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Discussion in 'nVidia Flavor' started by Kwaz, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. Kwaz

    Kwaz Whine & Cheezy

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    I have a sneaking feeling that a 1070 Ti is going to be released when AMD launched Vega. It makes no sense that they didn't allow the 1070 to have better ram and such things like the 1060 and 1080 now get. I think once Vega drops Nvidia will launch a 1070 Ti prior to Volta to give AMD one more good whack.

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  2. Chaos Machine

    Chaos Machine Limp Gawd

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    Doubt it, I think it's going to muddy the water with the 1080, I'd expect that to get a price cut, if anything.
     
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  4. Merc1138

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    Why? The 1070 as it is sits between the 1060 and 1080, making a "1070ti" would just create a smaller gap between the 1080 and the card that happens to be the next step down. Having it perform as well as a 1080 wouldn't make any sense, and unless there's a massive price drop you'd just have another segment with a card that underperforms without much of a price difference to the next step up. This isn't like the 1080 and titan xp where there was a $600 difference between the cards, we're talking about price gaps that with a 1070ti would be in the $100 or less range. There's just no point.
     
  5. noko

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    1070 - $349
    1070Ti - $399 (allows AIBs to use DDR5x ram if they want). This could happen if Nvidia allows it to happen and I think it would sell more cards, I don't think the performance difference would be that great - maybe 5%
    1080 - $499
    1080Ti - $699
     
  6. Merc1138

    Merc1138 [H]ard|Gawd

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    Yes, exactly as I said you would create a situation where it's only a $50 price difference between the 1070ti and the next step down, which means there's no reason for the 1070 to exist at that point.

    If you price the 1070ti higher, then buyers might as well just be buying a 1080 instead. Because there isn't a gap of $600+ between models in the segment you're talking about, you're just cluttering shelves with SKUs for no reason.

    If vega is all it's cracked up to be and actually competes with the 1080 in single card performance, it would make more sense to just drop the price of the 1080, whioch may very well happen anyway since we still don't have a date for vega and if AMD takes long enough vega will be competing with nvidia's volta platform instead of pascal.
     
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  7. thebirdybird

    thebirdybird n00bie

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    No. There's a reason an x70 Ti card has never been made and its not going to start with pascal or with volta in the future.
     
  8. Syphon Filter

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    I take your point but Vega is "just around the corner" - it should be here by summer. Volta isn't slated for late '17 early '18 last I heard.
     
  9. Chaos Machine

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    You have to understand economies of scale too, the sku you are talking about isn't going to create a new market, it's going to cannibalize sales from the lower and higher end card.
     
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  10. Kwaz

    Kwaz Whine & Cheezy

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    I'm thinking that they will get rid of the standard 770 and go Ti.

    It just doesn't make sense to up the performance of the 1060 and 1080 and leave the 1070 alone.

    With that side all of this different memory is going to become so confusing. When are these new improved 1060 and 1080's supposed to come out anyways?
     
  11. Merc1138

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    Sure it makes sense. As it is, the price of the regular 1080 is dropping(MSRP is), and it's not like the 1060 is right behind the 1070 in terms of performance, in fact there's quite a large gap between the existing 1060 and 1070, so much so that even a minor improvement(which is all it seems to be) will likely still not bring it within range of making sense.

    Getting rid of the 1070 to just make a ti since the 70ti sales would cannibalize it would have to happen, but then you've got a problem of a small margin increase for a large investment from nvidia and AIB vendors in terms of getting a SKU to shelves. We're talking dozens of dollars here for something that would likely not be competing with mid range cards in the next cycle like a 80ti would, and where the 80ti sits you've got hundreds of dollars in margin difference between the cards to make up for the lower sales volume due to the increased cost(there may be an initial rush with limited production, but the general masses are not going to be running out to spend $700 on a videocard and never have).
     
  12. Merc1138

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    This is true, but nvidia has also recently been quoted as not caring what AMD has in the pipeline for videocards(internally they certainly will to an extent), but that's a lot of money to ramp up for a reactionary SKU that is only a minor price difference with low margin.
     
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  13. noko

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    I would think it will be just a sku that an AIB has an option to use. Just a variation using DDR 5x ram. Not saying it is a good thing or will happen. Just another way of differentiating in a rather competitive market. As for investment I would think it would be zero for Nvidia or very little.
     
  14. Merc1138

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    And such a variation would require a different SKU. It's not that such a change would require millions in R&D, it's than the difference in margin from the existing card sales wouldn't make sense because you'd have to price it low enough to the 1070 to cannibalize sales of that, or high enough by the MSRP of the 1080 and risk cannibalizing sales of that card instead. So you're either going with a negligible profit difference and making an existing SKU obsolete earlier than intended, or getting a decent difference in margin but cannibalizing sales of a higher end, higher margin card anyway.
     
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    The weakness Nvidia has in their lineup is nothing in between the 1060 and 1070 - A rather large hole which I hope AMD taps into to at least give folks some options. Not only in performance but price.

    Second is from the 1050 to the 3gb 1060 which is a worthless card for just under $200. AMD is doing good here. Of course AMD is just off the map altogether thus far and in a very sad state.

    The two best deals I see nvidia has is a 1070 on sell in the mid to low $300 and the 1080Ti.
     
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    True, the GTX 1060 - 1070 gap is, essentially, the gap between a stock GTX 980 and a heavily overclocked GTX 980 Ti; it's actually a pretty big difference, but I don't see NVIDIA making a "GTX 1060 Ti" to make up that difference as it's better served by slightly lowering prices on the GTX 1060 6GB and GTX 1070 lines (even possibly reducing GTX 1080 MSRP pricing to $479/449 should Vega slide in between the GTX 1080/1080 Ti).

    As for deals, there have been a few good ones on Slickdeals recently on some AIB variants of the GTX 1070/1080, with the most noticable being the 1070 for under $300 (also, a few for $310, at one point) and the mini 1080 (for mATX/mITX?) for $470. I was tempted to grab either one of them, due to my hitting RAM limitations on my current GTX 980 Ti (6GB) in Fallout 4 (running @ 4K) w/ReShade + 4K texture pack (had to turn down a number of settings). The GTX 980 Ti also isn't really enough for Deus Ex: Mankind Divided @ 4K.

    We'll see what happens when AMD tosses Vega into the ring. If it's not hot enough, I'm all in for a custom AIB GTX 1080 Ti this summer, when I build my new rig.
     
  17. Kwaz

    Kwaz Whine & Cheezy

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    Yeah, I have a heavily overclocked 980 Ti myself, but I'm running a 2k monitor at 165hz. I don't particularly have a reason to upgrade.

    I think 4k kind of kills it. As is I'd take 144-165hz ALL DAY LONG over 4k. I'm pretty happy. There aren't many games that I can't at least get 80-100 FPS in recent games. Easily 165 FPS on older and less demanding titles.