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No More Windows XP Preloads

CommanderFrank

CommanderFrank

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Signaling the end of an era, Microsoft will no longer allow XP to be installed on new netbook computers. This will effectively remove Windows XP from the market after a nine year run.


XP preloads are done, but XP downgrades are not, by the way. Best any of us Microsoft watchers can tell, it looks like XP downgrades will be allowed up until 2015.
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Users clinging to XP + Console gaming is the reason why PC gaming has been terrible lately.
 
XP has absolutely nothing to do with the reason why PC gaming has been terrible.
 
XP will continue to be used in the corporate environment for a few more years.
This has NOTHING to do with gaming.
 
which is why I treat my xp pro disk like gold.

xp is a perfect netbook/notebook operating system.
 
stealthy123 said:
which is why I treat my xp pro disk like gold.

xp is a perfect netbook/notebook operating system.
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Obviously you have never used/owned a netbook with Win 7 on it.

I have 2 netbooks, one running Win 7 Premium and one running Win 7 Professional.

The first is an ASUS eee900. I did upgrade the RAM to 2GB, but even with it's pitiful Celeron 900 CPU ( which is under the MS recommended spec), it runs Win 7 better and faster than it did with the original XP install. And yes, I upgraded the RAM before I did the OS change so it was and Apples-Apples comparison.

The second is an Acer Aspire One that came with Win 7 Starter. Again, I just upgraded the RAM to 2GB, and then installed Win 7 Professional on it. I also installed Virtual XP on it as well so that the wife can use an old genealogy program that she refuses to give up.

Anyone that thinks XP is the perfect OS for anything should not only turn in their [H] card, they should have their Geek Card stripped from them as well.
 
PersonalJ said:
Having to make games run on DirectX 9.0C and not simply DirectX10+ has no influence on developers?
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Sorry if you can't upgrade the graphics chip on your console to the latest and greatest; however if you were to, it be that much more of a headache since the hardware would no longer be common.
 
Die XP Die! It makes me happy to look at the steam survey to see that Windows 7 64 bit has finally surpassed Windows xp 32 bit
 
RAF_OldBuzzard said:
Obviously you have never used/owned a netbook with Win 7 on it.

I have 2 netbooks, one running Win 7 Premium and one running Win 7 Professional.

The first is an ASUS eee900. I did upgrade the RAM to 2GB, but even with it's pitiful Celeron 900 CPU ( which is under the MS recommended spec), it runs Win 7 better and faster than it did with the original XP install. And yes, I upgraded the RAM before I did the OS change so it was and Apples-Apples comparison.

The second is an Acer Aspire One that came with Win 7 Starter. Again, I just upgraded the RAM to 2GB, and then installed Win 7 Professional on it. I also installed Virtual XP on it as well so that the wife can use an old genealogy program that she refuses to give up.

Anyone that thinks XP is the perfect OS for anything should not only turn in their [H] card, they should have their Geek Card stripped from them as well.
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win 7 takes up too much hard drive space to run it on a 32gb SSD.

apparently you have far more space than I do on your hard drives. I don't own big ass hard drives in my laptops. xp serves my purpose very well.

xp uses less resources, needs less in terms of hardware, and installs in about 20 minutes or so, its compatible with every single thing I need it to be, and there is 10 years of user experiences to lean on when I have a problem I can't figure out.

I couldn't disagree with you more.
 
They are bound and determined to give Ubuntu some kind of foot hold not matter what. People are not giving in up because a simply fact, it still does what they need. Why this is hard for MS (or H users for that matter) to grasp is hard for ME to grasp. If it isn't broken don't fix it. All this does is give the Linux crowd another small shot at a small market segment. Good enough is sometimes just fine.
 
I still dual boot XP for games that don't play nice in Win7. Till they get properly patched to run under Win7, I'm keeping it this way. Yes I know some games have workarounds (e.g. Starcraft 1) but I am not going to do a happy voodoo dance everytime I want to fire up a fucking game I still enjoy playing just because the developers won't patch it for 7. (and before you ask, yes, I've tried the dedicated XP Mode.)

