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South Korea stock market already crashed due to AI?
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AI made video, with an AI sponsor.How video to ponder the "success" of AI.
for some company it is hard to distinguish, almost all Meta revenues are a funnel down of their use of AI ( it is their capacity of retention by creating/proposing content of targetting ads, those 2 things have been the 2 big source of AI revenues of the last 10 years and is still the biggest source of revenues).Incorrect. AI revenue is negative, extremely far in the red. AI revenue != total company revenue.
AI is real, likely transformative, and the financial structure built on top of it can still be rotten.
Just FYI the crash in Korea was more due to leverage than AI in particular. Not trying to say that it means there isn't an AI bubble or anything, but the companies behind this market blow up have actually been having great profitability, because they aren't doing AI directly, they are selling the hardware and haven't done huge buildouts. Basically lots of people became enamored with a type of account that used leverage to get you 2x returns... the problem is that leverage makes downturns, even if temporary, much more problematic and increases the probability of you losing everything. If you want a decent (but long) video on it, Patrick Boyle has one that is pretty good.South Korea stock market already crashed due to AI?
Not sure how you figure Casual Finance uses AI, but the sponsor WhisperFlow claims to use AI... for speech to text.AI made video, with an AI sponsor.
At what point did the video say that datacenters are profitable? The point of the video is that AI companies like Meta create companies like Hyperion, to hide their debt so it doesn't effect their stock value. It's as if Meta expects AI to crash and don't want it effecting their stock value. Also, does nobody remember Hyperion from Borderlands 2? It's one of the many evil companies from that game, which Meta decided to name their Data Center.So everything according to the video is exceptionally great and nothing has to change, if like the video say new datacenter are still directly profitable like that by themselve in raw money.... you do not have yet to think do a still build barely-unprofitable one to build up some competitive advantage-not loose the edge to some long term calculator, that an easy yes.
That kid is VERY bad at pinball.This is why I have A.I. trust issues.
A friend e-mailed me this image from their FB feed yesterday.
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Or a very good cheater if he disabled the TILT sensor.That kid is VERY bad at pinball.
That floor is very uneven -- look how crouched the two in the back are, and they're still almost over his shoulder.This is why I have A.I. trust issues.
A friend e-mailed me this image from their FB feed yesterday.
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When he said that new project have positive margin, I assume you did not actually watch the video (it is long), going from 40% operating margin down to 10% for the latest... is still all profitable and in very direct way, not in protection against competition-long term play-strategy type... those are all bonus over directly profitable infracstructure you are not even paying interest on building.At what point did the video say that datacenters are profitable?
that would only work if it was not 100% public, 100% known of the people that value the company, it is not something the maker of this video did found, it simply read their SEC stuff, everyone count it as debt like in their valuation of META.The point of the video is that AI companies like Meta create companies like Hyperion, to hide their debt so it doesn't effect their stock value.
This is why I have A.I. trust issues.
A friend e-mailed me this image from their FB feed yesterday.
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This is why I have A.I. trust issues.
A friend e-mailed me this image from their FB feed yesterday.
I forget which AI I used for this, but I asked it to show me an image of what the Sega Neptune looks on it's side and this is what it created. It was so funny I had to keep it. It's for the Neptune project I'm working on but here's another photo of what it should look like. AI took the Sega Genesis Model 2 and wrote SEGA NEPTUNE on it and put all the ports on it's side. If anyone needs proof that AI doesn't actually think then here's your proof.
I think I have said this before, but I feel fairly certain there is going to be an AI crash, and I think it is going to be painful, but also a bit weird.
So much money has been invested in AI at this point that it is already beyond the point where all reasonable future discounted cash flows result in a non-positive NPV (at least per several investment bakers who are way more knowledgeable on this topic than I am)
Just like with the financial crisis, where suddenly, overnight, no hedge funds or banks were willing to buy the mortgage companies low quality collateralized debt obligations, this will also come suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere, and when it does it will be a bloodbath.
