First Rule of GPP: Don't Talk About GPP

Seventyfive said:
Am I the only one that thinks jayztwocents is an idiot?

edit: not talking specifically about the geforce video. I mean that, in general, any video I have ever seen of this guy he is an idiot that knows less about computers than my dog.
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Yes, you are the only one who thinks that, sorry to say for you. :rolleyes:
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
So we should wait 1.5 years after Volta comes out for AMD to launch Navi, which ends up being a worse performer for the same price or more. It was a reasonable debate with old cards like the 4870 vs 280, even the 7970 vs 680 to a degree. It doesn't hold water anymore with Vega. Nvidia had a much cleaner slate pre-2015 (ish), too. People started paying attention after VRAM-gate.

AMD doesn't actually offer an upgrade path for my OC'd 980 Ti, even if I wanted to. Which means if I wait for Navi it will be a total of 4 YEARS between cards before an upgrade even exists.
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Welp, guess you are in a hurry then to buy those cards at stupid inflated prices, enjoy.

Edit: Oh, and my overclocked Vega 56 is faster than any overclocked 980 Ti with a fan cooling setup.
 
Linus just did a video about GPP that already had half a million views, kinda hard to hide from the story now. Honestly I love the title of his video:

"Nvidia Allegedly F***ing everyone"

 
Seventyfive said:
Am I the only one that thinks jayztwocents is an idiot?

edit: not talking specifically about the geforce video. I mean that, in general, any video I have ever seen of this guy he is an idiot that knows less about computers than my dog.
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He is not an idiot, but I would suggest that the breadth of this subject matter is a bit outside of his depth of industry understanding. That is easy to identify simply by the language he uses. He is trying to broaden his coverage beyond custom water cooling builds. Good on him, I am glad he at least brought the subject matter up, but his understanding is a bit limited. Still waiting on that EK Threadripper water block review since he had it one month before us, but never got around to it, even though it is directly in his wheelhouse. ;)
 
variant said:
Out with the ASUS ROG Strix RX 580 Gaming OC Edition, in with the generic ASUS RX 580 DUAL-fan OC edition.


https://www.amazon.com/Strix-Radeon-Gaming-Graphics-ROG-STRIX-RX570-O4G-GAMING/dp/B071D8YQJD/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1521600810&sr=8-3&keywords=ASUS+ROG+570&th=1
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Am I the only one who realizes Amazon just has the wrong pics? All of the cards on that page show the same photos.
The product selection on the right says "STRIX" and if you scroll down to the description, all the pics and specs match the ROG STRIX. Amazon can't advertise the card's model number and name as the ROG STRIX and then send you a DUAL. It's just a gallery error on the page.
 
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rgMekanic said:
Jesus man, how much of the koolaid did you drink?!
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Apparently too much, I’ve also been on a bit of a bender these past few days. Somebody catch me up.

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I put some coffee on and did a better job of reading the article, namely your response to NVidia’s statement....
I am not sure what nVidia is thinking this sounds terrible for well everybody.... My only thoughts are that nVidia is so confident in its gaming dominance that they think they am get away with it.
 
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TaintedSquirrel said:
Am I the only one who realizes Amazon just has the wrong pics? All of the cards on that page show the same photos.
The product selection on the right says "STRIX" and if you scroll down to the description, all the pics and specs match the ROG STRIX. Amazon can't advertise the card's model number and name as the ROG STRIX and then send you a DUAL. It's just a gallery error on the page.
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We'll see won't we? They do have backlog of manufactured cards in the wild to sell.

MSI has removed their AMD GAMING cards off their main website. Just a bunch of ARMOR cards.

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-cards/
 
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time for AMD to follow suit.

rather than getting battered time and again by NVIDIA's superior but cynical marketing edge

make a super cheap bundle with HTC Vive, then see sales skew hard towards AMD. (that is really the only thing i can think off that NVIDIA does not compete with)
 
Master_shake_ said:
if all your cards have been water cooled then i'd figure you were going to buy a block anyway.

apparently that would be wrong even though you bought a block you your 980ti.

the GPP is fucking terrible. i can't see one upside to it at all.
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I didn’t buy a block actually. It’s really hard to find a 980ti classified water block LOL.

I’m not a big fan of CLCs anyways though.

