Plasma is still beautiful and it's image quality rivals any modern tech!

l88bastard said:
Yea I had to cut some eyecandy down in halo infinite to get a steady 190-200 fps on my 4090....this display has definitely made me want a 5090.

I hope they also add more bandwidth so we can run 3 4k240 displays at the same time because 4090 is currently limited to 2.
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You guys are too H.A.R.D.!
 
cesarioFL71 said:
You guys are too H.A.R.D.!
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Plasma is still the shit. There's a TV repair place locally that sells them at a decent price. They fix them up. I will probably contact them to upgrade to a 65 inch model. We moved into a new house since getting our 51-inch Samsung and it's a little small in the room that it's occupying. Needs to be bigger. Yes, that's totally what she said.
 
cesarioFL71 said:
Close but not quite there......"crt like" is still not crt! :)
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It's close enough for me. 4ms OLED BFI looked promising but it seems that manufacturers have largely abandoned it. Yes, there's the 120hz BFI monitor that ASUS is pushing out but that's the exception not the rule, and it's locked to 120hz only.

Still, plasma is a far cry from 60hz sample and hold so I'll take what I can get.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
It's close enough for me. 4ms OLED BFI looked promising but it seems that manufacturers have largely abandoned it. Yes, there's the 120hz BFI monitor that ASUS is pushing out but that's the exception not the rule, and it's locked to 120hz only.

Still, plasma is a far cry from 60hz sample and hold so I'll take what I can get.
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I agree. Plasma is as close as it gets to crt and that's enough for me!
 
jbltecnicspro said:
I still need to play that game. Looks gorgeous and has that Far Cry 3 gameplay (more or less).
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The only thing Far Cry 4 lacked was a good villian like Vaas. In terms of gameplay it's a more polished version of Far Cry 3. Truth be told I can hop onto a 4 wheeler and drive around for 20 minutes and not kill a single thing. I just love the scenery! :)
 
cesarioFL71 said:
Close but not quite there......"crt like" is still not crt! :)
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I don't recall being all that gobsmacked by the motion clarity of my plasma when I had it......perhaps I was too spoiled by my FW900 at the time to take plasmas 60hz serious...I dunno..

Also, I don't think 60hz plasma is a better motion clarity experience vs the 240hz 4k oleds...I guess I am going to have to come over and test :)
 
l88bastard said:
I don't recall being all that gobsmacked by the motion clarity of my plasma when I had it......perhaps I was too spoiled by my FW900 at the time to take plasmas 60hz serious...I dunno..

Also, I don't think 60hz plasma is a better motion clarity experience vs the 240hz 4k oleds...I guess I am going to have to come over and test :)
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I couldn't say as I have no experience with a 240hz oled. That said my plasmas have less motion blur than my former C2 oled and is on par with any of my crts. It's the ultra-low-persistence phosphors that make all the difference.


These quotes from Mark Rejhon of Blur Busters match up with my experiences with the TH-60PF50U exactly. Granted, he's a proponent of OLED now, and rightly so, these quotes demonstrate that the TH-60PF50U and it's siblings of the 2012-2013 professional monitor stack were the real alternatives to crt at the time.

" Another possible strobe backlight option is Sony's Motionflow "Impulse" strobe backlight, which flickers like a 60Hz CRT and eliminates three-quarters of motion blur in a lower-lag manner without using interpolation. Another option is a Panasonic NeoPlasma panel, which has CRT-like motion clarity (ultra-low-persistence phosphor). If your budgets are big, and ultralow-motion-blur gaming is your thing, test these out at the stores -- Especially fast panning motion such as www.testufo.com/#test=photo ...

The CRT-like / LightBoost-like video gaming abilities (with less color compromises) of these displays are rather impressive.

-- Sony Motionflow "Impulse" (low-lag interpolation-free, unlike other motionflow modes)
HX920 Series, HX923 Series, HX925 Series, HX929 Series, XBR-55HX950, XBR-65HX950, KDL-47W802A (Budget), KDL-55w802A (Budget), KDL-55W900A, W905A Series, XBR-55X900A (4K Ultra), XBR-65X900A (4K Ultra)

-- Panasonic NeoPlasma panels; ultra-low-persistence plasmas
42PF50U, 50PF50U, 60PF50U, 65PF50U, 42BT300U, 50BT300U, 65VX300U


https://hardforum.com/threads/fw900-killer-panasonic-plasma-monitor-42pf50u.1776972/page-2
 
l88bastard said:
I don't recall being all that gobsmacked by the motion clarity of my plasma when I had it......perhaps I was too spoiled by my FW900 at the time to take plasmas 60hz serious...I dunno..

