Something to note to others about liquid cooling

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Ok, its 2025, where we have the lowest level of consumer protection against fraud. This includes the computing hardware industry where there is counterfeit products, poorly designed power connectors because the manufacturing of them are cheaper than using the correct contacts and preventing fire hazards, and lastly poorly designed liquid cooling systems which is the topic.

AIO systems are incorrectly designed. You have no place for the coolant to expand, plus all commercial coolants used start breaking down 30 months after its first use and was always recommended to change the coolant out in the system every 2-3 years. So an AIO is basically ewaste after 2-3 years because they made it unserviceable.
 
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it is 2025, and thats not right. was there a question or you need help with something or just making an incorrect statement?
 
pendragon1 said:
it is 2025, and thats not right. was there a question or you need help with something or just making an incorrect statement?
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Its a real statement. The computing industry is contaminated by corporations aimed to rip the user off with poor quality products and inadequate designs. Look at those junk $500 motherboards they build these days that shouldn't be more than $200.

Also how you are going to change fluid in an all in one since coolant only really last 2-3 years. It does break down chemically over time if you didn't know that.
 
pendragon1 said:
"real statement", but not true.
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Oh its quite true.
And the ripoff industries are making liquid cooling unpopular because of their bad designed aimed at ripping people off. Just like power supplies with their fire hazard connector that violates all electrical codes on this planet.
They build it to fail and take the computer out. Its the only logical reason why they are not built like industrial cooling solutions the original DIY cooling sector model off of. Because 20 years ago everyone would be calling their AIO designs junk.
 
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Yeah man, it's the government trying to keep us nerds down. Total conspiracy,

The caste system in the U.S. divides people into different social classes based on their cpu preferences and restricts their opportunities and freedoms.
Fanboi-ism and geek discrimination prevent pc hobbyists from advancing in the workplace, accessing healthcare, or participating in lan parties.
All of this and more, and to top it off, they apparently are trying to steal 2025 from us!


It's utter chaos, vote with your wallet folks.....
 
DogsofJune said:
Yeah man, it's the government trying to keep us nerds down. Total conspiracy,
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Government is a different story all together; even though on the surface it looks interconnected. What those people fear is anyone dissolving their divide in political ideology they created.

But water blocks that have plastic pieces and a built in pump was designed to leak a few years down the road around the same time the coolant breaks down.
 
potential bad things being overhyped. ive got a couple aios from the FX era still working fine. the only one ive ever had fail, got clogged from being overheated on an fx 9000something(they thought 120mm was enough lol). it ran fine until i ripped it apart to use as a block on my rx 6700 (g12 adapted). pump still works fine if i plug it in...
 
I'm using 4+ years old coolant and it seems fine.

But I agree that AIOs are landfiller.
 
I feel lot and lot of people have 3 years+ old AIO working perfectly fine (and considering for how long they have been popular we would not need to guess about their lifetime expectancy by now)... I also really doubt they made watercooling less popular overall, my bet is that they made it way more mainstream than before.
 
cyberblogger said:
Ok, its 2024, where we have the lowest level of consumer protection against fraud. This includes the computing hardware industry where there is counterfeit products, poorly designed power connectors because the manufacturing of them are cheaper than using the correct contacts and preventing fire hazards, and lastly poorly designed liquid cooling systems which is the topic.

AIO systems are incorrectly designed. You have no place for the coolant to expand, plus all commercial coolants used start breaking down 30 months after its first use and was always recommended to change the coolant out in the system every 2-3 years. So an AIO is basically ewaste after 2-3 years because they made it unserviceable.
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It is ironic for you to think it's 2024 on 4/20
 
The AIO in my old X99 system that has been in service since late 2014, that has had the same 240mm AIO in it since, disagrees fully with this thread. As a matter of fact, I have used AIO's exclusively ever since and have had 0 issues to date with any of them.
 
I went with an AIO for my newest build. I have a couple in family members machines that I built 7-8 years ago, and they're still going strong so I figured why not.
 