I didn’t plan on waiting this long. GPP is terrible, but it doesn’t change the fact that AMD isn’t competitive for the price difference.
 
variant said:
Looks like the AMD GAMING cards were on the MSI website back in December. The two categories under Graphics Cards were also different: GAMING and SEA HAWK. Now it's AMD and NVIDIA. So they've been removed since then and the category names changed.

https://web.archive.org/web/20171216180657/https://www.msi.com/Graphics-cards/
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They actually still appear on the US site.

https://us.msi.com/Graphics-cards/

Which would explain why some people see them and others don't. Depends which URL you visit.
All I see on the archive are Nvidia GPUs and the RX 580 news post. Every GPU category shows "no result" so I guess they weren't archived.
 
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TaintedSquirrel said:
They actually still appear on the US site.

https://us.msi.com/Graphics-cards/

Which would explain why some people see them and others don't. Depends which URL you visit.
All I see on the archive are Nvidia GPUs and the RX 580 news post. If I click the RX 580 category it shows no results.
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Because the search script doesn't work correctly archived. In the July archive, they are scrolling at the top as Hot Products.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170707070148/https://www.msi.com/Graphics-cards/
 
We will all keep buying nVidia.

If too many people actually follow through on all this “nVidia sux I’m
buying AMD”, nV justs pulls out big dick Volta and everyone drools and throws their wallets at their e-tailers.

I’m not defending nVidia, just pointing out what we all know is true.
 
rgMekanic said:
You want to throw a manatee into a shark tank eh?
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As judge dredd would say "It's all a deep end"


More to the point. There's not really a smoking gun here. But there's enough circumstantial evidence to say nVidia is up to some bullshit. Given the arrogance of the Ceo, I'm unsurprised this.

I think they would need a smoking gun to really come after nVidia for all this.
 
Brian_B said:
We will all keep buying nVidia.

If too many people actually follow through on all this “nVidia sux I’m
buying AMD”, nV justs pulls out big dick Volta and everyone drools and throws their wallets at their e-tailers.

I’m not defending nVidia, just pointing out what we all know is true.
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Nvidia is conducting what is called "anti-capitalist". Monopolies are not a good thing, I suffer from one using "APS" power.
 
Krazy925 said:
I didn’t buy a block actually. It’s really hard to find a 980ti classified water block LOL.

I’m not a big fan of CLCs anyways though.

I didn’t plan on waiting this long. GPP is terrible, but it doesn’t change the fact that AMD isn’t competitive for the price difference.
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Yep, I've been a long time Red Team fan, and once I got a 4K monitor and started looking for video cards that could handle it. Guess what the 1080ti was the best one for reasonable $$$ and reasonable frame rates / visual quality.

Heck, I even waited for ATI's VEGA release to see if they would be competitive after the big letdown of the RX580... and nope. I was lucky that right after Vega's release I pulled the trigger on a 1080ti... the prices for everything are just effing nuts.

Oh yeah, GPP is terrible. But until AMD can get their act together and field a video card that's close enough to nVidia's performance on high resolution monitors, well... the top end is all nVidia's. AMD can battle for the 1080p graphics crowd.
 
bbf said:
Yep, I've been a long time Red Team fan, and once I got a 4K monitor and started looking for video cards that could handle it. Guess what the 1080ti was the best one for reasonable $$$ and reasonable frame rates / visual quality.

Heck, I even waited for ATI's VEGA release to see if they would be competitive after the big letdown of the RX580... and nope. I was lucky that right after Vega's release I pulled the trigger on a 1080ti... the prices for everything are just effing nuts.

Oh yeah, GPP is terrible. But until AMD can get their act together and field a video card that's close enough to nVidia's performance on high resolution monitors, well... the top end is all nVidia's. AMD can battle for the 1080p graphics crowd.
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Yet when AMD had the best cards on the market, people still only bought Nvidia. It's why we are in the position we are in now. Nvidia has been leveraging its top position and continues to do so, and getting bolder. But hey, buy that gaming card from that completely unethical corporation for a few higher percentage of frame at the expense of the market. You'll need that higher frame rate when Nvidia fully gains a monopoly and has no need to innovate at all.
 
From almost a month ago.


The new product theory seems less likely than GPP now.
 
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Brian_B said:
We will all keep buying nVidia.

If too many people actually follow through on all this “nVidia sux I’m
buying AMD”, nV justs pulls out big dick Volta and everyone drools and throws their wallets at their e-tailers.

