Valve Removes Tournament's Major Status Because It Will Require Drug Testing

Skillz said:
I'm not so sure that's a bad thing.
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I wouldn't want to go around killing pot smokers, but if you live in a place infested with meth dealers and users, then yeah, I can see the dark appeal of legally being able to walk up to them and plugging them in the head. They're a scourge.
 
Also in Washington weed is legal, Valve themselves could not attend because of something that is legal in their state.
 
Sycraft said:
It's not even necessarily a concern about people failing, it could just be Valve disagrees with the policy. Drug tests are an invasion of privacy and it is extremely questionable the utility of one for a video game event. Thus Valve may wish to take a stand about it and say "If you require this, we won't sponsor it."
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Makes me wonder why they even decided to hold the event in the Phillipines, I mean was their policy not known at the time?
 
So they're saying they pretty sure the players are drug dirty? A sporting event can't expect clean players? Is that where we are at?

Of all the reasons to cancel a sporting event... canceling it BECAUSE of drug testing is just o_O ?
 
wootius said:
Reagan was a hard line.

The Philippines is currently genocidal about it lol.
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Depends on your view point.
Reagan simply enforced the law and tried to influence the culture away from drugs (just say no).

Many people in the Philippines decided that had had enough and elected a president that said he would fix the drug problem.
You might argue with his methods, but he is making significant progress.

People in the US say the drug war was a failure.
It's true, but only because one side didn't put up much of a fight and has pretty much given up.
 
nutzo said:
Depends on your view point.
Reagan simply enforced the law and tried to influence the culture away from drugs (just say no).

Many people in the Philippines decided that had had enough and elected a president that said he would fix the drug problem.
You might argue with his methods, but he is making significant progress.

People in the US say the drug war was a failure.
It's true, but only because one side didn't put up much of a fight and has pretty much given up.
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No, the drug war in the US failed because it was so piss poorly handled. Reagan ignored and suppressed reports in favor of marijuana. They used blatantly racist tactics to turn people not only against drugs but also against users. They knowingly lied about the effects and conveniently ignored the drugs that had big corps behind them willing to pay to keep them legal. Blatantly racist policies were set in place that unfairly targeted and punished minorities. No attempt was made at reform, it was throw them in jail for years for doing simple as simple as smoking a joint. The war on drugs only served to make drug lords rich and powerful, our dumbass war had a huge negative effect on countries like Mexico and Columbia. The US is part of the reason those countries are so fucked when it comes to drug lords and corruption. Killing people for using drugs is a heinous act that should NEVER be commended. Harsh punishments for repeat sellers, definitely, but murder is still never a good choice.

You want to know how to mitigate the drug problem in the US?

Step 1. Fully legalize or decriminalize marijuana at the Federal level. This will allow states the freedom to decide on their own what actions to take without worry that some stupid fucker like Sessions will breath down their necks.
Step 2. Abolish the private prison institution. Private prisons demand certain levels of occupancy and love repeat drug users. They spend money to push for harsher sentences and no reform. If occupancy demands aren't met then they charge outrageous fines because of it.
Step 3. Fund more rehabilitation programs, ones that actually show signs of working. Not everyone can be reformed or get off drugs, that is something to accept, but just because some people can't does not mean all people cannot. The goal of a good prison system is to turn bad citizens into good citizens, to make criminals into productive members of society. There are treatment programs out there that show promise.
Step 4. Outlaw mandatory minimum sentences for drug use. The appropriate punishment should be up to the judge and their advisers, not some crack-brained politician that has no idea what they're doing.
Step 5. Pay parole and probation officers better and hire more of them. There is a huge rate of burnout from these professions and its no wonder a lot of them simply stop caring when everything is working against them and their clients and they're paid like shit.
Step 6. Better training for both police and prison staff on how to address drug users and potentially effective ways to help them.
Step 7. Ignore steps 2-6 when it comes to drug dealers. Fuck those people.

Its a lot of time, and money, involved in those "simple" steps but other countries have pretty damn effective legal systems built around the idea of reform vs strict punishment and some states have shown that these methods can be effective for juvenile offenders.
 
Advil said:
So they're saying they pretty sure the players are drug dirty? A sporting event can't expect clean players? Is that where we are at?

Of all the reasons to cancel a sporting event... canceling it BECAUSE of drug testing is just o_O ?
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Not exactly. They're cancelling the tournament because in the Philippines, the punishment for failing a drug test is summary execution without trial.
 
Humans are druggies by nature.
Just take a look at history and you can see that we loved getting high off of Opium, alcohol and laughing gas.


And, to this day, we still love the big three capitalist drugs: tobacco, caffeine and alcohol
All of which are addictive and two of which are detrimental to health.
 
Derangel said:
You want to know how to mitigate the drug problem in the US?

Step 1. Fully legalize or decriminalize marijuana at the Federal level. This will allow states the freedom to decide on their own what actions to take without worry that some stupid fucker like Sessions will breath down their necks.
Step 2. Abolish the private prison institution. Private prisons demand certain levels of occupancy and love repeat drug users. They spend money to push for harsher sentences and no reform. If occupancy demands aren't met then they charge outrageous fines because of it.
Step 3. Fund more rehabilitation programs, ones that actually show signs of working. Not everyone can be reformed or get off drugs, that is something to accept, but just because some people can't does not mean all people cannot. The goal of a good prison system is to turn bad citizens into good citizens, to make criminals into productive members of society. There are treatment programs out there that show promise.
Step 4. Outlaw mandatory minimum sentences for drug use. The appropriate punishment should be up to the judge and their advisers, not some crack-brained politician that has no idea what they're doing.
Step 5. Pay parole and probation officers better and hire more of them. There is a huge rate of burnout from these professions and its no wonder a lot of them simply stop caring when everything is working against them and their clients and they're paid like shit.
Step 6. Better training for both police and prison staff on how to address drug users and potentially effective ways to help them.
Step 7. Ignore steps 2-6 when it comes to drug dealers. Fuck those people.
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1. So you like marijuana and want it legalized. I see the damage it causes and disagree.
I'd be willing to meet you half way, but only if we start drug testing (including for marijuana) and anyone who tests positive loses access to welfare and other government assistance programs.