On the upside, my XP side is pretty bare minus the essentials plus games.
 
Lol at the XP haters. Businesses determines what OS will be dominant, not gamers.
 
SamuraiInBlack said:
... (e.g. Starcraft 1) but I am not going to do a happy voodoo dance everytime I want to fire up a fucking game I still enjoy playing just because the developers won't patch it for 7. (and before you ask, yes, I've tried the dedicated XP Mode.)

On the upside, my XP side is pretty bare minus the essentials plus games.
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not sure where you got your starcraft installer from, but the one off battle.net required no voodoo dancing (or compatibility mode for that matter) to get working. In fact I just tried running it off an old hard drive (old windows 7 installation, didnt reformat it) and it worked perfectly.
 
Bleh, netbooks. I can't wait for the day I stop getting business laptops preloaded with XP with a 7 DVD in the box. Wastes a couple hours of my time per laptops.
 
Hhaha. At work we still have over two thousand P4s with 128-256mb ram. It will take probably 4-5 years before they are all replaced. So XP still has many years of use for us.

We rotate out PC's on the 10year or as budget allows schedule. BTW this is a state gov job. So dont laugh to much or your taxes may get bumped so we can have new PCs at work :)
 
MrValentine said:
Hhaha. At work we still have over two thousand P4s with 128-256mb ram. It will take probably 4-5 years before they are all replaced. So XP still has many years of use for us.

We rotate out PC's on the 10year or as budget allows schedule. BTW this is a state gov job. So dont laugh to much or your taxes may get bumped so we can have new PCs at work :)
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this. XP will live on for a long time regardless of MS time line.
 
Valset said:
They are bound and determined to give Ubuntu some kind of foot hold not matter what. People are not giving in up because a simply fact, it still does what they need. Why this is hard for MS (or H users for that matter) to grasp is hard for ME to grasp. If it isn't broken don't fix it. All this does is give the Linux crowd another small shot at a small market segment. Good enough is sometimes just fine.
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Quite so. As pointed out above, most corporate needs are served by XP. And served perfectly fine. It's not so much corporate inertia as it is having to shell out money to ensure compatibility of the software they're using.

Almost all of the corporate customers the small computer company I work for use XP exclusively, though our largest is going toward 7 Pro 64 for their engineering department. And at least all of our corporate customers are able to use IE7 or IE8, rather than having craptacular internal apps which require IE6.
 
XP SP2 has something like an order of magnitude more infections than Vista or Windows 7 according to MS security intelligence report (XP SP3 is slightly better, but still). So yea, "XP, it does everything" including serve viagra emails to everyone on the internet, and borrow your credit card #s...

And it's not because Vista and 7 are newer, it's because they added superior security technology like DEP, mandatory access controls, standard user by default.

Not to mention superior x64 support, DX11, things like direct2d and directwrite, superior use of modern hardware with better multi-core/ssd support and many other things I'm not going to get into right now.
Yea yea, a bunch of PoS systems somewhere don't need that stuff, but in general XP can't die fast enough.
 
Valset said:
They are bound and determined to give Ubuntu some kind of foot hold not matter what. People are not giving in up because a simply fact, it still does what they need. Why this is hard for MS (or H users for that matter) to grasp is hard for ME to grasp. If it isn't broken don't fix it. All this does is give the Linux crowd another small shot at a small market segment. Good enough is sometimes just fine.
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Hahaha. The corporations are the biggest hold ups. They are not going to switch over to another OS. That would require training their employees on its use and since a lot of corporations use IE6 related programs that would need to be created for Ubuntu. Might as well just make it for Windows 7 or whatever OS is out by that time. As for home users they would replace it with a prebuilt that will be Windows or MacOS. It is possible that Android or google based linux build will be on it but not ubuntu, but most of those will dual booted
 
let xp die already...