Also, I don't think 60hz plasma is a better motion clarity experience vs the 240hz 4k oleds...I guess I am going to have to come over and test :)
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It wouldn't surprise me if a 240hz OLED's 4ms of persistence blur did turn out to be better than plasma. My plasma screen's motion quality at 60hz with the Test UFO at default speeds resemble a 120hz sample and hold motion clarity but with a tad more motion clarity. So not 4ms but better than 8ms. However, the benefit of plasma here is that it almost delivers that motion clarity without requiring me to drive it to 240hz to achieve it. If I hooked my Wii U into one of these OLEDs then I'm stuck with 60hz sample and hold. Whereas with the plasma, I'm enjoying probably ~6ms image persistence. Not as good as the best OLEDs and definitely not up to CRT but nowhere near 16.7ms of persistence either (in fact the math works out to almost 3x the motion clarity). Being able to just hook any old device up - my PC, game console - doesn't matter, and enjoy that level of motion clarity is worth the tradeoff in raw performance.

TLDR - if you have the right hardware to reach cruising altitude then the OLED will probably be better, in terms of motion performance. For me, the added versatility of plasma is worth the tradeoff of not having all the other benefits of OLED at this time.
 
Yea if I could find a TH-60PF50U for a reasonable price id def pick one up for retro and console gaming.....but only plasmas i can find on market place and craigslist are the ones with 200ms moon lag...its one of those things you gotta be out there looking for every day or get lucky.

Yea....powering 4k240 is not exactly practical for 99.9% of people lol
 
Yeah, coming down to earth now.... Plasma "still beautiful".... plasma, not easily obtained.

Also, I did post about "original plasma" where you have massive, massive, massive burn in. Again our 40" (??) was like $50K at the time (NEC I believe). Lot of money for a fairly low res display ... that was ruined through use.
 
cjcox said:
Yeah, coming down to earth now.... Plasma "still beautiful".... plasma, not easily obtained.

Also, I did post about "original plasma" where you have massive, massive, massive burn in. Again our 40" (??) was like $50K at the time (NEC I believe). Lot of money for a fairly low res display ... that was ruined through use.
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Yes. Plasma tech had a lot of progression in its lifetime. No doubt. I had an older Sony 50 inch from 2005 and the quality difference between it and my low-to-mid Samsung was night and day. And that’s not just pixel resolution.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Yes. Plasma tech had a lot of progression in its lifetime. No doubt. I had an older Sony 50 inch from 2005 and the quality difference between it and my low-to-mid Samsung was night and day. And that’s not just pixel resolution.
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Yes. Huge difference in performance and anti burn in qualities between the cerca 2005 models and the very last gen panels.
 
l88bastard said:
That's what I was reminded of when I saw your setup...I'd like to do this with three 115" miniled 4ks and create an imax experience.
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That is going to be epic! I can attest that even with my 60in x3 setup that movie watching is excellent. My wife and I enjoyed the entire Conjuring series this past weekend and she loves it....bezels and all! 😀
 
jbltecnicspro said:
I used to show off my GDM CRT monitors with this game. Absolutely gorgeous.
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I will miss the days of the glorious "GDM" line of Sony crt monitors. It will be a very sad day indeed when someday in the near future, we realize the very last of it's kind has given up the ghost and powered on for the very last time. :(
 
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cesarioFL71 said:
I will miss the days of the glorious "GDM" line of Sony crt monitors. It will be a very sad day indeed when someday in the near future, we realize the very last of it's kind has given up the ghost, and powered on for the very last time. :(
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Only a matter of time. I was driving home and explaining to my kids what analog TV was like "back in the day". There's lots of old stuff that children today have virtually no exposure to anymore. Sad.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Only a matter of time. I was driving home and explaining to my kids what analog TV was like "back in the day". There's lots of old stuff that children today have virtually no exposure to anymore. Sad.
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Something like this that kids today have no clue how fun this was for a child in the 70's. What a treat on a rainy day with nothing else but board games as an option. :)
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Enemy Front WW2 FPS using Cryengine. It's not too bad actually considering it's from City Interactive. I remember back in the 2007 -2009 era when CI games were just pure garbage so was pleasantly surprised by this one. Not the best FPS but far from the worst!
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