It won't kill AI. AI - for better or for worse - is now with us forever. BUT - just like when the Dot Com Bubble burst - it will help select the winners and the losers. It will filter out all of the organizations that exist based on hype only and don't have real or realistically usable products, and companies that are over-leveraged, or are unable to generate enough revenue to stay afloat, but just like how the Dot Com crash didn't kill the nascent Internet, when this bubble bursts it won't kill AI. It will just get rid of the junk, and make way for the AI market to become the market the Internet eventually became, a market not just driven by investment and burn rate, but one that could actually be financially sustainable.
The weird part will be how it affects people. No doubt about it, investors are going to be left holding the bag, the stock market will crash, and many retirement plans are going to be seriously hurt, but how workers are going to be affected is going to be a bit confusing.
Sure, workers directly in AI companies may lose their jobs, but at the same time, the market will realize that they have been over-sold on the current capabilities of AI, and many of those layoffs that have happened due to excitement at the prospect of laying off workers because AI can do their jobs, will be reversed, and there will likely be hiring, so many of those laid off will likely find work elsewhere.
So how this winds up ending is not entirely clear to me. I suppose it could mean that there is a precipitous crash, the market indices fall badly, investors lose a ton of money, but a relatively rapid rebound as hiring offsets AI specific job losses. At least so I hope.
Time will tell.
Yes. I expanded it into a 50-fund global tracker. The most useful way to do this is to distinguish pension funds that are actually financing/owning AI infrastructure from those whose exposure is mainly Nvidia, Microsoft and other listed AI companies.
One important methodological point: there is no defensible way to calculate a single exact “AI exposure” for every pension fund. Private valuations are often undisclosed, infrastructure funds contain non-AI assets, and 13F filings cover only U.S.-listed securities. So below, “identifiable AI exposure” means the minimum I can substantiate from disclosed positions/commitments, rather than pretending an uncertain estimate is exact.
Exposure key
Very High = multi-billion-dollar direct AI/DC portfolio or exceptionally large AI-equity portfolio.
High = substantial direct digital infrastructure and/or roughly $1bn+ identifiable AI equities.
Medium = material listed AI positions, smaller direct infrastructure allocations, or both.
ND = not separately disclosed.
1. Pension funds with direct AI/data-centre exposure
The numbers above reveal how large the Australian exposure has become. Cbus says approximately A$4.5 billion of its property, infrastructure and private-equity assets are linked to AI, including CyrusOne. Aware Super now says its digital-infrastructure portfolio exceeds A$6 billion, and in January 2026 it committed another US$300 million to the vehicle owning Vantage Data Centers APAC.
# Pension fund Scale* Direct AI / data-centre amount identifiable Nvidia Microsoft Major AI/DC assets Overall AI exposure 1 CPP Investments ~C$781B+ ≥US$4.1B + €1.1B, before AirTrunk and several private AI positions Yes Yes AirTrunk, atNorth, Equinix xScale, Goodman DCs, xAI financing, Anthropic, OpenAI/Cohere/AI VC Very High 2 AustralianSuper >A$430B ~A$4.7B announced Yes Yes DataBank, Vantage EMEA, Cirion Very High 3 Cbus Super ~A$100B+ ~A$4.5B in AI-linked private assets Yes Yes CyrusOne, Switch, Green, broadband, power infrastructure Very High 4 Aware Super ~A$210B >A$6B digital