TSA to Revise Nudie Scanner Software

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The TSA will be continuing its non-invasive body scanning, but sporting brand new software that will display a generic human shape. The newly equipped scanners will reveal nothing of the body being scanned, but only show objects located on the body. The TSA had halted body scanning because of complaints of privacy issues and the retention of scanned images.

The software has undergone a six-month test, and will now be installed at the 41 airports using the scanners.
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A half-assed solution 6 months after the start of the problem.

The people no longer have power.
 
Trackr said:
A half-assed solution 6 months after the start of the problem.

The people no longer have power.
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Honestly, this is the way it should have been to begin with. From a purely usefulness standpoint the generic makes more sense. There are no distractions with the images, with there being a highlight when/if a objectionable item is found.
 
Not good enough. The scanners are useless in the first place save for making us meek sheep. They need to be removed.
 
Knight_of_BAAWA said:
Not good enough. The scanners are useless in the first place save for making us meek sheep. They need to be removed.
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I agree with you. I much prefer the GE "sniffer" ones and a conventional metal detector walk through, however the fact that this was changed is a good thing.
 
This is such a half-assed solution. SOOO we're going to let computers decide what should be part of the body and what shouldn't? Cause computers are NEVER wrong, especially when it comes to artificial intelligence...

Now the TSA workers can't even see a proper image to make judgement calls.. What's the point? It's the illusion of safety. Quite frankly, either do it all the way or not at all. Personally I do NOT believe we need the scanners, they are just exposing people to unnecessary radiation and if someone really wants to get a bomb on a plane, surely they're not stupid enough to just walk through the scanner.

The government needs to stop wasting billions of dollars on half cooked solutions. The real solution is let EVERYONE carry a gun (who is legally allowed to carry a gun that is). It's gonna be real hard to take over a plane even if you somehow sneak a M16 onto a plane if you know there's 90 or so handguns on that plane. You have to reload sometime...
 
TheWeazmeister said:
I agree with you. I much prefer the GE "sniffer" ones and a conventional metal detector walk through, however the fact that this was changed is a good thing.
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I never understood why they changed, the nude scanner doesn't detect bombs or bomb residue, hell you could have your colon packed with C4 and it wouldn't show up.

That said, they still don't get it, it doesn't matter if your face is blurred, or its a generic shape with your twig & berries on... try asking some woman if she minds someone taking a picture up her skirt... I mean you can't tell its her in any way.
 
RyanLucier said:
This is such a half-assed solution. SOOO we're going to let computers decide what should be part of the body and what shouldn't? Cause computers are NEVER wrong, especially when it comes to artificial intelligence...

Now the TSA workers can't even see a proper image to make judgement calls.. What's the point? It's the illusion of safety. Quite frankly, either do it all the way or not at all. Personally I do NOT believe we need the scanners, they are just exposing people to unnecessary radiation and if someone really wants to get a bomb on a plane, surely they're not stupid enough to just walk through the scanner.
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you would be surpised how many people hide things on their bodies. we had people mostly hide knifes and contraband on their body.

in the past 6 months(since ive been working for tsa) we have caught almost 3-4 people doing "Dry Runs", carrying some sort of component of a IED. from what i have seen 3 of them opted out and the component was discovered by a pat down and one was caught by the body scanner. that was because the initiator was strapped to his stomach from what i was told, and it showed up clear as day lmao.
but supposedly now the terrorists are implanting the bombs internally so now the scanner are useless. i wouldn't be surprised if we got a scanner that checked the insides of people lmao

but in my mind, i have not really been a fan of it. the only people that love the machine are the hundreds of people that some sort of implant(knees, hips , etc) some of these people have been getting pat downs for almost 2 decades and with the machines they avoid it.

i cant wait to see how the computer will determine whats a threat and whats not lol. Remember you get only 3 anomalies to avoid a pat down and 4 or more is a patdown.

all i can see happening now is a increase in patdowns <.< fml
 
RyanLucier said:

The government needs to stop wasting billions of dollars on half cooked solutions. The real solution is let EVERYONE carry a gun (who is legally allowed to carry a gun that is). It's gonna be real hard to take over a plane even if you somehow sneak a M16 onto a plane if you know there's 90 or so handguns on that plane. You have to reload sometime...
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I'm not sure that would be a good idea in a presurized cabin :p
 
I have never been though one of those and never will. I always opt out and take the pat down. I love to see there shocked faces anyway lol
 
In before people bitch about them anyhow...oh wait..too late.

