RTX 5090 FE Molten 12VHPWR

Captain Newmackwa said:
Auto shutdown can be configured either on the device itself or by software. By the way, all settings are saved on the device so the software doesn't have to be running for it to do its thing. The auto-shutdown configuration options are comprehensive but I stick with the defaults so it would be less likely for Thermal Grizzly to deny warranty claims for melted connectors while their product is being used. Actually, that's why I chose the WireView Pro II, they've been fairly explicit and transparent about their warranty on melted connectors and how that has factored in the pricing of their product. That, and having multiple thermal sensors on the GPU connector side.

Here's the software config menu:

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Actually, I only got around to installing the F_Panel header Y-connector a few days ago after several months of using my WireView Pro II without it because I was too lazy to look for an F_Panel extension break-out cable since the connector that comes with the case is the unified type. The hardware availability and pricing situation right now convinced me not to take any further risks.

I tested the auto shutdown by temporarily setting the temp limit to 45C and then running a GPU load to artificially trigger it and auto-shutdown works great. The 10 second default shutdown wait time is okay with me so if ever something is wrong, the damage can be minimized. There are two shut down modes, soft shutdown and hard shutdown with the former doing a Windows shut down to minimize data loss/corruption.

I also recently stumbled upon a third party MSI afterburner plugin that allows me to monitor the telemetry from the Wireview in the in-game OSD. Very useful when testing DLSS5 which tends to push the graphics card wattage to the max.

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Good to see it has soft power.

If the WireView is good enough, I would use a tight tolerance on Current Balance as a leading indicator. The precise current balance will vary greatly from system to system. However, on any individual system, it should not, as the wire lengths are not going to change, neither should the individual contact resistances in the connectors. A change in current balance is an indication a failure is going to happen. Your current balance above has a low of 7A and a high of 8.1. I'd start with a balance limit of 1.2A and 28%. Adjust up to get rid of nuisance failures. It all depends on precise the WireView can be -- I would also leave the other alarms in place.

I also would not trust windows to shut the system down.

Where did you find the Afterburner plugin?
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
So you keep posting like you got a point.
Care to tell me what percentage you are at now?
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gigabyte 5080 gaming oc
16 pin 12vhpwr melted

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https://x.com/unikoshardware/status/2114446812065189918
 
erek said:
yea, almost every day there's multiple new reports of a failed connector now
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So stlil no answer and still under 0.5%?
You know the math right?

If 1 report comes in per day, it will take 2 years to rach 0.5% failure rate. (750 failed card out of 150.000 unit (low estimate).

You hunt the internet like a madman, yet your results are more tham meager.

Your bias is blinding your for the numbers.

You are actuly proving yourself wrong, the irony is hillarious.

I guess math is hard.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
So stlil no answer and still under 0.5%?
You know the math right?

If 1 report comes in per day, it will take 2 years to rach 0.5% failure rate. (750 failed card out of 150.000 unit (low estimate).

You hunt the internet like a madman, yet your results are more tham meager.

Your bias is blinding your for the numbers.

You are actuly proving yourself wrong, the irony is hillarious.

I guess math is hard.
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nvidia 5090 fe
16 pin 12vhpwr melted

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https://x.com/unikoshardware/status/2114396385395224643
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
So stlil no answer and still under 0.5%?
You know the math right?

If 1 report comes in per day, it will take 2 years to rach 0.5% failure rate. (750 failed card out of 150.000 unit (low estimate).

You hunt the internet like a madman, yet your results are more tham meager.

Your bias is blinding your for the numbers.

You are actuly proving yourself wrong, the irony is hillarious.

I guess math is hard.
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"Second MSI RTX 5090 Seemed Fine On Arrival Until Safeguard+ Helped User Identify Uneven Load On Pins Before The Connector Melted​


MSI's new Safeguard+ equipped power supply helped this user identify the problem his new RTX 5090 had.

