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007 First Light - Official Bond game from IO Interactive

the_sextein said:
I can get that the game is dumbed down for the masses so you should probably play it on hard mode for your first run of the game but I don't see any forced ideologies in this game lol. I watched Cohh Carnage play the first mission and didn't see anything wrong with it. No tranny pushups, no pride flags, no race baiting, there is a range of characters but there are plenty of good looking women and James bond is also charismatic. I've seen people complain about race swapped characters but they were swapped a decade ago in the Hollywood films so this isn't something unique to IOI's vision. This game doesn't feel like it has some sort of forced ideology to me and Hitman didn't have any of that kind of stuff either.
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I watched Sacriel play it and he was having a blast (well, other than a save bug today that made him lose an hour or progress). I like Coh too, but Sacriel is a Brit so I was more interested in a Brit's opinion on how they treated Bond. Sacriel is also super nerdy about graphics technology, guns and Bond lore.
 
the_sextein said:
I can get that the game is dumbed down for the masses so you should probably play it on hard mode for your first run of the game but I don't see any forced ideologies in this game lol. I watched Cohh Carnage play the first mission and didn't see anything wrong with it. No tranny pushups, no pride flags, no race baiting, there is a range of characters but there are plenty of good looking women and James bond is also charismatic. I've seen people complain about race swapped characters but they were swapped a decade ago in the Hollywood films so this isn't something unique to IOI's vision. This game doesn't feel like it has some sort of forced ideology to me and Hitman didn't have any of that kind of stuff either.
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The first mission is kind of an introduction to the game, it is very different to what comes after. Sure there is no overt flag pushing or direct references to ideology in it, but that's not the only form of ideology pushing. In fact it rarely happens that overtly. JB is constantly talked down to by the female voice on the radio during the first mission, which makes zero narrative sense, as they are the ones who need your help. It feels like the hate fantasy of the writers towards the broader character instead of the version of the character in the game.

But the real humiliation only begins after the first mission. The very first fully interactive part is being forced to loose a fight to some stereotypcal chad dudebro, who collects shoes. That's how your hour long training humiliation montage begins.

Plenty of good looking women? I counted one, who you are immediately cucked by, no it's actually worse, it is not even her that cucks you, it is James who cucks himself by offering her up on a silver platter to Chad Dudebro. What is this character, Gay Bond? Not that there is anything wrong with that, but James Bond isn't supposed to be gay. Where was I? Oh, yeah good loking women, apart from this one the rest are mid at best. Have games been pushing ugly characters for so long, that mid now passes as a bombshell?

James is not charismatic. He is a slightly snarky timid fratboy, who constantly seems out of his depth, while faking confidence. Meybe he becomes actually smarmy and competent later, but from what I've seen so far, I doubt that.

It isn't forced ideology because it's been done before by hollywood? That's a weird view, sounds like cope or denial to me.
 
M76 said:
Plenty of good looking women? I counted one, who you are immediately cucked by, no it's actually worse, it is not even her that cucks you, it is James who cucks himself by offering her up on a silver platter to Chad Dudebro. What is this character, Gay Bond? Not that there is anything wrong with that, but James Bond isn't supposed to be gay. Where was I? Oh, yeah good loking women, apart from this one the rest are mid at best. Have games been pushing ugly characters for so long, that mid now passes as a bombshell?
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There were signs...
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All the gameplay I have seen looks like the game is on rails. Does the player need to actually do anything but move around once in a while? Were they that bad at making a James Bond game that they were afraid of players having agency, like, you know, a game? The graphics also look like shit.
M76 said:
The first mission is kind of an introduction to the game, it is very different to what comes after. Sure there is no overt flag pushing or direct references to ideology in it, but that's not the only form of ideology pushing. In fact it rarely happens that overtly. JB is constantly talked down to by the female voice on the radio during the first mission, which makes zero narrative sense, as they are the ones who need your help. It feels like the hate fantasy of the writers towards the broader character instead of the version of the character in the game.