indeed, unless you run a p3 500 with 256mb ram even a low end computer runs smoother with win7 compared to xp. also, not working with admin rights by default is great in win7 plus the uac (which i turned up all the way, it doesn't bother me) etc. xp is just ancient and the mere thought of running a core i7 @ 4.5 ghz with a nine year old operating system gives me nightmares.
 
anthrex said:
Hahaha. The corporations are the biggest hold ups. They are not going to switch over to another OS. That would require training their employees on its use and since a lot of corporations use IE6 related programs that would need to be created for Ubuntu. Might as well just make it for Windows 7 or whatever OS is out by that time. As for home users they would replace it with a prebuilt that will be Windows or MacOS. It is possible that Android or google based linux build will be on it but not ubuntu, but most of those will dual booted
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I was actually referring to the low end net book market. that is the market that. that is the market MS is giving up here. back to the theme that good enough is just fine sometimes.

As for the business world I don't see widespread adoption of Linux, here and there maybe. The fact is that for a LOT of companies it will be cheaper to get third party support for XP then to upgrade. Like brought up several times Business decides when to retire an OS. They are not going to throw away billions of dollars of investment until necessary, read there is a real financial reason to do it. This does not include a bunch of IT guys whining about how out of date something is. The truth is that XP does just about everything 95% of business need. Again good enough is just fine here.

Then again if MS gets stupid here Linux may become a lot more popular. If some of these corporations realize that MS can force them to let go of an investment this size before they are ready Linux is going to look a lot better to them as it will be far cheaper in more ways then one. MS should probably let this sleeping dog lay.
 
It's funny that my cousin was having trouble in his auto shop. The problem was that none of his computers were running Windows XP. His brand new SnapOn scanner needs to be updated, and can only be updated through Windows XP, as the software itself immediately has Vista give us a message that the application is no longer working. BTW, Windows 7 fared no better either.

In the end, we ended up installing Windows XP with VirtualBox. We may even dual boot Vista with XP. Whatever reason, a lot of companies still don't have compatible software with Vista or Windows 7. BTW, that's not the only scanner that needs an update and requires Windows XP. It's just that, this tool was brand new.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Whoever developed the software for that tool is incompetent. There's not much Microsoft can do about that.
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actually I have a friend that works in a harley davidson shop. one of their programs was probably written for windows 95. The updated version works in XP but you can tell by the GUI that was a ported dos program. The updated program simply allows for USB support for the newer dongles. this isn't at all uncommon. these are proprietary programs that were written for very specific purposes that haven't changed due to maintaining backwards compatibility (or just being cheap). It doesn't change what the business need.
 
Magnus said:
Lol at the XP haters. Businesses determines what OS will be dominant, not gamers.
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When XP was dominating the consumer market most businesses were still running 2000, 98, and below. Business determine what OS will be dominate for business. XP will still be in use in companies long after MS drops it completely. It might even still be fairly dominate in businesses when MS stops support for it.
 
for those whining about game compatability with win 7, you know, its free to get XP virtual machine right?
 
AdamNesvick said:
for those whining about game compatability with win 7, you know, its free to get XP virtual machine right?
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I have a pretty huge game collection and I can't really think of a game that I couldn't get running on Windows Vista/7.

I had to run SimEarth in a VM, but only because it's 16 bit and I'm running 64-bit 7. It runs fine on 32-bit 7. That game is something like 20 years old.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
I have a pretty huge game collection and I can't really think of a game that I couldn't get running on Windows Vista/7.

I had to run SimEarth in a VM, but only because it's 16 bit and I'm running 64-bit 7. It runs fine on 32-bit 7. That game is something like 20 years old.
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I have a couple, mostly much older games that don't like it. one of the ones recently that have plagued me was surprisingly was bejewled. not sure why but it hasn't run right once on mine.
 
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