User Gets His RTX 5090 RMA'd, and Didn't Had Any Errors, But Swapping the PSU Helped Him Knowing the Pin Not Carrying Any Current​

The typical problem associated with the 12V-2x6 connector is that it easily melts due to uneven load. Many vendors have tried to mitigate the problem since it has caused the deaths of probably thousands of RTX 50-series GPUs, especially the RTX 5090, which is rated at a much higher power. From cables with built-in sensors to monitoring devices, we have a dozen such measures by different vendors to curb the problem, but not every solution is flawless in detecting the problem before the hazard occurs."

Source: https://wccftech.com/second-msi-rtx...l-safeguard-helped-user-identify-uneven-load/
 
erek said:

"Second MSI RTX 5090 Seemed Fine On Arrival Until Safeguard+ Helped User Identify Uneven Load On Pins Before The Connector Melted​


MSI's new Safeguard+ equipped power supply helped this user identify the problem his new RTX 5090 had.

User Gets His RTX 5090 RMA'd, and Didn't Had Any Errors, But Swapping the PSU Helped Him Knowing the Pin Not Carrying Any Current​

The typical problem associated with the 12V-2x6 connector is that it easily melts due to uneven load. Many vendors have tried to mitigate the problem since it has caused the deaths of probably thousands of RTX 50-series GPUs, especially the RTX 5090, which is rated at a much higher power. From cables with built-in sensors to monitoring devices, we have a dozen such measures by different vendors to curb the problem, but not every solution is flawless in detecting the problem before the hazard occurs."

Source: https://wccftech.com/second-msi-rtx...l-safeguard-helped-user-identify-uneven-load/
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So keep it up, in 2 years with daily posting you might have a case.
Remember to seperate the SKU's (the 750 numbers only applies to the 150.000 5090's sold, if you add in other SKU's you "case" gets even worse).

Enjoy your confirmation bias, but do not act like you have a valid piont, the math doesn't back you up so far.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
So keep it up, in 2 years with daily posting you might have a case.
Remember to seperate the SKU's (the 750 numbers only applies to the 150.000 5090's sold, if you add in other SKU's you "case" gets even worse).

Enjoy your confirmation bias, but do not act like you have a valid piont, the math doesn't back you up so far.
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Yeah nothing to see here. Even when two of just the handful of youtube channels you watch have the same thing happen to them. :rolleyes:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhtYL3F1go&t=1s


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofcdHlKJ9W0
 
1_rick said:
Any reason you won't answer my question that I've asked a couple of times? How many does it take before you admit it's a problem?
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+0,5%
So wake me up when there are +750 reported cases in this thread.

Math is hard it seems.

EDIT: 750 x 5090's, if you add 5080 and other SKU, those needs to be held against sold units.
But very telling that a thread dedicated to this issue are having trouble with the numbers.

Facts > biased crying.
 
1_rick said:
It's useful to know you think 700 people's wrecked cards are no big deal.
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You fail at percentages, 750 out of 150.000 is nothing,
After 750 cases, the a root cause analysis needs to be done to exclude uers errors etc.
How many 5090 caes in this thread, do you even know or just rage-autopilot from you?

Stay away from numbers, your bias makes you fail hard. being an (angry) AMD user in an NVIDIA thread.
 
arestavo said:
While we will likely never get failure rate data from Nvidia, AMD, PCI-SIG, nor any board partners, a survey taken two (2) years ago found that more people reported 12VHPWR failures in one (1) GPU generation than in seventeen (17) years of 6/8 pin PCIE power connectors. That's nuts.

I wonder what a survey would look like today?
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A survey is biased, you need neutral statistics, a lot of people not having issues will never take the poll, they simply do not care.

I mean look erek , he searches the internet like a sniffer dog every day and stil have found less that 100 cases.
 
mullet said:
Time will be the 5090's biggest enemy.
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we can hope that enthusiasts will solve the issue aftermarket

as in some proven modification or conversion to the older style connectors

i doubt the GPU dies and Memories will be bad

and depending on timing… it’ll be a boon for repair shops to handle conversions and a decently reasonable cost to the consumer who owns the $10,000+ dollar GPU

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with how long Vera Rubin has been taking to come online even for the enterprises… seems like we’re a long way out for any NextGen consumer gaming cards at scale

something feels weird with Rubin, maybe i’m wrong but it’s taking a long time

so there’s an opportunity for enthusiasts to solve this 12vhpwr problem themselves
 
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