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What Happened to the 9950X3Dv2?

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Are we still expecting this to drop soon? Was excited to see how this beast would actually perform.
 
learners permit said:
My guess is they turned those dies into 9850's because of thermal density limitations.
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That's doubtful. The more likely story is that they're in no rush to launch the 9950X3D2 because they're selling the current X3D chips as fast as they can make them.
 
If both chiplets had the extra cache I'd be tempted for the right price, but I think I'll just wait for the max core zen6 x3d part instead.
 
zehoo said:
If both chiplets had the extra cache I'd be tempted for the right price, but I think I'll just wait for the max core zen6 x3d part instead.
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I would say this is the prudent move if gaming performance is your primary concern. I doubt the 9950X3D2 will do anything for gaming performance over a 9950X3D. There are certain workstation and server workloads that do benefit from the X3D cache but only makes sense if you're making a dual-purpose workstation/gaming machine, IMO.
 
AVATARAT said:
As Gamers Nexus points out, the 9950X3D2 was tested by AMD two years ago, and it appears that they did not find anything useful for desktop computers. All "leaks" are likely based on these samples.
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This seems like the most likely scenario.
 
AVATARAT said:
As Gamers Nexus points out, the 9950X3D2 was tested by AMD two years ago, and it appears that they did not find anything useful for desktop computers. All "leaks" are likely based on these samples.
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There was a fresh set of leaks/rumors, saying that a CPU with two Vcache CCDs, would be announced at CES. And allegedly, some AIB's and reviewers were absolutely expecting it. But, it was pulled from the show, at the last minute.

I suspect that AMD found out that Intel would not be talking about Arrowlake refresh, or Nova Lake (next gen desktop), at CES. So, there was no reason to setup such a halo product.

I think its very possible that AMD will bring it out when Arrow Lake refresh is fully revealed. and push it as a leapfrog to next gen (gaming) performance.
 
They definitely don't need to push it out now, but there are productivity workloads that benefit from the cache so it could be a nice prosumer chip, it's just a waste of money for gamers unless they play (extensively) one of the rare titles that scale with 2 CCDs (I can count them one hand, out of all the titles that I tested... the number is 2!).

One of those titles is an absolute favourite of mine so the temptation would be real, I must admit, if only to tinker. But I really really should save money and wait for Zen6/7, especially since that game already runs more than fast enough with my 120hz OLED TV haha.
 
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chameleoneel said:
There was a fresh set of leaks/rumors, saying that a CPU with two Vcache CCDs, would be announced at CES. And allegedly, some AIB's and reviewers were absolutely expecting it. But, it was pulled from the show, at the last minute.

I suspect that AMD found out that Intel would not be talking about Arrowlake refresh, or Nova Lake (next gen desktop), at CES. So, there was no reason to setup such a halo product.

I think its very possible that AMD will bring it out when Arrow Lake refresh is fully revealed. and push it as a leapfrog to next gen (gaming) performance.
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With the next architecture—yes, because it will solve the problem of transfer/latency between CCDs (Epic use 2x Infinity Fabric). With the current architecture, it is highly doubtful how this will be achieved for desktop computers.
 
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Kwincy said:
Anyone wanna buy at 9950X3D when it releases, lol. Actually, never mind. My rig is water-cooled and it's too much of a hassle to change anything.
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That's why all my stuff is soft tubing..... super easy to change anything but the GPU without breaking down the whole loop.

Shame AMD won't open up the pbo limits on these to higher then+200 as I bet they use fairly good cores for these
 
I thought about picking one up for a few minutes. Barring something spectacular in gaming benchmarks, I expect it to function exactly like a 9950X3D in that the second CCD will be parked for most games.

More than likely the better play is to just wait for the Zen 6 X3D chips with their rumored 12 cores per CCD.
 
AVATARAT said:
Better wait for reviews first...
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Yeah, guessing a little here, but with a large cache you increase the likelihood that the data will be on the wrong ccd and that creates latency that limits the performance uplift here. I will be very interested to see how these chips are tested and to see if that effect can be carefully measured.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
Yeah, guessing a little here, but with a large cache you increase the likelihood that the data will be on the wrong ccd and that creates latency that limits the performance uplift here. I will be very interested to see how these chips are tested and to see if that effect can be carefully measured.
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that was more the case with unbalanced cache of the original 9950x3d would be my guess (the scenario would have been a thread running on the non x3d having things on the big L3 cache on the other side), now that became less likely and will be where we see the gain, less of that, threads having always a large L3 available for them on the same CCD.
 
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arestavo said:
More than likely the better play is to just wait for the Zen 6 X3D chips with their rumored 12 cores per CCD.
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This is pretty much my plan when I upgraded to AM5 last year with a 7700 that was massively discounted. And since I play at 4k most games are GPU bound.
 
LukeTbk said:
that was more the case with unbalanced cache of the original 9950x3d would be my guess (the scenario would have been a thread running on the non x3d having things on the big L3 cache on the other side), now that became less likely and will be where we see the gain, less of that, threads having always a large L3 available for them on the same CCD.
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You don't think it would be twice as likely?

You're doubling the space where data can be on a cache and those two caches should be local and independent. The kernel scheduler can ask any core to run a chunk of code.

So im imagining ccd1 is running some code and cache gets filled. Scheduler pauses that and then picks another core on the other ccd, ccd2. Kernel maps to the memory at an address on ccd1, now it has to move over to ccd2.

Before that could happen too, but it was half the problem. Not sure if doubling the cache reduces the probability problem there.

But there's a lot of technical assumptions I am making that I don't know about.

Like I said, I am very interested in the test results here.
 
