SCSI-Terminator
Gawd
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I smell a lawsuit coming, since it can't realistically operate anywhere near its advertised specs.
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I smell a lawsuit coming, since it can't realistically operate anywhere near its advertised specs.
Form over function.
the laws of thermodynamics dont change for anyone not even apple you what a fast CPU and more cores your going to have make a bigger cooling solution for it you cant keep making it smaller
AIDA64 showed 99c across all cores after 3 seconds at 3.7Ghz
Nope.Wow, that's some shitty fucking cooling system on that machine, good lord.
Nope. Take a look at the inspiron 7000 15, it has all the cooling it can have for that size and weight. Even Dell has to abide by the laws of thermodynamics.
Did they expect it to throttle less? It's a hotter chip.
Apple isn't the only one to blame here, unfortunately.
This is the very reason why Apple ditched powerPC for Intel
99C in 3-5 seconds? Wow, that's some shitty fucking cooling system on that machine, good lord. I have an older Core i7-2820qm laptop and it idles at 50C but if I hit it with wPrime32 for 1 million places it takes 20+ seconds to get to 96C. I would think modern machines were far more capable and ran cooler, guess I was wrong.
I smell a lawsuit coming, since it can't realistically operate anywhere near its advertised specs.
Isn't this just another iteration of bad internal TIM on the CPU? Intel is known for this. Apple should have planned accordingly for Intel's poor internal TIM application.
I haven't followed closely, but apparently there are plenty of PC OEMs struggling with this on the same CPU.
Apple switched to Intel because Motorola told them they (meaning Motorola) was getting out of the PowerPC CPU production game in favor of doing the mobile thing as their focus, and when IBM took over the manufacturing process they weren't willing to do business with Apple for obvious reasons. In that instance, IBM did something it never had done before: it let the personal side of Apple always giving IBM the finger interfere with actual business.
Apple had no choice but to switch to Intel but that wasn't a problem because they had been developing an x86-based version of their desktop OS for 7 years prior to the first Intel Developer Kit being produced.
As for Apple creating their own desktop/laptop x86/x64 processors, we'll see what happens. So far I'm not convinced they're going to do that, it would require a pretty significant alteration to macOS itself but who knows, they love giving the world the finger and doing whatever they want anyway, it might just happen.
My point is I've never heard of a processor heating up practically to Tjmax in 3 seconds and having the actual heatsink/heatpipe assembly attached to it. Typically you'd only see that kind of spike if there was absolutely no heatsink or heatpipe attached to the CPU assembly. If it's heating up that fast then it's a shitty cooling system, in my opinion.
There's no way the HSF/HP is preventing it from going above 99C that fast so, it should be keeping the temps below that for a sustained period of time as it increases to something close to it, at least. 3 seconds, geez, that's horrible performance from the cooling system, almost non-existent.
I want to see someone like Dell come out with a aluminum shell laptop as thick as it needs to be to support a good 6 or 8 core processor with dedicated graphics and a display that rocks the world.
Oh wait.. that's called an Alienware laptop. (other than the astetics of the aluminum shell.) A solid business laptop as well would be appreciated.
I want to see someone like Dell come out with a aluminum shell laptop as thick as it needs to be to support a good 6 or 8 core processor with dedicated graphics and a display that rocks the world.
Oh wait.. that's called an Alienware laptop. (other than the astetics of the aluminum shell.) A solid business laptop as well would be appreciated.
Honest question here, what kind of industry requires massive amounts of computational power and on-the-go mobility besides specific scientific and military applications?
Yeah, adding an extra half an inch, some fins attached to the heatsink and a little blower is such a complex process...
What they are struggling with is deciding if they want to sacrifice aesthetics and the "OMG SO THINZZ" marketing for a properly functioning product. Apple obviously didn't struggle with this problem for too long...
Or they could just downclock it or use a smaller CPU that won't throttle after 3 seconds of 100% load. But then the marketing guys would cry.
This is the kind of B.S. that happens when the Sales/Marketing people are allowed to tell the Engineering wing what to do instead of the Engineering team building the best possible product and the Sales/Marketing team having to come up with how to present it.
So when presented with facts and actual data they choose to attack the messenger. interesting, must be a sign of the timesKind of funny, on apple websites, they (apple fanbois) are going to the "go to" defense, which is to attack the person and not the argument.
Whose fault is it that they put a cpu in there with more tdp than their cooling can handle if not theirs?Did they expect it to throttle less? It's a hotter chip.
Apple isn't the only one to blame here, unfortunately.
For MacBook Pro owners? #1 reason?
4K or higher video rendering which is why every time you see them talking about performance on a MacBook Pro they show rendering times with either Final Cut or Adobe Premiere and hardly ever any other benchmark. Those are basically the two benchmarks that matter on the macOS platform which is exactly what the video in the OP does too because it really is the only performance metric that matters for most professionals on that platform.
Whose fault is it that they put a cpu in there with more tdp than their cooling can handle if not theirs?
In the form of a mini fridge.
I understand this is an Apple thread, but let's try and keep this in perspective:Yeah, adding an extra half an inch, some fins attached to the heatsink and a little blower is such a complex process...
What they are struggling with is deciding if they want to sacrifice aesthetics and the "OMG SO THINZZ" marketing for a properly functioning product. Apple obviously didn't struggle with this problem for too long...
Or they could just downclock it or use a smaller CPU that won't throttle after 3 seconds of 100% load. But then the marketing guys would cry.
This is the kind of B.S. that happens when the Sales/Marketing people are allowed to tell the Engineering wing what to do instead of the Engineering team building the best possible product and the Sales/Marketing team having to come up with how to present it.
Too bad Apple didn't patent a USB C dongle fan... https://www.amazon.com/USB-C-Flexib...UTF8&qid=1531923895&sr=8-8&keywords=usb+c+fan
I mean it sucks to be one of the 10 or 12 people who bought an i9 laptop, but I mean, really, an i9 laptop? What is the expression? Something about a fool, his money and his hair?
Yeah, sure, apple did apple things, but someone had to buy an i9 laptop that's 15mm thick and expect that they're getting value out of the i9.