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Steam Deck Price Hike. top model now $949
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only reasonable way to do this, is if you can rent capacity or rent your excess if you have your own server.
They probably rent more third party capacity during peak period (for the content delivery part of the cloud), akamai for example is one of those, it is not a pure steam infracstructure play I do not imagine. If they do not rent out for game distribution itself during peak time, that what they could do.
funny, but kinda odd since he's has a net worth of over 5 billion and yet had to lay off like 1000 of his employees this year..
I don't see how you could say i did either of those things.
I'm speaking in general to users reactions here/abroad that Gabe/Valve do something like lose a dollar just to make QoL/'consumer friendliness' improvements - especially when loss of that dollar (and yes, we know it's not literally just a dollar people) would in no way put the company nor their already substantial standing/worth/profits at risk.
You suggest Gabe get the golden custom submarine instead of the platinum custom submarine and niggas act like you just told them to go kill themselves or something.
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The reality is it's a business and it's purpose is to make money. If they did stuff like that they would eventually go out of business and not exist. Gabe also doesn't own the entire company. There are infinite other things they could charitably spend their money on that would be more philanthropic than giving gamers a discount on a luxury item.
They sell a little amount of them, maybe 2 millions in a big year and they do make billions in net profit/free cash flow say 2.5-3B.
They could easily loose $150 per unit sold yes... specially if they think it can increase sales by $90 a year in average among its buyer and pay for itself by 5 years and what not....
Is that a particularly good use of money-charity ? Specially if the demand for the amount fhey make at the price they sell it is them selling them out (i.e. people that want them have a lot of money to buy them and do not need any charity), make the most profit you can and then spend it toward way better cause than on rich western gamers extra devices is not a terrible way to go at life (when it is not just putting more money into scalpers hands that you would be doing...).
They could easily loose $150 per unit sold yes... specially if they think it can increase sales by $90 a year in average among its buyer and pay for itself by 5 years and what not....
Is that a particularly good use of money-charity ? Specially if the demand for the amount fhey make at the price they sell it is them selling them out (i.e. people that want them have a lot of money to buy them and do not need any charity), make the most profit you can and then spend it toward way better cause than on rich western gamers extra devices is not a terrible way to go at life (when it is not just putting more money into scalpers hands that you would be doing...).
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They could both subsidize the Steam Deck and increase server load to prevent Steam Sale outages and still rake in billions annually. Gabe owns 50.1% or 51% of the company. They don't even let employees who leave etc sell private stock to outside investors, they buy it back from them vs allowing them to do that.
Again, just more dick riding IMO - which fine - we all favor and prefer who and what we do - but don't expect everyone to jump on it with you either.
That's good, I'm glad Valve is profitable and the guy who brought me $50 games for $5 on sale has done well with his business. None of this makes me automatically entitled to a subsidy for a portable gaming system.
Do you work for free? Can you do some work for me that I won't pay you for because I'm such a nice guy? I mean what would you really do with the money I paid you, maybe buy another GPU? You already have one! Work for me for free!
It doesn't work like that no matter how much it sucks. The market's going to decide the pricing and there's a lot of competition in that space now to sort things out. The real problem here is a part shortage. If you don't like Valve's price increase, don't buy a Steam Deck, it's that simple.
See here:
Nintendo/Sony/Xbox increase console pricing - GREED!
Nvidia increases GPU pricing - NGREEDIA!
Valve increases Steam Deck pricing:
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You're just being greedy.
The flaw in your post is that I've never accused any of those companies of simply being greedy. They're selling market goods at market prices to customers who have demonstrated they're willing to pay. I've said the same thing about Nvidia and Nintendo. I don't buy Nintendo now specifically because Valve created a much more economical alternative. If Valve stops doing that, I'll spend my money elsewhere. Valve's been pretty good so far for their customers as far as I've personally experienced in terms of providing a reasonable product for a reasonable price.
Now since you're so altruistic, please let me know your availability. I have a list of things you can do for me. I won't pay you, of course, because we know you'll just spend the money on toys and you'll feel oh-so-good doing me a favour and all.
And thus your attempted analogy keeps falling apart, because:
Now if you were to say, pay me just $3 Billion versus $4 Billion - now you have an apt analogy - what do you need done when the check clears?
Has anyone here expressed joy at the increased prices?
They get treated with kid gloves and admissive excusism, not joy - is the point I've clearly been making.