In before someone insists that technology that has been proven ineffective at discovering modern threats is just fine....oh wait too late for that as well.

In before someone makes the claim that any security measure makes you a sheep...damn too late for that already as well.

Welp, I've got nothing.
 
not even you manhood...

Anyway, been pointless from the beginning.
 
I wonder if this is the same software I saw around 7 years ago, where it just shows the outline of a person, and highlights areas where the machine detects something that is not part of a person.
 
I predict that this will make no one happy, despite solving all of their privacy concerns, and people will still volunteer for the pat down line so that they can complain about being sexually molested afterward.
 
RyanLucier said:

The government needs to stop wasting billions of dollars on half cooked solutions. The real solution is let EVERYONE carry a gun (who is legally allowed to carry a gun that is). It's gonna be real hard to take over a plane even if you somehow sneak a M16 onto a plane if you know there's 90 or so handguns on that plane. You have to reload sometime...
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They already do allow everyone they think should "legaly" be allowed to carry a gun do so. The problem is that they only believe those that enforce their rule, should be allowed to carry firearms. As such they alter the law to make their belief as much of a reality as is possible.
 
Meanwhile, people keep allowing the government to flood them with directed ionizing radiation in the name of safety.
 
Oh good, now they are only going to subject people to needless radiation. Maybe the new software will extend everyone's pp and makes their breastesses bigger.

As someone who has already had two skins cancers removed before the age of <30 and is at high risk of skin cancer, you are not going to convince me that full body backscatter radiation does not increase my risk of cancer. The dose may be minimal, but it may be major when you consider it targets the skin, which is only a few millimeters thick.

What is this going to accomplish? There will always be ways to sneak a weapon on board an aircraft, if a person really wanted to.
RyanLucier said:

The government needs to stop wasting billions of dollars on half cooked solutions. The real solution is let EVERYONE carry a gun
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Agreed. Quit restricting second amendment freedoms and this problem will vanish.
 
Eisenblut said:
Meanwhile, people keep allowing the government to flood them with directed ionizing radiation in the name of safety.
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No kidding.
Privacy? What about the fact that:
Internal U.S. government documents show that the Transportation Security Administration,
under the guidance of the Department of Homeland Security Secretary,
deliberately misled the public on the health risks associated with body-scanning devices.
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http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/308754
 
Eisenblut said:
Meanwhile, people keep allowing the government to flood them with directed ionizing radiation in the name of safety.
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Terrorist plot: Dirty bomb 40+ major US airports.
Terrorist solution: Let TSA do it for them.

TSA does a better job of it too, after the initial blast, a dirty bomb would be cleaned up or quarantined, TSA gets to keep scanning flight after flight after flight.

I'm firmly in the freedom before security camp, so I like to poke fun at the TSA. But to be objective about things, you'll probably receive about as much additional radiation during the flight as you would from a scan. Not that there's any reason to double up if you don't have to.
 
A couple of $1 boxcutters, a few plane tickets, and you can set an entire nation on a trillion dollar wild goose chase without making the country much more secure.

We should change the definition of "terrorism" to "being sexually assaulted and exposed to radiation at the airport". That should change some TSA policies pretty quickly.
 
HOCP4ME said:
I predict that this will make no one happy, despite solving all of their privacy concerns, and people will still volunteer for the pat down line so that they can complain about being sexually molested afterward.
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They are still ignoring the radiation exposure from these machines.
There have been a number of scientist that have raised concern over the lack of studies concerning the effects of this type of radiation exposure.

As for me, I just stopped flying. Luckily I don’t need to fly for my job.
 