But the real humiliation only begins after the first mission. The very first fully interactive part is being forced to loose a fight to some stereotypcal chad dudebro, who collects shoes. That's how your hour long training humiliation montage begins.

Plenty of good looking women? I counted one, who you are immediately cucked by, no it's actually worse, it is not even her that cucks you, it is James who cucks himself by offering her up on a silver platter to Chad Dudebro. What is this character, Gay Bond? Not that there is anything wrong with that, but James Bond isn't supposed to be gay. Where was I? Oh, yeah good loking women, apart from this one the rest are mid at best. Have games been pushing ugly characters for so long, that mid now passes as a bombshell?

James is not charismatic. He is a slightly snarky timid fratboy, who constantly seems out of his depth, while faking confidence. Meybe he becomes actually smarmy and competent later, but from what I've seen so far, I doubt that.

It isn't forced ideology because it's been done before by hollywood? That's a weird view, sounds like cope or denial to me.
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Seriously about the women. I saw a post saying there are so many bombshells in this game, I look at the 4 characters they posted, and they're a 3, 3, 2, 4. Westerners are so deprived of good looking female characters in games that they now think below average women are bombshells just because they don't have a Crimson Chin or are not using the male body model.
 
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I think some of you try to find an issue. Yeah Bond does get hand held in the first mission, but yeah it's a designed trainer so you learn the controls and two Bond is just a soldier that MI6 is forced to use because things go sideways. Yeah and the female voice in the first mission does yell at Bond, but that's because he chose to not follow orders. It feels very much like a young Bond learning the ropes of the spy game, your also training with other 00 recruits. It has it's flaws but it's not a DEI game.
 
Gideon said:
I think some of you try to find an issue. Yeah Bond does get hand held in the first mission, but yeah it's a designed trainer so you learn the controls and two Bond is just a soldier that MI6 is forced to use because things go sideways. Yeah and the female voice in the first mission does yell at Bond, but that's because he chose to not follow orders. It feels very much like a young Bond learning the ropes of the spy game, your also training with other 00 recruits. It has it's flaws but it's not a DEI game.
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  1. The handholding only gets worse after the first mission.
  2. No, she is already dismissive and bossy before he does anything and he only defies orders at the end (not that she would have the authority to give legit orders to him, the navy does not answer to MI6)
  3. They make sure to drill it in that he is not just one of the recruits, but actually worse at everything than the other recruits, who all seem to treat him and only him as trash. Even the "drill instructor" is only picking on him.
I'm not saying it is a terrible game, but it's definitely a DEI easy mode industry plant, there is no reason to deny it, I can enjoy it in spite of it, just not as much as I would if the writers respected the character and the player.

Alpha Protocol which starts out exactly the same way getting recruited as a spy respects its own main character 10 times more, who is an actual nobody.
 
M76 said:
  1. The handholding only gets worse after the first mission.
  2. No, she is already dismissive and bossy before he does anything and he only defies orders at the end (not that she would have the authority to give legit orders to him, the navy does not answer to MI6)
  3. They make sure to drill it in that he is not just one of the recruits, but actually worse at everything than the other recruits, who all seem to treat him and only him as trash. Even the "drill instructor" is only picking on him.
I'm not saying it is a terrible game, but it's definitely a DEI easy mode industry plant, there is no reason to deny it, I can enjoy it in spite of it, just not as much as I would if the writers respected the character and the player.

Alpha Protocol which starts out exactly the same way getting recruited as a spy respects its own main character 10 times more, who is an actual nobody.
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All of this talk of Alpha Protocol has me pondering about playing it again. :LOL:
 
Well I haven't played it so I'm not going to say you're wrong and argue about it but I didn't see anything that felt out of line to me. No gay bond or anything. There were multiple females at the party he went to and none of them looked uglified on purpose. His boss did yell at him when he didn't follow orders but I mean, that's how it goes dude. I wouldn't be shocked if IOI had a DEI infection like most of the industry but I didn't see anything in the last 3 hitman games or in the single mission that I watched from the new bond. 3500 user reviews on steam with a very positive rating and none of the reviews from youtubers are freaking out about ugly characters or a gay bond and they are mostly positive, I would say a 10 to 1 ratio of positivity regarding the game experience.
 