Yes, are you aware of the normal cultural understanding of how Gordon Ramsay normally reacts/behaves to things in his shows versus the contrast there and how that image is normally used and referenced?
Another one - to help you grasp the (I think obvious) contrast being presented:
No, not that particular image, except that it looked like a kid a little bit and he's very different around them.
That's why it works so well IMO as an example of the idiom 'kid gloves' to compare how gamers writ large are with Valve versus other HW and SW companies in this space, like for like.
Someone always has more then someone else.Forgive me for daring not to glaze the holy Valve/Gabe and thinking Gabe could take a loss on the Deck this late in its life to just have a custom made submarine with an 'off the shelf' support fleet instead of custom there too
You have probably done well in your life.
You down at the soup kitchen this weekend?
Maybe rent a few homeless folks a room for the night?
Gabe isn't under any obligation to give gamers money.
Valve sells a service. WE like the service. The game publishers and developers like the service.
Why does it bother you what he does with his money. lol
I don't really care buy subs, buy yahts, buy rocketships... or burn it in your fire place. Its his money.
Valve however won't exist if they try to subsidize gaming. I mean how has subsidizing gaming worked out for Microsoft?
The best you can hope for as a gamer is that when they make products like the Steam Controller, Deck, Machine, Frame... that they factor in a reasonable profit margin. They are NOT going to sell anything at cost, and frankly why should they. People are going to buy from Steam anyway. They don't need to chase anyones business.
Anyway we all sort of knew this was coming as storage costs have just not come down. It doesn't look like they are going to either. Really if things don't change would think things like the Xbox and PS will either be insane $ or they will just get pushed back release dates, and if things don't change just be cancelled. We are going to be gaming on what we got for a very long time by the look of it.
EDIT: Also remember that game streaming stuff that you mostly all reject.
hahaha The industry is going to get what they want.I never said he was.
Only that he could, and neither him nor the company would be detrimentally effected (nor even just obviously effected, save for having to choose the golden custom submarine versus the platinum custom submarine).
And look at how it made you all loose your minds to hear me suggest just that
How much do you think subsidizing the Steam Deck and renting/owning a few more servers would cost in the face of billions of net revenue?
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The last month or two all I've been playing is Pinball FX/Midnight.
I never said he was.
Only that he could, and neither him nor the company would be detrimentally effected (nor even just obviously effected, save for having to choose the golden custom submarine versus the platinum custom submarine).
And look at how it made you all loose your minds to hear me suggest just that
How much do you think subsidizing the Steam Deck and renting/owning a few more servers would cost in the face of billions of net revenue?
No one is loosing their minds accept you.
Why would any of us care what Gabe spends money on? Its his money he can do as he pleases. His money is not the companies money. Valve isn't 100% owned by Gabe, he can't just decide you know what screw it no profits for 2 years so I can subsidize some game consoles. Which will not generate more sales ?
The whole subsidy thing, in only makes sense from a business stand point IF you have locked in customers and revenue to match.
The console makers have mostly stopped subsidizing hardware. In fact I'm pretty sure no one does anymore. Even if they are titles are locked to $90... which steam has not been.
As I have explained to you already... The math is simple. If he is going to eat $400 on every deck. Then EVERY DECK must account for $1333 in sales. Yes Valve charges game developers 30%... then they pay for every download of that game FOREVER. People will be downloading that same game for years. So it remains on servers, on mirrors... eating internet costs for life. 30% is revenue not profit. We have PC gamer stats. PC gamers simply don't spend $1000+ on games every year.
Your suggestion that he should just eat the $400 per unit is frankly silly. Lets say the deck hangs around for another 2 years in its current form and sells another 1 million units. You are suggestion they just spend $400 Million dollars in cash on gamers. You have to factor in the massive difference between revenue and profit.
If Valve started acting like that they wouldn't exist for very long. Cause I mean then what they should subsidize the machine next, the frame after that... how about the $150 steam controller you probably dislike that cost as well while Gabe is working from his Yacht.
How about they sell those for $50 and eat $100 on everyone of those.... I mean they would only need sell $333 or so in games to recoup that. Based on PC gaming surveys they would recoup that 3 years or so. So why not right? Ya no one wants to pay more for the same bloody thing. It is what it is. No company can afford to just loose money. As I said earlier how did that work out for MS. If they have to push their next XBOX back for much the same reasons, my guess they just cancel the next xbox and exit the market. Turns out years of subsidizing hardware, over paying for studios and running them into the ground catches up with you even if you have all the monies.