Deltek said:
in the past 6 months(since ive been working for tsa) we have caught almost 3-4 people doing "Dry Runs", carrying some sort of component of a IED.
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Just a few questions, but feel free to decide not to comment. :)

1. Were these tests or actual malicious people?

2. Were the people also exhibiting strange behavior at all? I mean, one of the actual effective purposes of TSA is just their presence and their behavioral checking, even before you step up to any machine or pair of grabby hands.

3. If these are malicious people, it sure would be nice if media made a bigger deal about it, particularly in the arena of public shaming once convictions are made.

To me, it's simply a human dignity thing, which is a key aspect of our identity in being a part of the United States.
 
Deltek said:
but in my mind, i have not really been a fan of it. the only people that love the machine are the hundreds of people that some sort of implant(knees, hips , etc) some of these people have been getting pat downs for almost 2 decades and with the machines they avoid it.
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I have screws holding my L5-S1 fusion together; so glad that now I have a clear choice in avoiding a patdown :rolleyes:
 
Here is what is moronic about TSA policies:

My wife is a hair stylist and on a recent trip to her native Texas she took them with us to give her dad a haircut while we were down there. She was able to take the nice leather pack case of razor-sharp shears on the plane as carry on because they were under 4" in blade length. She had her license to show them, just in case, but they never asked.

Yet, tweezers are somehow a big deal and a no-no, much less a box cutter.
 
LonerVamp said:
Just a few questions, but feel free to decide not to comment. :)

1. Were these tests or actual malicious people?

2. Were the people also exhibiting strange behavior at all? I mean, one of the actual effective purposes of TSA is just their presence and their behavioral checking, even before you step up to any machine or pair of grabby hands.

3. If these are malicious people, it sure would be nice if media made a bigger deal about it, particularly in the arena of public shaming once convictions are made.

To me, it's simply a human dignity thing, which is a key aspect of our identity in being a part of the United States.
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we do run tests everyday, the ones i was talking about were actual malicious people.
Police, FBI and another agency were brought in. Behavioral Detectors were called on 1 of the suspects.


back when i started (January 2011) there was another suspect who Alarmed on every machine we had, he received patdowns and all his bags were checked but nothing was found. police were called in and from what i heard he was escorted to his destination with a FBI agent where he would be taken for more questioning before he was released.


IMO The media only shows news that will get high publicity, so reporting information about TSA identifying threats would not bring good ratings :p
 
Ive been flying since I was 4 and not once did I get a pat down. I just had the common sense to get rid of all metal objects on me.

Now a question before I say more, are these scans done on everyone who walks through the scanner or just if you have to go in the back room?
 
well the way my airport does it is, if its its empty we send the next person through and 1 person on the mat to go next while everyone goes through the metal detector.

most passengers still don't understand the difference between the Metal Detector and the Body Scanner, and some cant even tell which is which. People come to the metal detector and say they want to "Opt out", so far the only people that never go through a metal detector are passengers with pacemakers


i have had some people walk into the metal detector and do the body scanner pose :p
 
RyanLucier said:

The government needs to stop wasting billions of dollars on half cooked solutions. The real solution is let EVERYONE carry a gun (who is legally allowed to carry a gun that is). It's gonna be real hard to take over a plane even if you somehow sneak a M16 onto a plane if you know there's 90 or so handguns on that plane. You have to reload sometime...
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Yeah, can't wait for some careless fool to go in there with his handgun on, dreaming of being an awesome vigilante, and have it go off, pierce the fuselage, and royally screw the entire flight.

It's kind of amusing seeing the nation's backlash against the security measures they demanded by whipping up such a giant fearstorm over 'terrorism'. :cool:
 
It's a whole other argument and politically/emotionally charged topic, but saying everyone should carry a handgun won't make things better.

One thing to think about with guns, is that they are *not* "situation diffusers." You don't diffuse a situation by pulling out your gun. Guns are a "situation escalator." Once you pull out a gun, life is being directly threatened, and you have to expect that whomever you are opposite will react in an equal means, whether they have a gun or not. To the lesser-minded, it might seem like you can pull a gun and the situation is fixed, but that's only because the person(s) opposite you either can't match that or choose to not escalate along with you.