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CrimsonKnight13 said:
All of this talk of Alpha Protocol has me pondering about playing it again. :LOL:
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I was thinking about it myself, but then I remember the bad about it, the game breaking bugs, the rushed level designs, the awful bossfights. That game has the highest highs, but also the lowest of lows.
 
M76 said:
I was thinking about it myself, but then I remember the bad about it, the game breaking bugs, the rushed level designs, the awful bossfights. That game has the highest highs, but also the lowest of lows.
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Yeah, some major jank wrapped in marshmallow... :eek:
 
M76 said:
The first mission is kind of an introduction to the game, it is very different to what comes after. Sure there is no overt flag pushing or direct references to ideology in it, but that's not the only form of ideology pushing. In fact it rarely happens that overtly. JB is constantly talked down to by the female voice on the radio during the first mission, which makes zero narrative sense, as they are the ones who need your help. It feels like the hate fantasy of the writers towards the broader character instead of the version of the character in the game.
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LOL let's take the first time Bond actually meets M in the Daniel Craig series.

M is all business and almost always has the biggest dick in the room by far. This is literally her character and has been.

She doesn't romanticize 00 agents. She respects competence, not bravado or someone becoming a liability.


View: https://youtu.be/1skRaxPW6Yg

She straight up says if Bond wasn't a 00 agent she would have just had him killed for being a fuck up.
 
socK said:
LOL let's take the first time Bond actually meets M in the Daniel Craig series.

M is all business and almost always has the biggest dick in the room by far. This is literally her character and has been.

She doesn't romanticize 00 agents. She respects competence, not bravado or someone becoming a liability.


View: https://youtu.be/1skRaxPW6Yg

She straight up says if Bond wasn't a 00 agent she would have just had him killed for being a fuck up.
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Okay, I don't get what this has to do with the game. Judi Dench's M is not in the game, and her first scene in the series in Goldeneye is a better representation. "Because I think you're a sexist, mysogynist dinosaur, a relic of Cold War... I've no compunction about sending you to your death, but I won't do it on a whim... Bond, come back alive.". She is a balance to Bond's personality. She doesn't like his methods, but recognizes his skill and effectiveness as an agent. Which is the opposite of what I hear about this game.


View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tEujAIjTldk

And hot take: Daniel Craig was the worst Bond.
 
This takes place before Bond has established himself. He's a noob that nobody knows or respects. That's probably the reason. Either way it's a game and it's probably not that deep. If they had some troll they wanted to push on us I'm sure they would do the same thing UBI and EA do. If they race swap agent 47 then ok but this is a big nothing burger.
 
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Armenius said:
Okay, I don't get what this has to do with the game. Judi Dench's M is not in the game, and her first scene in the series in Goldeneye is a better representation. "Because I think you're a sexist, mysogynist dinosaur, a relic of Cold War... I've no compunction about sending you to your death, but I won't do it on a whim... Bond, come back alive.". She is a balance to Bond's personality. She doesn't like his methods, but recognizes his skill and effectiveness as an agent. Which is the opposite of what I hear about this game.


View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tEujAIjTldk

And hot take: Daniel Craig was the worst Bond.
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Why the fuck would she NOT treat Bond with kid gloves at this point? He's brand new. She doesn't trust his judgement - and we've seen what happens in this case, Bond is completely capable of fucking things up horribly and literally does on multiple occasions.

Just because she thinks he's skilled doesn't mean she's going to let him do whatever the he wants.

00 Agents are very explicitly not above her. M understands governments, public fallout, these intelligence institutions operating in the shadows, and how they stay running.

M is obviously intended to be one of the few people Bond effectively answers to.

Dench is probably the sharpest version of M, that I can remember at least, but M is pretty reliably the "authority" even across Bond timelines.
 
