUs to get better multicore performance with lower power consumption and avoid over-voltage nonsense.

Myself I haven't updated microcode but I run my CPU at 5.4GHz at 1.23V
 
I see a lot of CPU issues with intel lately. Definitely makes me want to just keep my I5 12th Gen CPU and not upgrade.
 
leSLIe said:
I have a Core i9 13900K, 13th Gen, (watercooled) with this Gigabyte Mobo Z790 (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z790-GAMING-X-AX-rev-1x), for about a year. It's stock, never overclocked. But recently with all this Gen 13th and 14th Intel fiasco, I updated the mobo Bios with the lastest one (F11, released Sep 27, 2024) and since then I get random resets, in desktop environment, doing office work or browsing the web, both in Linux and Windows, but never while playing a 3D game, only on 2D environment of office of web browsing.

Before the BIOS problem, I never had an issue or random resets with this CPU. Definitively something due to the new BIOS, the thing what would you recommend? Install the old BIOS and take my chances with bad high voltages, courtesy of Intel? or try to adjust the cpu voltages? If its the latter, could you point me in the right direction?

Thanks
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Crashing happening in light load scenarios is a possible indicator of the chip being degraded already because the culprit is the 1/2 core high boost clocks. The new microcode heavily limits the VID request table and it may not have enough voltage for the high single core boosting. If I were you, I would pop in the BIOS and set the all-core turbo ratio to 52X and see if you regain stability as it takes like 15 seconds.

This is also why people like XoR_ have no issue, same as myself. My 13700K is a launch day chip and its been sitting at 5.4ghz all-core OC with a 1.250V VID limit since I bought it.
 
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This is a highly reported problem. The “fix” is to disable C-states C8 and C10. That will stop the crashes
 
leSLIe said:
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It's under Advanced CPU settings in the BIOS. Leave everything else alone and just disable C8 and C10. This is turning off two power processor modes for idle processor usage. The other option would be to downgrade back to F10. All we can do is report this problem to Gigabyte and wait for them to fix it.

C-States Control
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)
Enables or disables Intel® CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) function, a CPU power-saving function in system halt state.
When enabled, the CPU core frequency and voltage will be reduced during system halt state to decrease
power consumption. Auto lets the BIOS automatically configure this setting. This item is configurable only
when C-States Control is set to Enabled.

C6/C7 State Support
Allows you to determine whether to let the CPU enter C6/C7 mode in system halt state. When enabled, the
CPU core frequency and voltage will be reduced during system halt state to decrease power consumption.
The C6/C7 state is a more enhanced power-saving state than C3. Auto lets the BIOS automatically configure
this setting. This item is configurable only when C-States Control is set to Enabled.

C8 State Support
Allows you to determine whether to let the CPU enter C8 mode in system halt state. When enabled, the CPU
core frequency and voltage will be reduced during system halt state to decrease power consumption. The
C8 state is a more enhanced power-saving state than C6/C7. Auto lets the BIOS automatically configure
this setting. This item is configurable only when C-States Control is set to Enabled.

C10 State Support
Allows you to determine whether to let the CPU enter C10 mode in system halt state. When enabled, the
CPU core frequency and voltage will be reduced during system halt state to decrease power consumption.
The C10 state is a more enhanced power-saving state than C8. Auto lets the BIOS automatically configure
this setting. This item is configurable only when C-States Control is set to Enabled.

Package C State limit
Allows you to specify the C-state limit for the processor. Auto lets the BIOS automatically configure this
setting. This item is configurable only when C-States Control is set to Enabled
 
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I experienced the same and said Fug it. I turned my mob loose for better or worse and never looked back. This chip is purring along hitting 5.5 @ 1.305 when needed. No crashing at all. I am going to let fly for as long as she will hold and if it dies, so be it. So far so good.
 
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