I'm just sad that I won't be able to say "the only upgrade I could make is to a 5090" any longer.

But this thing will easily be $1,000.00 with prices the way they are.
 
Cirkustanz said:
I'm just sad that I won't be able to say "the only upgrade I could make is to a 5090" any longer.

But this thing will easily be $1,000.00 with prices the way they are.
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I mean...i can always find upgrades to do. Time and money are my only limitations. But i get the point you're making.
 
Cirkustanz said:
I'm just sad that I won't be able to say "the only upgrade I could make is to a 5090" any longer.

But this thing will easily be $1,000.00 with prices the way they are.
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Well just wait till next time you need a new ssd/ram everything looks like it's heading to 1990s ram/hdd price per GB so 1000 for a CPU will be seen as "cheep" vs dropping $1000 on that new 4tb nvme
 
Kwincy said:
Anyone wanna buy at 9950X3D when it releases, lol. Actually, never mind. My rig is water-cooled and it's too much of a hassle to change anything.
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Lol, know exactly what you mean. I'm planning on getting one on day 1, find and disable the weakest CCD, disable SMT, then overvolt and overclock the shit out of it. I'm hoping under this config 6ghz is possible under water. Then I realised I'll have the hassle of taking off the waterblock etc. :rolleyes: My setup isn't so bad actually, but it's still a faff, but I wouldn't want it any other way. :cool:
 
spine said:
Lol, know exactly what you mean. I'm planning on getting one on day 1, find and disable the weakest CCD, disable SMT, then overvolt and overclock the shit out of it. I'm hoping under this config 6ghz is possible under water. Then I realised I'll have the hassle of taking off the waterblock etc. :rolleyes: My setup isn't so bad actually, but it's still a faff, but I wouldn't want it any other way. :cool:
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Mine is a bit complicated:

https://hardforum.com/threads/from-the-tower-900-to-a-lian-li-dk-05f.2021859/

I'd have to remove everything from the top of the desk, remove the heavy glass, and possibly drain the system. Then I'd have to worry about breaking one of the hard tubes and refilling the system. Out of laziness, I choose not to upgrade for a long time.
 
Kwincy said:
Mine is a bit complicated:

https://hardforum.com/threads/from-the-tower-900-to-a-lian-li-dk-05f.2021859/

I'd have to remove everything from the top of the desk, remove the heavy glass, and possibly drain the system. Then I'd have to worry about breaking one of the hard tubes and refilling the system. Out of laziness, I choose not to upgrade for a long time.
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That's why I like my 1000d with Soft tubing and pullout radiator rails. Case has enough space I can leave slack coming form the front radiator feeding my cpu and going to my top rad that the only thing I have to drain it to work on is it GPU.

Hard tubing is nothing but negatives other then it looks cool and honestly I'm not sure why so many people like it.
 
arestavo said:
Man, I wonder if they are just placeholder prices. If not, AMD probably wasn't kidding about the value proposition of dual X3D caches.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryz...-early-prices-are-hopefully-just-placeholders
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I wouldn't bet against it. On the Canadian site, the 9950X3D is about $200 more expensive than the 9950X. The 9950X3D2 being $400 more expensive than the 9950X3D seems about right for the launch price of a top halo product. It'll probably settle in at $200 more expensive than the 9950X3D a few months after launch, in line with the 9950X to 9950X3D price difference, at least for Canadians.

Gap between the 9950X and 9950X3D in the US is about $150 with prices ranging from $675-700. Makes it plausible that the 9950X3D2 could launch at $1000 before settling into the $850 range.
 
Seems like the ideal purchase if you're trying to build the best possible gaming system you can right now. Otherwise, you're right smack in the middle of AMD's product cycle. The 10-series CPUs are right around the corner. Hopefully the next generation of X3D chips are along these lines either way.
 
Domingo said:
Seems like the ideal purchase if you're trying to build the best possible gaming system you can right now. Otherwise, you're right smack in the middle of AMD's product cycle. The 10-series CPUs are right around the corner. Hopefully the next generation of X3D chips are along these lines either way.
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Yeah, it smells like a "ruse". A ruse by any other name.... anyhow, I think AMD wanted to put this out there to cause hesitation. My guess, they won't make many, won't sell many. The gains are so minimal in most cases so as to not be worth the cost, which is extreme enough. It's like marginally more extreme than the current extreme. If you get my point.

And while I'll get flamed for saying AMD could have done the "full replace" (replace 9950X3D with 9950X3D2 for same price)... why? As a much much much better "ruse". A "ruse" that shows that AMD wants to make things "right". I think that would have gone farther than what they are doing. What they're doing looks like a "money grab" for the weak minded.
 
This would only make sense in a new build where it's what, $200 more than a 9950x3d? Then sure, why not. Complete waste for an upgrade, though. Zen6 probably this time next year, at that point we'll see where the cpu/gpu landscape is but that'll be about the longest I've ever gone without upgrading anything on my system....
 
sk3tch said:
Up for pre-order for those that are gonna make the move:

$999.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GTRTJSNZ

EDIT: sold out
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I don't buy CPUs form Amazon I have had 3 obviously returned CPUs sold as "new" over the years 2 where outright scams and one had paste on it still and wouldn't post.
I don't know if they are still like that but I like to buy computer hardware form anyway but Amazon if I can help it.
 
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tunatime said:
I don't buy CPUs form Amazon I have had 3 obviously returned CPUs sold as "new" over the years 2 where outright scams and one had paste on it still and wouldn't post.
I don't know if they are still like that but I like to buy computer hardware form anyway but Amazon if I can help it.
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Interesting! I’ve been lucky but maybe it’s because I only buy newly launched CPUs.
 
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