infrastructure; US$300M new Vantage APAC deal Yes Yes Switch, Vantage APAC, euNetworks, Vocus, 2degrees Very High 5 Ontario Teachers' (OTPP) C$279.4B ND Yes Yes Compass Datacenters, Princeton Digital Group, Anthropic Very High 6 La Caisse / CDPQ C$551.6B ≥A$1B NEXTDCplus other financing Yes Yes NEXTDC, Vantage Data Centers Very High 7 Rest Super >A$90B A$1B commitmentto Quinbrook Yes Yes Rowan Digital Infrastructure, Brisbane Supernode, green hyperscale DCs High 8 BCI ~C$265B net ND ND ND EdgeConneX, GlobalConnect; AI venture/growth investments High 9 ABP / APG ~€500B+ Purchase price ND Yes Yes NorthC Datacenters, euNetworks, OneAsia High 10 PFZW / PGGM ~€250B Purchase price ND Yes Yes 49% Penta Infra, Eurofiber data centres High 11 CalPERS US$177.4B Q2 13F alone ≥US$150M specific GI data-infrastructure commitment, plus TechCore US$9.22B Q2 2026 US$5.89B GI Partners TechCore/Data Infrastructure Very High 12 CalSTRS US$94.5B Q1 13F US$150M GI Data Infrastructure Fund commitment ~US$6.4B Q1 Large GI Partners DataCore/Data Infrastructure Very High 13 New York State Common Retirement Fund ~US$79B listed U.S. portfolio US$300M Principal Data Center fund Multi-billion Multi-billion Principal Data Center Growth & Income Fund Very High 14 HESTA ~A$105B ND Yes Yes Radius Global Infrastructure — land underlying DCs/exchanges High 15 UniSuper ~A$150B ND Yes Yes NEXTDC, Goodman, Equinix, Digital Realty High 16 AIMCo ~C$170B+ Data-centre REITs ~3% of reported infrastructure sector allocation ND ND Data-centre REITs; former AirTrunk stake Medium–High 17 HOOPP C$132B ND ND ND Tenstorrent AI semiconductor investment Medium–High 18 NYCERS Part of NYC pooled pension assets ND Yes indirectly/pooled Yes Infrastructure portfolio explicitly benefiting from AI DC buildout High 19 NYC Teachers' Retirement System Pooled NYC assets ND Yes Yes AI/data-centre infrastructure High 20 NYC Board of Education Retirement System Pooled NYC assets ND Yes Yes AI/data-centre infrastructure High 21 NYC Police Pension Fund Pooled NYC assets ND Yes Yes AI/data-centre infrastructure High 22 NYC Fire Pension Fund Pooled NYC assets ND Yes Yes AI/data-centre infrastructure High 23 Aware's Switch/Vantage holdings are included above; no double count — — — — — —
Rest has a A$1 billion Quinbrook commitment, giving it exposure to Rowan's U.S. hyperscale developments and Brisbane's Supernode; Rest says AI and data-centre demand are part of the investment thesis. HESTA similarly describes its Radius investment explicitly as “backing AI infrastructure.”
CPP is probably the most diversified direct pension investor in the entire AI stack. It is investing in hyperscale data centres through AirTrunk, Equinix, Goodman and atNorth while simultaneously investing in AI companies. Its atNorth deal alone requires about US$1.6 billion from CPP, its Equinix xScale allocation is up to US$2.4 billion, and the Goodman European partnership calls for €1.1 billion from CPP initially.
Ontario Teachers' ended 2025 with C$279.4 billion and has exposure to Compass Datacenters, Princeton Digital Group and Anthropic. La Caisse has grown further, reaching about C$551.6 billion at 30 June 2026.
2. Major pension funds with substantial listed AI exposure
These funds may or may not directly own data centres, but their disclosed holdings give them significant economic exposure to the AI boom.
A few of these listed exposures are enormous enough to rival direct data-centre investments. AP7, for example, held SEK73.23 billion of Nvidia and SEK40.97 billion of Microsoft at 30 June 2026. Add TSMC (SEK39.89B), Amazon (SEK35.84B), Alphabet (SEK33.26B), Broadcom (SEK26.49B), AMD (SEK14.65B) and ASML (SEK11.94B), and AP7's identifiable AI-stack holdings are well above SEK275 billion.