No one is loosing their minds accept you.
Why would any of us care what Gabe spends money on? Its his money he can do as he pleases. His money is not the companies money. Valve isn't 100% owned by Gabe, he can't just decide you know what screw it no profits for 2 years so I can subsidize some game consoles. Which will not generate more sales ?
The whole subsidy thing, in only makes sense from a business stand point IF you have locked in customers and revenue to match.
The console makers have mostly stopped subsidizing hardware. In fact I'm pretty sure no one does anymore. Even if they are titles are locked to $90... which steam has not been.
As I have explained to you already... The math is simple. If he is going to eat $400 on every deck. Then EVERY DECK must account for $1333 in sales. Yes Valve charges game developers 30%... then they pay for every download of that game FOREVER. People will be downloading that same game for years. So it remains on servers, on mirrors... eating internet costs for life. 30% is revenue not profit. We have PC gamer stats. PC gamers simply don't spend $1000+ on games every year.
Your suggestion that he should just eat the $400 per unit is frankly silly. Lets say the deck hangs around for another 2 years in its current form and sells another 1 million units. You are suggestion they just spend $400 Million dollars in cash on gamers. You have to factor in the massive difference between revenue and profit.
If Valve started acting like that they wouldn't exist for very long. Cause I mean then what they should subsidize the machine next, the frame after that... how about the $150 steam controller you probably dislike that cost as well while Gabe is working from his Yacht.
Ya no one wants to pay more for the same bloody thing. It is what it is. No company can afford to just loose money. As I said earlier how did that work out for MS. If they have to push their next XBOX back for much the same reasons, my guess they just cancel the next xbox and exit the market. Turns out years of subsidizing hardware, over paying for studios and running them into the ground catches up with you even if you have all the monies.
So if Valve took a total loss on subsidizing just the recent price increase on Steam Deck totally - and rented/owned a few more servers to prevent Steam Sale outages - how much do you think it would cost them in the face of multi-billions of net annual income/revenue?
Do that math.
Valve did the math and it does not math for them. Armchair internet CFO know the numbers better then what the real management at Valve does. Valve doesn't have same purchasing power of Sony, Nintendo and MS. Valve is very niche when it comes to hardware and can't get the same volume discounts as the big 3 console manufacturers.
Scrooge McDuck would say it doesn't math for him either. Doesn't mean either or both couldn't easily afford it without going out of business as incorrectly asserted they would if doing so.
The numbers are out there to check. That's why I asked.
Valve would be out of business in a few years with you running.
Well the servers certainly wouldn't go down at the start of every seasonal sale, that's for certain - I guarantee you that
Would be worse because you won't be able to afford the servers they have nowWell the servers certainly wouldn't go down at the start of every seasonal sale, that's for certain - I guarantee you that
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Would be worse because you won't beable to afford the servers they have now
I wouldn't 'beable' for the servers I'd pay for the servers
I wouldn't 'beable' for the servers I'd pay for the servers
Why is everyone blaming Gaben when it's obvious the issue is a result of RAM/SSD supply and demand issues as a result of big tech placing all their eggs into creating a market for AI where no such market exists?
The push for AI is the problem, and given enough time I'm sure the Switch 2 as well as tech devices from a number of other manufacturers will increase proportionally should the trend regarding AI continue with no way to satisfy the demand AI is placing on fab plants.
The push for AI is the problem, and given enough time I'm sure the Switch 2 as well as tech devices from a number of other manufacturers will increase proportionally should the trend regarding AI continue with no way to satisfy the demand AI is placing on fab plants.
This would be funny if it was coming from just about anyone else.
But considering he's worth billions himself and just laid off thousands from Epic, taking a jab at Gabe seems hypocritical. At least no one is losing their jobs over at Valve. Prices of hardware have increased yes but at the end of day no one needs to buy this stuff.
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people get pay raises every year???
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Steam doesn't have a full channel to move now which Nintendo does !
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Nah it's funny no matter who does it. He doesn't own a yacht and spends his billions saving the forest and other bs. Just like Gabe he doesn't own the whole company so it's not just his money he would be wasting keeping all those people.
For the moment. The Switch 2 will increase in price should AI keep creating a supply > demand issue in relation to memory and flash storage.