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My Galaxy GTX 470 GC is identified as a GTX 465

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Moratorius

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I'm usually updating the thread at overclock.net first; I posted in these two forums since I've found both forums to be rather helpful during my lurking in the past. I was just curious what people thought I should do... it seems to be a pretty big deal as the 465 is an unreleased card, but I'm not too keen on doing anything that'll void my warranty. I'll fulfill any requests for information that won't void my ability to return the card, but that's the extent of it.

Photos hosted by chatch15117, thanks!

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5/24/2010:
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Now I'm just waiting for the Galaxy rep to process a RMA (and play some Starcraft 2 on ultra while I still have the card, heh). Here are the 3DMark Vantage benchmarks for the card in 465/470 modes using the beta 257.15 drivers.

465:
gtx-465-257.15-3dmark-vantage.jpg


470:
gtx-470-257.15-3dmark-vantage.jpg


Decent gains :)

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5/22/2010:
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I've attempted to backup and compare the two bios, but it seems I'm only able to download the v70.00.21.00.03 bios (it's the attached bios I saved from GPU-Z in the very beginning of this thread, corresponding to the 470 specifications):

gtx-465-nvflash-backup.jpg


Interestingly, running pciblocks on the saved bios image right after I saved the bios (still running w/ 465 specs according to the bios screen when I had booted up) results in a gpu mismatch:

gtx-465-nvflash-pciblocks.jpg


gtx-465-hardware-id.jpg


So it seems the hardware id alternates between the 465 and 470, but both GPU-Z and nvflash can only save the 470 bios despite identifying that the bios isn't the one in use...

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5/21/2010:
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PCB Backside:
pcbback1.jpg

pcbback2.jpg

pcbback3.jpg

pcbback4.jpg


I turned on my computer this afternoon and upon booting into Windows, I was confronted with the default low resolution that accompanies unloaded drivers. Windows forced me to wait for it to download its own drivers:

gtx-465-windows-driver-update.jpg


Something caught my eye as I rebooted (my phone's camera is terrible, but convenient):

gtx-470-gc-as-465-bios.jpg


460?

After the reboot, I found that Windows had installed the 197.41 drivers. So I decided I'd check all the information programs again and run another 3dmark vantage.

gtx-470-gc-as-465.jpg


gtx-470-gc-as-465-3dmark-vantage.jpg


No real changes (though GPU-Z 0.4.3 has more information now)... so I proceeded to update my drivers again... but I was forced to downgrade back to 197.41 by Windows again (Device Manager told me it was a Code 1 error).

Again, something caught my eye as I rebooted:

gtx-470-gc-as-470-bios.jpg


470 now? My card is Jekyll & Hyde! The information programs all agreed that it was an actual 470 this time though.

gtx-470-gc-as-470.jpg


gtx-470-gc-as-470-3dmark-vantage.jpg


The 3dmark vantage score also seems to be normal for a stock 470.

I've rebooted a number of times since, and the card alternates between 465 and 470 specs. What could be causing this?

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Original Post (5/20/2010):
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My Galaxy GTX 470 GC arrived today.



I had a bit of difficulty installing the NVIDIA drivers, because the card couldn't be recognized by the installer. I had to resort to changing the PCI device id of the GTX 470 line in the NV_DISP.INF to get the drivers to install.
Code: 
%NVIDIA_DEV.06C4.01% = Section012, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_06C4
%NVIDIA_DEV.06C4.01% = Section011, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_06C4
NVIDIA_DEV.06C4.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470"

However, the card seems to be identified as a GTX 465 with matching hardware details (e.g. 1GB memory, lowered clocks).

gtx-465-197.75-stats.jpg


Is it possible that the factory mis-flashed the card with a GTX 465 bios? Or have I really received a GTX 465 in the GTX 470's cooling shroud? :confused:

Benchmarks (197.75):

gtx-465-197.75-3dmark-vantage.jpg


gtx-465-197.75-heaven-benchmark.jpg
 
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If that was a mistake it has to be one of the coolest I've ever seen. Not just getting the wrong card, but also a card that hasn't been released yet. I read somewhere that leaked pictures of the 465 board were identical to the 470 boards, just locked SPs.
 
all 465 is 470 with bios flashed to disable some SP...

I believe you have just got the one that I am saying...
 
Looks like it shows up as only having 1024 MB of RAM, too. Something is definitely wrong.
 
Bench that bloody card, extract the bios using GPU-Z, get a 470 bios, flash it on the card, and see what happens.


Interestingly, it seems 470 is going to disappear from the market...maybe this is why.

Has TSMC actually screwed this up so bad that yields are worse now, and this is what nV has been left with?


:eek:



:D
 
It would be "cool" if you didn't end up with a shittier card. RMA that thing - don't waste time messing with BIOS only to fuck yourself with a bricked, unreturnable card.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but if you do prove the card to be a pre-release card you could sell it to a publication for a nice profit. I'm sure there are a bunch of reviewers out there (and enthusiasts) who would gladly trade a 470 to get a look at an unrealeased card.

Also if it's true that a 465 is just a bios flashed 470, you (and anyone else who gets a 465 once released) could, except for the less memory, just flash to a more expensive 470 card. Would be something like a 6800 vanilla unmask to a 6800 GT.
 
I wouldn't try flashing the bios. Like Matrices said, just RMA because you have warranty on it.
 
