New MacBook Pro i9 Slower than the old MacBook Pro i7

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  1. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    David Lee is upset about the Intel i9 in the new MacBook Pro 15 throttling when using its cores to the fullest. He shows us this happening in the video below. And then he goes as far as putting it in the freezer for testing. (I like this guy.) Bottom line is that the 2017 MacBook Pro i7 is faster than the 2018 MacBook Pro i9....unless you put it in the freezer. At least are you Alaskan Apple fans are in the clear.

    Check out the video.

    Dave2D review of the 2018 15" Apple Macbook Pro. The Core i9 runs hot and throttles harder than any of the MacBooks I've ever used.
     
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  2. Trepidati0n

    Trepidati0n [H]ardForum Junkie

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    This is a feature...ya know.
     
  3. kirbyrj

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    Shouldn't that be the other way around?

    Oh yeah.. gotta love Apple /s
     
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  5. auntjemima

    auntjemima Hand Jobs Legend

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    Did they expect it to throttle less? It's a hotter chip.

    Apple isn't the only one to blame here, unfortunately.
     
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  6. BobBobsonJr

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    Safety feature, apple doesn't want your lap to get too hot.
     
  7. Elios

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  8. Elios

    Elios [H]ardness Supreme

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    pretty sure they are they know the TPD of the parts they could made the cooling better but they didnt
     
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    zkostik Gawd

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    I'm not surprised at all. This is pretty much an issue with all thin and light laptops that get a quad or high end gpu (15" MacBook are probably some of the worst offenders and get blistering hot and very loud). I keep telling folks at work that look at workstations that fat laptops are fat for a reason and there's no magic about thin laptops, it's all physics and heat has to go somewhere. This probably also explains why Apple put a gimpy graphics in that laptop, if they put something better it would just melt down. I'm not sure why someone who needs a serious work laptop cares that it's a bit thinner, this is a great example that you just can't have it all.
     
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  10. auntjemima

    auntjemima Hand Jobs Legend

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    HOW?!

    Have you seen how small that laptop is? I am surprised they can cool anything in that small of an enclosure.

    Really, to solve this issue they should have never offered the i9 at all.
     
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  11. Kwaz

    Kwaz Whine & Cheezy

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    Exactly.

    How in the world they didn't think it would not be severely throttled under load I don't get.

    What a dumb move.
     
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  12. djoye

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    Form over function.
     
  13. vegeta535

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    That 1mm thinner laptop is more important.
     
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    Lol... so, they finally make a new and improved MacBook and.... it can't even hit base clocks and slower than the generation that it replaces? so much for that :p
     
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    Could just put an Atom based Pentium in them, lol. I have one (an HP x360). Tad slow (SSD helped A LOT over HPs shitty 5400rpm spinner), but runs cool as can be.
     
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    Wow. Just wow.

    *Golf clap
     
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    I don't like Apple but I read that Dell XPS has the same issue with i9 vs i7. i9 is basically just a few hundred mhz higher clocked chip, it doesn't have more cores like the desktop version, so once it throttles it's equal or worse to i7.
     
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    But the hard drive! Hahha
     
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    Kyle_Bennett - pretty sure this guy means there's a typo in the article, and if he doesn't mean it, I do.
     
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    I get the feeling that the base of the new macbook probably has some oddly placed and shaped rubber pads on it and that Apple sells a proprietary laptop cooler to go with the new macbook.
     
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    LOL so what??

    it is meeting its design goal.. to look impressive on ads, and to allow apple to say.. hey.. we ARE updating the line..see.. a new i9 laptop.



    when you look at it from that angle..it makes complete sense
     
  23. Tiberian

    Tiberian DILLIGAFuck

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    >spend $6000+ to get less performance than the previous generation product

    Now watch "professionals" go on the Apple defense over this fast. Seriously, just watch, it'll happen.
     
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    I really hate the thin laptop trend, everything in them is a compromise. Unfortunately if they would have released a faster, slightly thicker model, the public would have lost their shit. Much more so than their new "faster" thinner model throttling under full load.

    I have no trouble traveling with my old thick ass 8560p everyday for work.
     
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    In the form of a mini fridge.
     
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    I want to see someone like Dell come out with a aluminum shell laptop as thick as it needs to be to support a good 6 or 8 core processor with dedicated graphics and a display that rocks the world.

    Oh wait.. that's called an Alienware laptop. (other than the astetics of the aluminum shell.) A solid business laptop as well would be appreciated.
     
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    So Apple (and probably other laptop manufacturers) produce a powerful laptop that can't be run to its full potential because of heat issues. Why are they allowed to do this? If an auto manufacturer produced a car that had overheating issues in every single unit produced they would recall it. Hell they issue recalls on cars for less than that. Most of the people buying the new i9 MBP probably just assume it's faster and never do any real testing or comparing.
     
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  28. Darunion

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    Holding it wrong?

    Better yet, with a subscription service they will increase the fan speed and give you 'bonus performance'.
     
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    The difference here is if a car engine overheats, the engine will eventually break. In the case of a CPU, thermal throttling will prevent any lasting damage.

    So yeah, under US law nothing "wrong" is being done.
     
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    So, I'm thinking use a 2018 Macbook Pro i9 outside in the summer in Phoenix is a non-starter?

    Yep. Look at these lame specs for 15" Macbook Pros: Operating temperature: 50° to 95° F. (Specs)

    So outdoors during the winter in most places is out, too.
    Macbook Pro : a laptop for indoors only.
     
  31. Elios

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    OR made it thicker / bigger
     
  32. auntjemima

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    Regress?! Not likely. Apple would rather close its doors than go back on the thinness of their devices.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Apple is to blame in this, Intel give them a TDP range to play with and they use a higher TDP in the (most likely) same design, if the machine throttles with a quad core, do you expect any different with a 6-core?

    Marketing vs engineering department
     
  34. Elios

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    the laws of thermodynamics dont change for anyone not even apple you what a fast CPU and more cores your going to have make a bigger cooling solution for it you cant keep making it smaller
     
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    which is why everyone have a mean machine , not a ultra thin laptop, as their go-to for heavy work
     
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    Lenovo makes GREAT workstation laptops. Check them out sometime.
     
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    I would venture a guess that matters would be helped with clever heat piping and actual unibody aluminum... Hell i don't know why they have not come up with flexible heatpipes an use the back of the screen as a heatsink also ( to off load heat in part at least)
     
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    ftfy
     
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    This could be their excuse to stop using intel chips for future macs. I remember reading an article that they wanted to put their own processors back. Just like the old days... before they went to intel. The last time i had a macbook pro was core 2 duo and even then it ran hot...
     
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    I think you are giving them too much credit for some nefarious master plan. This is lazy copy pasta engineering. They A didn't even know it throttled, or B knew it and just let it fly hoping no one would call them out on it.
     
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