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AI in your car, to decide if you are intoxicated or distracted, required in the U.S 2026/2027

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On one hand, I would be for this, catch all the morons texting and driving, and under the influence, but, we know it will be used for more, as car makers then take said data, sell it and abuse it, insurance companies will buy it and use it to jack up rates even more...


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https://www.gadgetreview.com/federal-surveillance-tech-becomes-mandatory-in-new-cars-by-2027

Federal Surveillance Tech Becomes Mandatory in New Cars by 2027​

Infrared cameras and sensors will monitor eye movement and alertness in all new passenger vehicles starting 2026-2027


Key Takeaways
  • Federal mandate requires surveillance cameras monitoring driver alertness in new vehicles by 2027
  • Infrared sensors track eye movement and prevent ignition if impairment detected
  • Technology adds $100-500 per vehicle cost while raising biometric data privacy concerns
Your next car purchase comes with an unwelcome passenger: a federal mandate requiring surveillance technology that monitors your every blink, glance, and head nod. Thanks to Section 24220 of the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, NHTSA must finalize rules forcing all new passenger vehicles to include “advanced impaired driving prevention technology”—essentially turning your dashboard into a judgment-free zone that’s anything but judgment-free.

The Technology That’s Watching​

Infrared cameras and sensors create a constant biometric assessment of driver alertness and sobriety.
The tech involves infrared cameras mounted on steering columns or A-pillars, tracking eye movement, pupil dilation, and drowsiness patterns. Unlike the breathalyzer ignition interlocks from DUI convictions, these systems operate passively—no blowing required. Your car simply watches and decides whether you’re fit to drive.
If the AI determines you’re impaired (blood alcohol ≥0.08% or showing fatigue), it can prevent ignition startup or limit vehicle speed. Think Minority Report, but for your morning commute.

Timeline for Implementation​

The surveillance rollout targets late 2026 to 2027 for all new passenger vehicles.
While NHTSA’s final rule faced delays beyond the November 2024 deadline, automakers will still get 2-3 years for full implementation once regulations are finalized. Your current vehicle stays surveillance-free, but shopping for a 2027 model means accepting this digital copilot.
The timing coincides with broader automotive software integration, making these systems potentially updatable through over-the-air patches—expanding monitoring capabilities post-purchase.

Privacy and Cost Concerns Mount​

Data collection worries combine with $100-500 per vehicle cost increases passed to consumers.
The privacy implications extend beyond federal oversight. While the law doesn’t mandate external data sharing, manufacturers could potentially upload biometric data to corporate servers, raising concerns about sharing with insurance companies to adjust your premiums based on driving behavior.
The technology adds significant costs—estimates range from $100-500 per vehicle—that automakers will inevitably pass to consumers already struggling with inflated car prices.

Industry Pushback Intensifies​

Automakers oppose the mandate citing technical readiness concerns and sales impact fears.
Car manufacturers argue the technology remains unreliable, warning of false positives that could strand drivers. They’re concerned about customer backlash and potential sales declines as buyers seek older, unmonitored vehicles.
The federal government promises this surveillance saves 9,000-10,000 lives annually. Whether that justifies your car becoming a mobile panopticon depends on how much vehicle autonomy you’re willing to trade for theoretical safety gains. Your driving privacy expires with your current car’s lifespan.
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Someone will find out a way to trivially cheat this and it's going to be worthless in 5 seconds of effort.

Along that line, I doubt the true purpose of this existing is actually what it's advertised as
 
it was end of covid in 2021 and what not, but still flew quite under my radarr, with how good cars will be at driving themselve we should start to relex such laws not enchance them...
 
There's gonna be a market for holographic 3d shadow boxes to glue in front of the cameras inside cars. Anybody know any good companies to invest in?
 
Unfortunately most new cars already have this. I'm not 100% sure, but I get the impression it has been a regulatory requirement in Europe for some time now.

My 2017 Volvo had it, sounding a "bing" and displaying a coffee cup at me on the dash when it thought I was tired (I wasn't) and needed a break from driving. (I didn't)

My 2025 Audi has it as well. As does my better halfs 2025 VW.

So now they point cameras mounted in our own cars surveilling us while we are driving, and who knows who they are selling the data they collect to. That's not creepy at all.

They are - of course - hidden behind glass or in cracks or crevices. I guess they think if we can't see them it makes the whole thing less creepy (it doesn't. Possibly it makes it more so). But they are there, pointed at your face all the time. Lucid even uses the face cameras with facial recognition to determine who is driving the car. They claim it is a convenience feature and use it to automatically adjust seats, mirrors, steering wheel position and other car settings to remember the driver, but that is just a cover for mass surveillance and the collection of valuable sellable data.

Given how inaccurate this technology is, I wonder how many people are being fucked over by their cars selling data to Lexis-Nexis (where all the auto insurers look you up before giving you a quote) falsely saying that you regularly drive impaired, because the stupid AI camera system thinks your head movements or the way you yawn make you look that way.

It's a fucking dystopia. It's nothing but a thinly veiled excuse for mass surveillance. It is hurting honest people, and it needs to end.