Played close to 5 hours of the game. So far it feels a lot like a generic spy game, with a few James Bond references. Was hoping for a more classic take on bond, the pre daniel craig version, but I guess no one would dare release that in the current climate. Would have been better to do a 60's setting or so as it would be more time appropriate to bond being a new agent, but I guess they want make it "palatable" for a "modern audience".

Dialog is so so most of the time and most of the characters are forgettable. The gameplay is OK, mainly a worse copy of uncharted, tomb raider etc. Quite a bit of stealth and exploration with some hand to hand combat and the rare gunfights. It feels like a game that would mostly control better on a controller, rather than keyboard and mouse during fight scenes and driving scenes. Controls feel a little clunky as well when compared to uncharted, tomb raider and similar games.

So far it hovers between a 6 and 7.5 for me, depending on the level and setting. Looks like a 6.5 or 7 overall, unless it really starts to pick up in quality of level design and game play in the later levels. Probably the only non-driving game of the year, outside of GTA 6 and Doom the dark ages expansion that seemed remotely interesting to me, which is why I bought it. Like I have only bought 1 SP game in the last 12 months, so I wanted a SP experience. It kinda fulfills that need, even if it isn't amazing. Bond angle feels like it is slapped on though, so no point buying it for that part and probably would have made more sense to wait for a heavy discount for most people.
 
Gideon said:
I think some of you try to find an issue. Yeah Bond does get hand held in the first mission, but yeah it's a designed trainer so you learn the controls and two Bond is just a soldier that MI6 is forced to use because things go sideways. Yeah and the female voice in the first mission does yell at Bond, but that's because he chose to not follow orders. It feels very much like a young Bond learning the ropes of the spy game, your also training with other 00 recruits. It has it's flaws but it's not a DEI game.
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Don't pay attention to the incels in here.
 
socK said:
LOL let's take the first time Bond actually meets M in the Daniel Craig series.

M is all business and almost always has the biggest dick in the room by far. This is literally her character and has been.

She doesn't romanticize 00 agents. She respects competence, not bravado or someone becoming a liability.


View: https://youtu.be/1skRaxPW6Yg

She straight up says if Bond wasn't a 00 agent she would have just had him killed for being a fuck up.
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Take it where? To what end?

I already said this, just because hollywood did it before doesn't mean it gets a free pass. Besides I don't consider the Craig Bond authentic either, he doesn't have the charm, looks like a Bulgarian farmer (no offense to actual Bulgarian farmers). The real bond is sipping champagne in the hot tub with the villain's mistress five seconds after meeting her. Not brawling his way through thugs.

And FYI in the first mission bond is not an agent yet, just a soldier who doesn't answer to M or MI6, and it's not M on the radio anyway. They want to use him to complete their mission for them, he has zero obligation to obey them, so talking down to him is the worst idea, and here I am repeating myself again.

socK said:
Why the fuck would she NOT treat Bond with kid gloves at this point? He's brand new. She doesn't trust his judgement - and we've seen what happens in this case, Bond is completely capable of fucking things up horribly and literally does on multiple occasions.

Just because she thinks he's skilled doesn't mean she's going to let him do whatever the he wants.

00 Agents are very explicitly not above her. M understands governments, public fallout, these intelligence institutions operating in the shadows, and how they stay running.

M is obviously intended to be one of the few people Bond effectively answers to.

Dench is probably the sharpest version of M, that I can remember at least, but M is pretty reliably the "authority" even across Bond timelines.
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So what does this have to do with the game, which I assume you haven't played based on your comments?

There is no justification for everyone treating him like a doormat in the game, and only one plausible explanation: The writers despise the character.
 
pendragon1 said:
do you even have to play it or is it in "journalist" mode....
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There were segments where I was questioning whether my inputs even matter, but TBF to the game, there are also some segments where you actually have to play, but not many so far 6 hours in. Actually 2 short sequences so far where it felt like a proper action game.
 
evhvis said:
Played close to 5 hours of the game. So far it feels a lot like a generic spy game, with a few James Bond references. Was hoping for a more classic take on bond, the pre daniel craig version, but I guess no one would dare release that in the current climate. Would have been better to do a 60's setting or so as it would be more time appropriate to bond being a new agent, but I guess they want make it "palatable" for a "modern audience".

