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They charge the same price for the same specs than the others right now, not sure why it would change, it is not like they are in search of clients.
there is an unofficial successor to the series S planned. it is AMD's successor to Z2 extreme chip — known as Medusa Premium. it is expected to have same cpu but 1/3rd the GPU of helix/magnus/series X2.
You know it's bad when they show you the monthly cost first.
$552 for the X if you figure $12/mo for gp ultimate. Expensive, but only $50 more than straight-up. And you get Game Pass...if you care about that.
premium console was always a crazy plan. now they need to initiate backup plan & bring in the successor for series S (next gen handheld/laptop chip that has 1/3rd the GPU power of Helix)
looks like they'll cut down memory & storage but optimize software to use both more efficiently
Or just look in the trash and find an Xbox One X like I did. Someone threw away a perfectly working Xbox One X, including the 1TB drive. They even took the time to reset the machine to make sure nobody could get their games. I did take it apart and dunked it in water multiple times as it had roaches. Too bad nobody hacked it yet because this thing is useless to me. Also gotta say I spent 30 minutes logging into the device because it's not as simple as turning it on and playing games. Last time I used my Xbox account was with my 360, which I still have laying around. I spent more time logging in then I do installing Linux on my PC.Rent a console. Microsoft loans/pay in 'x' payments for a console. Pay by the hour Microsoft cybercafes with only Xbox Helixes.
They want to move away from hardware and move everyone to cloud gaming. GP is just a way to slowly condition people to it.Rent a console. Microsoft loans/pay in 'x' payments for a console. Pay by the hour Microsoft cybercafes with only Xbox Helixes.
The cloud push isn't so strong under Sharma. She realizes that the hardware and games have to be compelling before you can even think about a Game Pass subscription; hell, she even lowered the price so that it's less of a profit driver.
Give it time. They trying to win back people atm. I 100% believe Helix is going to be digital only and after the Helix there will be a huge push to cloud gaming.
Phil Spencer lied that gamepass subscriptions would grow to 100 million. but it is stuck now. so they'll have to start removing day & date on a gradual basis (&/ restrict it to the very ultimate tiers).
That does delay Microsoft's dream by several years if it happens, mind you...
They dont care about the experience they want all the control and you to own nothing. The structure is everyone using the cloud from a dumb terminal. Paying a subscription for everything.
I don't think we have to fight, because few people going for it. Cloud gaming is just a nightmare of legal problems and performance issues. Streaming movies works because movies do inherently work well with streaming. Streaming games doesn't work because latency is a real issue and people have a problem with a service that will get better and worse based on the time of day. My 300 Mbps is not that speed all day long. Right now it's 260, but at 5PM it's around 150. There's no reliable way to make cloud gaming work.
Then let me put your worries to ease because we've been down this rabbit hole a half dozen times. No cloud gaming services has survived for very long, like Stadia. Even Nvidia who's been in the cloud gaming market the longest had to rebrand it a number of times. Geforce Now was known as Grid which not only required you to buy the games but to pay a monthly fee to play them, much like Stadia did. This obvious didn't work so Nvidia moved to still requiring you to buy games but the games will also work on Steam. This also didn't work. Geforce Now is just a monthly fee that lets you play games you own, but with many limits. For $20 not only you gotta own the game but you're limited to 8 hours before you could be kicked off. Plus, not all games work on Geforce Now due to legal reasons. Then there's Sony's Playstation Plus which is also $20 a month and no limits beyond storage, plus you don't need to buy the games. Sony doesn't release the amount of gamers using their cloud gaming service, but we do know there's 23.7 million subscribers when it comes to PlayStation Plus Premium membership. It doesn't look good when a company doesn't release numbers.
I am not sure about the legals problems part ? but 150 Mbps is of course more than enough to stream game perfectly fine.
Lot of people do play game on consoles too, who tend to have way worse latency than streaming in 360fps mode... (end-to-end real latency of 30-40ms, which is often over 50 to 100ms on a console for a multipleayer game), for a lot of people changing to Nvidia cloud would not be sacrificying latency, it would be gaining a lower one.
You have 10 Gb internet? Or you're just using 10 GbE ports?
That didn't answer my question.
It's not always 150 Mbps. Keep in mind if other family members are using that connection, it will get worse.
Yes but, you're suggesting people to use those same consoles to play cloud gaming. A powerful PC is going to experience cloud gaming better than a FireStick, just due to the inherit nature of the PC being a low latency powerful machine. When Stadia was a thing, the use of FireTV Sticks had a dramatic latency increase over a desktop PC. The 4k sticks were better but not PC better. Latency is cumulative, and subtractive. If the hardware has latency then cloud gaming will just add on top of it, making the overall experience worse.
Geforce now peak usage is around 100mbps, which is quite more than Disney+ 4k streaming, quality of the video compression matter here of course, but you should try it.. I really doubt the issue you have is with 1gbps (or 10?) being too slow, latency of your setup maybe more than raw bandwith ? The server used to compress the video stream of the game use RTX 6000 gpus that have extremelly fast compression capacity.
A console (or firestick), a smarthphone can have quite fast hardware x265 (or av1 or the future one), that make that part faster than the 40-60fps consoles without Reflex on, the TV vs compute rmonitor, controller part sure, but the firestick streaming can easily have as good or better latency than what consoles gamers have been used too.
Your question is irrelevant for local streaming
You can’t answer a simple question?
worked perfectly even just over 1GbE