My current AIO is 6 years old and on it's 5th CPU (5820k, 3900X, 5900X, 5800X3D, 9800X3D). Still working fine. I'm currently using an old HP Ivy Bridge-E system as my HTPC. It came with a small stock AIO that is at least 10 years old now, and still working fine.

With that said, I have had plenty of AIOs fail over the years. Pumps can fail, leaks can happen, coolant can evaporate (tiny "leaks" can dramatically accelerate evaporation even if no fluid actually leaks), clogs, corrosion, etc. Lots of moving parts and points of failure. That's why I don't put AIOs in systems that I build for other people unless it's really needed and I make sure they understand the risk.

But to act like they will automatically expire after 2-3 years is just silly and obviously wrong.
 
DoubleTap said:
I'm using 4+ years old coolant and it seems fine.

But I agree that AIOs are landfiller.
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And air coolers aren't? Honestly, they are only good for a couple of sockets and sometimes only for a couple generations of CPU. Same as anything else.
 
Dan_D said:
And air coolers aren't? Honestly, they are only good for a couple of sockets and sometimes only for a couple generations of CPU. Same as anything else.
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I think the main difference is that if you keep the same system for 10+ years (like many non-enthusiasts do), you're guaranteed to never have to change-out an air cooler. But with an AIO, it's a roll of the dice.

If the only issue you have with a particular cooler is that it doesn't support a new socket, you could still use it in a different/older system, pass it on to a friend, sell it, etc.
 
GotNoRice said:
I think the main difference is that if you keep the same system for 10+ years (like many non-enthusiasts do), you're guaranteed to never have to change-out an air cooler. But with an AIO, it's a roll of the dice.

If the only issue you have with a particular cooler is that it doesn't support a new socket, you could still use it in a different/older system, pass it on to a friend, sell it, etc.
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It's not guaranteed. I've seen all manner of retention mechanisms break and heat pipes fail. Yes, its less likely but not impossible. While there are some people who might run a 10+ year old system this really isn't the norm. An air cooler becomes just as obsolete as an AIO in the same amount of time. Not to mention, huge air coolers that work well tend to come with their own issues. Blocking memory slots being the most common annoyance.
 
Did we all forget fans failing on air coolers back in the day even when cleaned properly? Sure, minor compared to AIO parts (and way less expensive), but the noise on those things as they started to go.... ughhhhh.... horrible memories. :ROFLMAO: Some of the new AIO's have so many nice features too. May not be for everyone, but the newer ones seem to run a lot quieter, have cool lighting, and I got one with a screen on it as well that I have come to love putting custom gif's on along with temperature information.
 
geeee, moving parts fail?! say it aint so.
i hope mr blogger's getting some good material from all the corrections...
 
III_Slyflyer_III said:
Did we all forget fans failing on air coolers back in the day even when cleaned properly? Sure, minor compared to AIO parts (and way less expensive), but the noise on those things as they started to go.... ughhhhh.... horrible memories. :ROFLMAO: Some of the new AIO's have so many nice features too. May not be for everyone, but the newer ones seem to run a lot quieter, have cool lighting, and I got one with a screen on it as well that I have come to love putting custom gif's on along with temperature information.
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Some coolers essentially use the same fans as an AIO or any random case fan. However, air coolers like the stock Intel and AMD ones or anything with a proprietary fan/shroud setup basically goes in the trash when it shits the bed. As I said, air coolers are just as disposable as everything else computer related.
 
DogsofJune said:
Yeah man, it's the government trying to keep us nerds down. Total conspiracy,

The caste system in the U.S. divides people into different social classes based on their cpu preferences and restricts their opportunities and freedoms.
Fanboi-ism and geek discrimination prevent pc hobbyists from advancing in the workplace, accessing healthcare, or participating in lan parties.
All of this and more, and to top it off, they apparently are trying to steal 2025 from us!


It's utter chaos, vote with your wallet folks.....
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I don't remember this. Was I drunk? Damn....
 
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