No, don't listen to their advice. DO NOT flash your card bios as it may VOID your warranty.

Don't mess with it, just apply for an RMA. I'm sure if you send those pics, Galaxy will take it back. A 465 is a gimped 470. You don't want to pay $350 and get back a $250 card. 448 shader cores > 352 shader cores. 320 bit bus > 256 bit bus. 1280 GDDR5 > 1024 GDDR5. Need I say more?
 
Also if it's true that a 465 is just a bios flashed 470, you (and anyone else who gets a 465 once released) could, except for the less memory, just flash to a more expensive 470 card. Would be something like a 6800 vanilla unmask to a 6800 GT.
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Or the current AMD unlockable range. :)
 
Holy shit.

Your card has a 255bit memory interface and 1Gb of ram.
GTX 470 has a 320bit memory interface and 1.2Gbs of ram.

Congrats :)
I guess.
 
I'd put it on ebay for $700 buy it now.. if no one buys it rma it, Im pretty sure this info will be all over the net by later today.
 
Post a pic of the etched gpu heat spreader please.

Also, run the Heaven benchmark. See if you get a similar score to this:

nvidia460.jpg
 
DeadSkull said:
Holy shit.

Your card has a 255bit memory interface and 1Gb of ram.
GTX 470 has a 320bit memory interface and 1.2Gbs of ram.

Congrats :)
I guess.
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Just noticed that too. Looks like he definitely has an unreleased card. Ebay that sucker or sell it to Kyle :)
 
I would ebay it man. It may be weaker than a GTX 470 but you are most likely the only person that isn't linked to a tech site that owns one. It will sell for big money as someone with a e-peen will want it for bragging rights. You'll get more than enough to get yourself a 480GTX or two 470 GTX's, As others have already mentioned, bench it first.
 
Ditto to the bench, then ebay suggestion. Someone will pay at least $500 for it I'm sure.
 
Snowdog said:
Likely Kyle has one and is under an NDA, this wouldn't change anything.
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True, and [H] may already have one on the test bench anways.

Still... someone would likely pay good money for this card.
 
harmattan said:
True, and [H] may already have one on the test bench anways.

Still... someone would likely pay good money for this card.
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You might get some interest from those who can't even get in the NDA programs like Fudzilla.
 
Dude, just return the damn thing before you get stuck with it. Return it whoever you purchased it from and tell them why. Don't waste you're time with this.
 
Yeah, just return it, the GTX465 are coming out in about a week and a half anyways, not worth even ebaying.
 
it looks like nvidia screws up once again and lol at those suggestion to ebay for 700, for a unleased new gen flagship maybe, but for a crap that no one cares about? you gotta be kidding.

dont waste your time and just RMA it.
 
Moratorius said:
Update: I'll be keeping the thread over at overclock.net updated; I posted in these two forums since I've found both forums to be rather helpful during my lurking in the past. I was just curious what people thought I should do... it seems to be a pretty big deal as the 465 is an unreleased card, but I'm not too keen on doing anything that'll void my warranty. I'll fulfill any requests for information that won't void my ability to return the card, but that's the extent of it.

My Galaxy GTX 470 GC arrived today.

galaxy-gtx-470-gc.jpg


I had a bit of difficulty installing the NVIDIA drivers, because the card couldn't be recognized by the installer. I had to resort to changing the PCI device id of the GTX 470 line in the NV_DISP.INF to get the drivers to install.
Code: 
%NVIDIA_DEV.06C4.01% = Section012, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_06C4
%NVIDIA_DEV.06C4.01% = Section011, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_06C4
NVIDIA_DEV.06C4.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470"

However, the card seems to be identified as a GTX 465 with matching hardware details (e.g. 1GB memory, lowered clocks).

gtx-465-stats.jpg


Is it possible that the factory mis-flashed the card with a GTX 465 bios? Or have I really received a GTX 465 in the GTX 470's cooling shroud? :confused:
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I can't say what the issue is or what happened until we get a look at the card. I can issue a call tag to get the unit picked up and get a new unit out ASAP if you choose. Just reply to my PM and we'll get you taken care of.
 
Galaxy said:
I can't say what the issue is or what happened until we get a look at the card. I can issue a call tag to get the unit picked up and get a new unit out ASAP if you choose. Just reply to my PM and we'll get you taken care of.
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I assume you'll be upgrading him to a 480 for his troubles, right?
 
Dang that's an Oops if true!

..... Might mean there will be plenty of stock when that card comes out if one of em accidentally got shipped out tho!
 
vengence said:
Entitlement? It's called good will. He paid for a 470 and got a 465 disguised as a 470. They should be bending over backwards to make sure this guy is satisfied.
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Bending over backwards? Galaxy isn't running an ass factory. Guy bought a GTX 470, he should get a GTX 470 and an apology. That's business. Not some apologist guilt trip bullshit.
 
"ass factory", lol

I see it both ways. Galaxy should now convert half their manufacturing to make asses. They should take the card and give him a 470 while bending halfway over backwards.


... And give him one of those asses.
 
This is probably as good as getting a DOA card, rightfully he should return it and get a GTX 470, as we all would when we get a DOA card

I don't see why he deserve something more expensive.

Its just like paying for a working card, and get one that is malfunctioning. Do we go on demanding for a more expensive card because we did not get what we paid for?
 
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