Dialog is so so most of the time and most of the characters are forgettable. The gameplay is OK, mainly a worse copy of uncharted, tomb raider etc. Quite a bit of stealth and exploration with some hand to hand combat and the rare gunfights. It feels like a game that would mostly control better on a controller, rather than keyboard and mouse during fight scenes and driving scenes. Controls feel a little clunky as well when compared to uncharted, tomb raider and similar games.

So far it hovers between a 6 and 7.5 for me, depending on the level and setting. Looks like a 6.5 or 7 overall, unless it really starts to pick up in quality of level design and game play in the later levels. Probably the only non-driving game of the year, outside of GTA 6 and Doom the dark ages expansion that seemed remotely interesting to me, which is why I bought it. Like I have only bought 1 SP game in the last 12 months, so I wanted a SP experience. It kinda fulfills that need, even if it isn't amazing. Bond angle feels like it is slapped on though, so no point buying it for that part and probably would have made more sense to wait for a heavy discount for most people.
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They could have done a 60's era Bond game, but they did clearly state this was going to be a current era Bond game. 60's setting just may not have been as popular because the gadgets Bond used would seem very dated, I still would have liked it, but we might be more exception than the rule.

I find the dialog well acted but I admit I am only a 1/3 of the way into the game. However the action sequences have been pretty good so far. Driving would likely benefit from a controller, but that is true of most driving in games that are not dedicated driving sims.

7.5 would be my rating so far. It has the action going on you would expect in a Bond game, writing is decent and the acting is good. Origin stories are rarely spectacular for a known character, because their identity is already built and you have to break peoples expectations to create the person they will be. I mean Dale Earnhardt Sr. was one of the best Nascar drivers ever, but no one treated him that way until he proved he could be one of the best. He became the intimidator he didn't just walk in with that title.

In the end it's a fun game and I am looking forward to the content they plan on adding to it.
 
Gideon said:
They could have done a 60's era Bond game, but they did clearly state this was going to be a current era Bond game. 60's setting just may not have been as popular because the gadgets Bond used would seem very dated, I still would have liked it, but we might be more exception than the rule.
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Yeah, remember No One Lives Forever ? Nobody liked that game, amirite?
Gideon said:
I find the dialog well acted but I admit I am only a 1/3 of the way into the game. However the action sequences have been pretty good so far. Driving would likely benefit from a controller, but that is true of most driving in games that are not dedicated driving sims.
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What's 1/3? How do you know how long the game is? I'm 6 hours in, but have no clue if that's 1/10th or 1/2th of the game. So far the action sequences were barely interactive setpieces, besides fighting the twins in the basement and shooting your way through the airfield. That were the only two places where it truly felt like a proper game. The driving segments so far were laughably easy even with a KB.
Gideon said:
7.5 would be my rating so far. It has the action going on you would expect in a Bond game, writing is decent and the acting is good. Origin stories are rarely spectacular for a known character, because their identity is already built and you have to break peoples expectations to create the person they will be. I mean Dale Earnhardt Sr. was one of the best Nascar drivers ever, but no one treated him that way until he proved he could be one of the best. He became the intimidator he didn't just walk in with that title.
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There is a difference between earning the respect of the superiors, and being treated as trash by rando NPCs in the office. It's as if everyone has an axe to grind with this guy, which makes me think it is the staff writers who actually had an axe to grind and maliciously wrote it like this. There are no limits to the entitlement of woke writers, it doesn't even have to be mandated from the top.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Yes, pay attention to the soy boys and libtards instead. Has definitely been a winning strategy for Ubisoft and Sony.
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There are people in here crying because there was a meany woman yelling at a man. Oh, the horror! Because M is tough on a young James Bond, that automatically means it is some sort of agenda. People need to grow the fuck up.
 