As a society we need to learn and accept that "safety" does not exist. It is an illusion of a theoretical concept, a figment of our imagination. Wishful thinking - if you will. Life has inherent risks, and any dystopian encroachments on our liberties in the name of "safety" are just plain evil.
 
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That's interesting. I struggled with epilepsy for many years and tried over a dozen different medications before finding a combo that worked well for me. During that journey I went through quite a number of medications that had noticeably negative cognitive side-effects, many far surpassing the impairment that you would get from something like marijuana for example. What I found most interesting is that on every one of these medications, it didn't say to not drive. Instead, it simply said, "Don't drive until you're familiar with how this medication affects you". Implying that, apparently fully at your own discretion, it's okay to drive while under the influence of these drugs. I wonder what the AI interlock will think?
 
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No thank you. More and more of this is just collecting data. All the time. "It's private". Until it's not. Which happens all the fucking time.

While I do agree people drinking and driving is a disgrace and a problem, I don't think this is the solution. This is pure monitoring and collecting of data in disguise as "think of the children".
 
Lakados said:
Wasn’t this part of the stuff Trump repealed?
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I really hope so. This is definitely not a good idea. I know that he did get rid of the regulation for the auto-stop, which makes me happy. I hate that thing.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Given how inaccurate this technology is, I wonder how many people are being fucked over by their cars selling data to Lexis-Nexis (where all the auto insurers look you up before giving you a quote) falsely saying that you regularly drive impaired, because the stupid AI camera system thinks your head movements or the way you yawn make you look that way.
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those kind of laws (the one here), make commercial use of data illegal by the car makers, not sure how well enforced.

But it will be used in case of accidents for sure by procurers (they could easily not record and store any of them would they want otherwise...)

Ur_Mom said:
While I do agree people drinking and driving is a disgrace and a problem, I don't think this is the solution.
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by 2028 self driving tech could be the solution, but I fear no jurisdiction outside China will have you can be drunk if you have x level of autonomy anytime soon.
 
MrGuvernment said:
Just add it as something else Trump said he would not do, and decided to do it anyways...
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that clearly in the hands of congress no ?(which make it really hard for anything to happen about it, it was passed as a law years ago not an executive tricks)
 
Will they at least mandate it in all police vehicles? I've lost track how many dash cam videos we have of cops in accidents not wearing their seatbelts. More safety nonsense to spy on people, sell data and lower insurance rates.
 
It is possible that it become really hard to car maker to moneytise any of this and the already previous data they get (outside training their own model maybe):
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/6687/text

A manufacturer of a motor vehicle shall provide to a motor vehicle owner secure access to, and joint control of, any motor vehicle data of the motor vehicle of such motor vehicle owner as follows:

Without any restriction or limitation with respect to the manner in which such motor vehicle owner, for any lawful purpose—
(A) uses such motor vehicle data; or
(B) authorizes access to or use of such motor vehicle data by a third party,

(6) In a manner that facilitates the deletion of any user data stored in such motor vehicle.

GM did get hit by the FTC for sharing harsh breaking data to insurer this year:
https://www.pearlcohen.com/ftc-fina...inalized,of vehicles without consumer consent.

This law here came my MADD and other anti drunk driving advocacy group quite directly (https://madd.org/the-halt-act-is-the-law-the-technology-exists-so-why-the-delay/), this can be a case of real (which is really common) thinking about the children, there is an actual massive passionated lobby here, 40,000 death a year, almost all are preventable human error, hundreds of thousand of family with a death person pushing that kind of stuff.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
My 2017 Volvo had it, sounding a "bing" and displaying a coffee cup at me on the dash when it thought I was tired (I wasn't) and needed a break from driving. (I didn't)
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My 2017 rav4 does this too, I assumed it was due to driving nonstop for many hours and not related to actual inputs from driver, i.e. biometrics, but it may be related to if you swerve or not
Zarathustra[H] said:
My 2025 Audi has it as well. As does my better halfs 2025 VW.

So now they point cameras mounted in our own cars surveilling us while we are driving, and who knows who they are selling the data they collect to. That's not creepy at all.
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Depends if they're phoning home the information, which I can't imagine they would do on such a large scale ... whoops cell tower is overloaded because there's a bazillion cars in a big traffic jam.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Old cars, best cars.

I only own and love old cars.

Some of them even start!
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Disagree... partially. Back up camera is the best invention since the automatic transmission for cars. Makes it so much easier to parallel park in tight spots, and if your car has parking radar the front is covered too.
 
Truly autonomous cars can't come fast enough. I wouldn't own a car for daily use at that point- my cars would either be specific purpose or nostalgia cars, both old enough to not have telemetry nonsense.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Disagree... partially. Back up camera is the best invention since the automatic transmission for cars. Makes it so much easier to parallel park in tight spots, and if your car has parking radar the front is covered too.
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No problem, I put a back up camera on my RX-3 and it's pretty frickin sweet. There's a few companies that make radar kits for cars, too.

Now I'm just waiting for an engine from Australia. Then it will even GO backwards without having to push it.
 
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