I’m not defending nVidia, just pointing out what we all know is true.
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You seem to be confusing feelings with knowledge. It's expected though, most people do.
 
variant said:
Yet when AMD had the best cards on the market, people still only bought Nvidia. It's why we are in the position we are in now. Nvidia has been leveraging its top position and continues to do so, and getting bolder. But hey, buy that gaming card from that completely unethical corporation for a few higher percentage of frame at the expense of the market. You'll need that higher frame rate when Nvidia fully gains a monopoly and has no need to innovate at all.
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When did AMD have the best card? Unethical corporation? Both are profit making company. There is nothing ethical or non ethical about them. They just see business. All they care is your money. Nvidia ia leveraging their top position? Then look no further than what AMD try to do with Mantle once they completely lock the console market. They directly try to influence major 3D API development more towards their hardware. They said Mantle is open but their action clearly speak otherwise looking how they handle the subject.
 
variant said:
Yet when AMD had the best cards on the market, people still only bought Nvidia. It's why we are in the position we are in now. Nvidia has been leveraging its top position and continues to do so, and getting bolder. But hey, buy that gaming card from that completely unethical corporation for a few higher percentage of frame at the expense of the market. You'll need that higher frame rate when Nvidia fully gains a monopoly and has no need to innovate at all.
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Last Nvidia card I owned was an 8800GT. Nvidia turned into dicks back then so I switched to AMD. And Nvidia have been dicks ever since so every card I've purchased since then has been AMD. I vote with my wallet.
 
renz496 said:
When did AMD have the best card? Unethical corporation? Both are profit making company. There is nothing ethical or non ethical about them. They just see business. All they care is your money. Nvidia ia leveraging their top position? Then look no further than what AMD try to do with Mantle once they completely lock the console market. They directly try to influence major 3D API development more towards their hardware. They said Mantle is open but their action clearly speak otherwise looking how they handle the subject.
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There is no supposedly open, is it or not? Is vulkan open or not?
 
After this GPP debacle, and the future mining crash, I expect a good old price war.. Performance per $ will be king gaming brands or white boxes it will not matter. I been out of PC gaming a long time now.. building your own PC is just non sense at the moment.
I will keep enjoying console gaming for as long as building your own PC is non sense. If a high mid-range card is not 200 or less, no PC gaming for me. It is that simple.
I am sure AMD will release more and better hardware, they should do so now. I won't count any dark horse company coming in with cheaper high performance hardware. Apple let loose a bunch of patents when they fucked the company that did their video chips, this is in Chinese hands now.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
They actually still appear on the US site.

https://us.msi.com/Graphics-cards/

Which would explain why some people see them and others don't. Depends which URL you visit.
All I see on the archive are Nvidia GPUs and the RX 580 news post. Every GPU category shows "no result" so I guess they weren't archived.
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They still have the RX 500 series listed as gaming, but the new Vega series has no custom cooling solutions. Which in turn means no gaming models.. The water cooled Vega is called the " Wave ".
 
Tweak155 said:
Not to mention influencing is not the same as strong arming.
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Because no "strong arming" needed for AMD back then. When all console is AMD based game developer have no choice but to optimize their game engine for AMD hardware. AMD know this so mantle is their initiative so they can push major 3D API spec more towards their hardware.
 
Creig said:
The last AMD cards that were the fastest single-GPU cards available were the 290X, 7970 and 5870. As far as highest price/performance ratio however, AMD has been leading almost continuously.
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Nvidia counterpart still faster. It is not until more games being develop specifically for 8th gen console kepler starts falling behind vs GCN. 5870 almost half of it's lifetime competing with nvidia GTX285. but it's true competitor is GTX480. This is also the time that nvidia nvidia lose the lead with market share because 480 is so late. That's why i don't agree about the talk "people only buy nvidia even when AMD have better card". What happen back then clearly show otherwise.
 
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We should make a bet for how long it will take Nvidia to post a public comment regarding GPP.

I'm going to go with another week if the heat keeps up, even if it's just a reiteration of how great GPP is for everyone.
 
I'm quite curious where this lands on the moral/ethical/legal scales. Smells hinky AF. Sadly won't keep me from buying another one of their cards in the future.
 
variant said:
Let's keep digging the hole, maybe someone will cover everyone with pixie dust so we can fly out of it.
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You are ignoring the way the real world works.

Why would anyone support a company, that isn't supplying the product people want and or need? it's how a free market economy works. Look at the state of the US auto industry back in the late 70's and 80's, rust bucket cars that needed repairs when they left the assembly lines. The Japanese kicked the crap out of Detroit and made them wake the fuck up. If you cannot compete, you are going to die. Nothing Nvidia has done up to this point has changed the fact that AMD is just not competitive in this market.
 
I will say it again. I think it's no accident that ASRock decided to start manufacturing AMD cards right before news of this broke.

This is one of the examples I was giving that AMD won't be marginalized like they were during the Athlon days with Intel's anti-competitive practices.

AMD seems to be much smarter this time around in terms of business.
 
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