# Pension fund Country Latest public-equity scale / AUM indicator Nvidia Microsoft Direct DC disclosed? Estimated AI exposure 23 National Pension Service (NPS) US$155.1B Q2 U.S. 13F ~US$10B+ ~US$5–6B Not major disclosed direct holding Very High 24 AP7 Equity Fund ~SEK1tn+ class SEK73.23B SEK40.97B No Very High 25 Employees Provident Fund (EPF) US$17.42B U.S. 13Falone US$1.370B US$1.394B Not identified Very High 26 AP4 SEK578.1B at 2025 year-end before reform transfers SEK7.24B SEK5.65B No major direct DC identified High 27 Ilmarinen €70.4B June 2026 ~US$635M ~US$360M ND High 28 Varma ~€65B+ Large US$425.6M ND High 29 GPIF ~¥280tn+ class Yes, very large Yes, very large ND Very High 30 AP2 ~SEK475B Yes Yes ND High 31 AP3 ~SEK577B Yes Yes ND High 32 ATP ~DKK700B+ class Yes Yes ND High 33 USS ~£70–80B class Exposure reported through mandates Microsoft verified ND Medium–High 34 Hostplus ~A$100B+ Yes Yes No large direct DC disclosed High 35 CareSuper ~A$50B+ Yes Yes ND Medium–High 36 Florida Retirement System / SBA US$53.4B Q1 13F Very large Very large ND Very High 37 Teacher Retirement System of Texas ~US$37B disclosed U.S. equities Very large Large ND High 38 State of Wisconsin Investment Board ~US$49.6B U.S. 13F Very large Very large ND High 39 Michigan Retirement System US$22.59B Q2 13F Top holding Top-four ND High 40 Tennessee Consolidated Retirement System / Treasury US$33.7B Q2 13F US$1.679B US$960M ND Very High 41 Teachers' Retirement System of Kentucky ~US$13B 13F ~US$640M Q1 ~US$411M Q1 ND High 42 Retirement Systems of Alabama US$33.21B Q2 13F ~US$1.8B ~US$959M ND Very High 43 Ohio PERS US$34.02B Q2 13F Top holding Top-four ND Very High 44 STRS Ohio Multi-billion U.S. equity book Very large ~US$944M ND High 45 Maryland State Retirement & Pension System US$5.8B Q2 13F US$251M US$149M ND Medium–High 46 Louisiana State Employees Retirement System US$6.74B Q2 13F US$360M Large ND Medium–High 47 Arizona State Retirement System ≥US$17.1B U.S. equities Top holding Top-four ND High 48 Colorado PERA US$28.95B Q2 13F Top holding Top-four ND Very High 49 Utah Retirement Systems US$10.51B Q2 13F US$708.7M US$420.8M ND High 50 New York State Teachers' Retirement System Large U.S. equity portfolio US$3.76B Q2 Very large ND Very High
AP4 held SEK7.24B Nvidia + SEK5.65B Microsoft + SEK5.56B Alphabet at the end of 2025. Ilmarinen had grown to €70.4 billion of investment assets by June 2026; its U.S.-listed holdings included roughly US$635M Nvidia and US$360M Microsoft.
Malaysia's EPF is another surprisingly large AI investor. At 30 June 2026 its disclosed U.S. portfolio alone contained approximately US$1.394B Microsoft, US$1.370B Nvidia, US$1.013B Micron, US$963M Alphabet and US$814M Broadcom. That's more than US$5.5 billion in just those five AI-related companies, before Amazon, Meta and other positions.
South Korea's NPS is even larger: its Q2 2026 U.S. portfolio was US$155.1 billion, with Nvidia its largest holding and Microsoft also among its biggest positions.
In the U.S., CalPERS' Q2 2026 filing alone shows approximately US$9.22B Nvidia + US$5.89B Microsoft + US$4.72B Broadcom + US$4.46B Amazon. So its identifiable listed AI exposure is already comfortably above US$20 billion, before Alphabet, Meta, AMD, TSMC, its S&P 500 ETFs or private data-centre investments are counted.
Tennessee's Q2 filing is particularly clear: US$1.679B Nvidia, US$960M Microsoft, US$803M Amazon and US$617M Broadcom, among other AI holdings. Utah held approximately US$709M Nvidia and US$421M Microsoft at 30 June. Maryland held roughly US$251M Nvidia and US$149M Microsoft, while Louisiana reported about US$360M Nvidia.
The ranking changes depending on what you mean by “invested in AI”
If I rank the funds by direct financing of AI infrastructure rather than passive ownership of Nvidia, my current rough top tier is:
If instead we rank by total identifiable AI-related financial exposure, several giant indexed/public-equity investors shoot upwards. CalPERS, NPS, GPIF and AP7 have extremely large exposures simply because Nvidia, Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon, Broadcom, TSMC and other AI beneficiaries are such large components of global markets.