TangledThornz said:
We get it, you hate modern games. The [H] here doesn't mean hate, ya know.
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And we get that you love, defend and champion trash games on behalf of billion dollar companies that couldn't give two fucks about you white knighting for them. I am glad we understand each other.

Vegas P11 said:
There are people in here crying because there was a meany woman yelling at a man. Oh, the horror! Because M is tough on a young James Bond, that automatically means it is some sort of agenda. People need to grow the fuck up.
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Cue the soy boys who delusionally think that defending these trash games is going to make them profitable.
 
M76 said:
Yeah, remember No One Lives Forever ? Nobody liked that game, amirite?
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NOLF unfortunately had very low sales, despite being a fantastic game. It is however the closest we have gotten to the feel of a James Bond movie, outside of Golden Eye on N64. NOLF took the feel of James Bond and ran with it. Silly gadgets, way over the top villains, funny dialogue and situations, a sound track that created a great atmosphere etc.

James Bond used to to be kinda silly, toungue-in-cheek, over the top, while not taking itself too seriously. After Daniel Craig become the actor, it was kind of soft rebooted to be more like the Jason Bourne movies, trying to be a lot more serious and politcally correct.

Gotten a few hours further and it still feels like you could have swapped James Bond for Nathan Drake, outside of the gameplay and controls being much worse and that the uncharted series doesn't take itself as serious. Only a few familiar names like "Q", "M" and "MoneyPenny" being mentioned, that reminds me of it being a bond game.

So far I would probably give a 7 overall after the 6th mission, but 3/10 on James Bond license integration.
 
Vegas P11 said:
There are people in here crying because there was a meany woman yelling at a man. Oh, the horror! Because M is tough on a young James Bond, that automatically means it is some sort of agenda. People need to grow the fuck up.
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I’ve played through about half the game and I still can’t figure out what is woke about it. I liked the person complaining about the guy with the shoe collection. News flash, this game is about a bunch of kids in their early/mid twenties. I know plenty of kids like that in the military with massive shoe collections, it’s a zoomer thing. A lot of boomers in here are conflating woke with just normal zoomer stuff. Makes me wonder if they have kids.
 
From reading other forums I’m seeing a lot of guys saying the game is slow to begin with, but that the pacing and action pick up dramatically in the second half.

One guy said the first half for him was a disappointing 6, but that the second half was a surprising 9.

I’ll keep this in mind when I start the game this weekend.
 
mQzz said:
some guys' life must be EXHAUSTING at this point, jesus fucking christ.

noone cares about your crusade. just hate a game and shut up already.
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Oh, you poor little snowflake, it must be so difficult to hear opinions you do not approve of.

Is it a crusade to point out writing inconsistencies and flaws? You can call it what you want, it won't change anything. I'll happily lead the crusade for better writing and more faithful adaptations.

evhvis said:
Only a few familiar names like "Q", "M" and "MoneyPenny" being mentioned, that reminds me of it being a bond game.
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They only wanted the name recognition, and didn't give a damn about actually capturing the essence of the character.

Vegas P11 said:
There are people in here crying because there was a meany woman yelling at a man. Oh, the horror! Because M is tough on a young James Bond, that automatically means it is some sort of agenda. People need to grow the fuck up.
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How about you don't try to misrepresent things? No, my criticism wasn't "meany woman yelling at a man", it was berating him where it makes zero narrative sense in context of the game and the story it's trying to tell. You might not care about consistent and meaningful story and writing, but some of us do. You clearly don't even play the game, and don't even pay attention to the topic. So why do you feel the urge to butt in?
Mchart said:
I liked the person complaining about the guy with the shoe collection. News flash, this game is about a bunch of kids in their early/mid twenties. I know plenty of kids like that in the military with massive shoe collections, it’s a zoomer thing.
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Oh, you liked that? Not enough to read it properly, I guess. Otherwise you'd have realized that I was pointing out how utterly stereotypical it is, not that nobody collects shoes.

I guess it's easy to get offended when both of you read what you want to hear, instead of what's actually there.
 
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