Give everyone a gun, and you'll see them waved far more often, if you ask me. :p
 
LonerVamp said:
Give everyone a gun, and you'll see them waved far more often, if you ask me. :p
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Only until a few people are made example of. If you wave your gun around in a place where every one else also carries a gun, and you will likely be shot dead b4 too long. Others will catch the hint that brandishing a firearm can not only land you in prison, but get you dead as well.

Otherwise I agree with you. 9/11 happened because of apathy, not the lack of a firearm. I wounder what would have happened had the every one took the example of what we believe occurred on the PA flight on 9/11. Had a few people stood up and said "no you will not have your way" on those other three flights. The ending would have been very different. The towers would still be standing, the planes may have still crashed as the PA one did, but then again they might not have, we may have even avoided a decade of war. The loss of life would have still been less. We will never know because nobody stood up. I doubt a gun would have change that myself. A gun is useless if nobody stands up, pulls it out, and stick slugs in the evildoers.
 
Deltek said:
we do run tests everyday, the ones i was talking about were actual malicious people.
Police, FBI and another agency were brought in. Behavioral Detectors were called on 1 of the suspects.


back when i started (January 2011) there was another suspect who Alarmed on every machine we had, he received patdowns and all his bags were checked but nothing was found. police were called in and from what i heard he was escorted to his destination with a FBI agent where he would be taken for more questioning before he was released.


IMO The media only shows news that will get high publicity, so reporting information about TSA identifying threats would not bring good ratings :p
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Exactly. There isn't a lot of money in "Police did their job, no one was harmed" news.
 
This is all bull shit flying isnt a right its something you can choose to do so either get a damn car and drive or shut up when were just being protected. You all want another 9/11? Nice to know a few years later everyone is all mad.
 
Aus10 said:
This is all bull shit flying isnt a right its something you can choose to do so either get a damn car and drive or shut up when were just being protected. You all want another 9/11? Nice to know a few years later everyone is all mad.
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lol...prevent another 9/11.

So a bomb stuffed in your colon is not detected by the back scatter machines (which btw, resulted in lucrative contracts in the hundreds of millions) nor is it found by the TSA groping. What would then be the effectiveness of these two implementations versus the common metal detector? But then again, we have nothing to hide, so let's give up our liberties.

I mean, look at the following granny and the threat she posed.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/2011_0628grannys_no_terror_threat/
You’ve heard about the 95-year-old, wheelchair-bound leukemia patient who had her adult diaper searched by the TSA. She required additional screening because her diaper had — according to media reports — something “wet” in it.
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You never know who's a terrorist who's dumb enough to go blow up planes/airports rather than malls. Or if they need to enter America, fly over to Mexico and hop on over.
 
Aus10 said:
This is all bull shit flying isnt a right its something you can choose to do so either get a damn car and drive or shut up when were just being protected. You all want another 9/11? Nice to know a few years later everyone is all mad.
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Lol I can't tell if this is serious
 
nutzo said:
They are still ignoring the radiation exposure from these machines.
There have been a number of scientist that have raised concern over the lack of studies concerning the effects of this type of radiation exposure.

As for me, I just stopped flying. Luckily I don’t need to fly for my job.
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It's been shown that the radiation exposure is negligible compared to the radiation exposure of the flight itself. This is a non-issue.

Would I like to see the scanners removed? Sure; they don't seem particularly effective. Do I really mind their presence? No. The total annoyance is having to hold my arms in the air for five seconds. If you choose to go with the far more invasive patdown over irrational imaging - err, radiation - concerns, that's your problem.

Deltek said:
most passengers still don't understand the difference between the Metal Detector and the Body Scanner, and some cant even tell which is which. People come to the metal detector and say they want to "Opt out", so far the only people that never go through a metal detector are passengers with pacemakers:p
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Hah. That's funny. :p
 
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