- CPP Investments
- AustralianSuper
- Cbus
- Aware Super
- Ontario Teachers'
- La Caisse/CDPQ
- Rest
- CalPERS
- ABP/APG
- PFZW/PGGM
The numbers that stand out most
The most consequential finding is that pension money is now financing all four layers of the AI buildout: AI companies themselves; semiconductors such as Nvidia/AMD/TSMC; hyperscale data centres; and the electricity/fibre infrastructure needed to run those data centres. The exposure is therefore considerably larger than simply adding up pension funds' Nvidia shares.
Fund Particularly striking figure AP7 >SEK275B identifiable across major AI-stack equities CalPERS >US$20B identifiable from just a handful of AI stocks, before ETFs/private assets NPS US$155.1B U.S. equity portfolio, Nvidia #1 CPP Multiple billions of dollars of direct AI/DC capital plus private AI-company holdings AustralianSuper Roughly A$4.7B in DataBank + Vantage commitments Cbus ~A$4.5B of assets it explicitly describes as AI-linked Aware Super >A$6B digital infrastructure portfolio EPF Malaysia >US$5.5B in just MSFT/NVDA/Micron/Alphabet/Broadcom AP4 SEK12.9B in Nvidia + Microsoft alone Rest A$1B Quinbrook commitment supporting hyperscale/green DCs
*For U.S. funds, figures labelled 13F are the market value of reported U.S.-listed securities, not the pension plan's total assets. Private assets, foreign ordinary shares, many funds and other investments are excluded.
Because these positions change quarterly, I can also keep a tracker of pension-fund purchases/sales of Nvidia, Microsoft and new AI data-centre deals and flag major changes.
It's not just pension funds or your 401k. Your life insurance policy also has a fair amount invested in the AI companies.Pension funds are holding a lot of the bag now so if the rug is going to be pulled it'll be probably within the next 12 months. Here's a list chatgpt put together of available data on pension fund exposure. (not financial advice)
To take control of everything, they need a truly massive crisis, and I think they’re steering the global economy toward that point. So (the rush for) artificial intelligence is the tool that will make this happen, and the tool that will then be used to manage everything with precision.I think I have said this before, but I feel fairly certain there is going to be an AI crash, and I think it is going to be painful, but also a bit weird.
So much money has been invested in AI at this point that it is already beyond the point where all reasonable future discounted cash flows result in a non-positive NPV (at least per several investment bakers who are way more knowledgeable on this topic than I am)
Just like with the financial crisis, where suddenly, overnight, no hedge funds or banks were willing to buy the mortgage companies low quality collateralized debt obligations, this will also come suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere, and when it does it will be a bloodbath.
It won't kill AI. AI - for better or for worse - is now with us forever. BUT - just like when the Dot Com Bubble burst - it will help select the winners and the losers. It will filter out all of the organizations that exist based on hype only and don't have real or realistically usable products, and companies that are over-leveraged, or are unable to generate enough revenue to stay afloat, but just like how the Dot Com crash didn't kill the nascent Internet, when this bubble bursts it won't kill AI. It will just get rid of the junk, and make way for the AI market to become the market the Internet eventually became, a market not just driven by investment and burn rate, but one that could actually be financially sustainable.
The weird part will be how it affects people. No doubt about it, investors are going to be left holding the bag, the stock market will crash, and many retirement plans are going to be seriously hurt, but how workers are going to be affected is going to be a bit confusing.
Sure, workers directly in AI companies may lose their jobs, but at the same time, the market will realize that they have been over-sold on the current capabilities of AI, and many of those layoffs that have happened due to excitement at the prospect of laying off workers because AI can do their jobs, will be reversed, and there will likely be hiring, so many of those laid off will likely find work elsewhere.
So how this winds up ending is not entirely clear to me. I suppose it could mean that there is a precipitous crash, the market indices fall badly, investors lose a ton of money, but a relatively rapid rebound as hiring offsets AI specific job losses. At least so I hope.
Time will tell.