2. Also disagree. Out here in California the state prisons are very expensive due to the prison guard union. Private prisons are much cheaper, however, the democrats in this state have decided they would rather let criminals out early that allow the use of private prisons.

3. Maybe if there was some level of accountability, but out here in California drug rehab is mainly a scam. All they care about is getting the insurance payments, and when that runs out they kick them out on the street.

7. This is something I can agree with. Anyone selling or in possession of sellable amounts should get significant jail time for the 1st offence. Should be an automatic death penalty for the 2nd offense.
 
MrDeaf said:
Humans are druggies by nature.
Just take a look at history and you can see that we loved getting high off of Opium, alcohol and laughing gas.


And, to this day, we still love the big three capitalist drugs: tobacco, caffeine and alcohol
All of which are addictive and two of which are detrimental to health.
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Some humans, not all.

I don't smoke, don't drink coffee, and haven't had an alcoholic drink in years.

Besides saving a lot of cash, I avoid the problems other people have that I see all around me.

I'll just stick to chocolate as my vice :D
 
nutzo said:
1. So you like marijuana and want it legalized. I see the damage it causes and disagree.
I'd be willing to meet you half way, but only if we start drug testing (including for marijuana) and anyone who tests positive loses access to welfare and other government assistance programs.

2. Also disagree. Out here in California the state prisons are very expensive due to the prison guard union. Private prisons are much cheaper, however, the democrats in this state have decided they would rather let criminals out early that allow the use of private prisons.

3. Maybe if there was some level of accountability, but out here in California drug rehab is mainly a scam. All they care about is getting the insurance payments, and when that runs out they kick them out on the street.

7. This is something I can agree with. Anyone selling or in possession of sellable amounts should get significant jail time for the 1st offence. Should be an automatic death penalty for the 2nd offense.
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1. There are several studies and reports that show adults using marijuana is far safer than cigarettes or alcohol. There has been exactly zero deaths directly caused by long term marijuana use. Of course it should be for adults only. Something else to consider is that legalized marijuana is a huge tax opportunity for states and the federal government. Millions of dollars in tax revenue from it is nothing to sneeze at. I also agree about drug testing people on welfare.

2. Your prisons were massively overcrowded partly due to three strike laws. Your prison system was unable to hold everyone. The order was to reduce the population, which would have been fine if they were more selective with who was let out. Private prisons have not helped any state they've been allowed in, they don't have the same accountability and treat prison as a for-profit enterprise.

3. I agree on accountability and, like I said, there needs to be a focus on the types of programs likely to work.
 
Derangel said:
1. There are several studies and reports that show adults using marijuana is far safer than cigarettes or alcohol. There has been exactly zero deaths directly caused by long term marijuana use. Of course it should be for adults only. Something else to consider is that legalized marijuana is a huge tax opportunity for states and the federal government. Millions of dollars in tax revenue from it is nothing to sneeze at. I also agree about drug testing people on welfare.
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And there are several studies showing it's much worse, especially for people under 25.

There have been numerous test on the illegal pot being sold here in California and much of it is contaminated with pesticides and other chemicals.

As for the huge tax potential, it's nowhere close to what the legalization people say it is. Legal pot has to compete with illegal pot. It's much easier to grow and distribute illegally than cigarettes or alcohol.

As for people dying from marijuana use, it does happen much more than the legalization people will admit. If all you do is smoke, it's hard to OD since you will pass out before you consume that much.
It's the edibles that cause most the problem. Since states started legalizing it, there have been several cases of people going crazy and jumping off buildings after eating too much.
 
I went to a rock concert we the lead singer was thanking the pot smokers so that the rest of us could enjoy it too. In the Philippines, I guess everyone in the crowd would be done for.
 
Rizen said:
The current President of the Philippines has bragged about personally killing drug users and dealers. So yeah, not a surprising decision by Valve.
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Hell, he outright said he would do this before he was elected. Keeping campaign promises.

 
nutzo said:
And there are several studies showing it's much worse, especially for people under 25.

There have been numerous test on the illegal pot being sold here in California and much of it is contaminated with pesticides and other chemicals.

As for the huge tax potential, it's nowhere close to what the legalization people say it is. Legal pot has to compete with illegal pot. It's much easier to grow and distribute illegally than cigarettes or alcohol.

As for people dying from marijuana use, it does happen much more than the legalization people will admit. If all you do is smoke, it's hard to OD since you will pass out before you consume that much.
It's the edibles that cause most the problem. Since states started legalizing it, there have been several cases of people going crazy and jumping off buildings after eating too much.
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Proof?
 
Aireoth said:
Nope, its literally in the release 'given the local climate...' that climate being one of murdering drug users and dealers pretty much onsite.
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I mean...that's the whole reason for our Constitution and rights, because it's pretty easy to call someone a "drug dealer" after they're dead and you don't have to prove it in a court of law.
 
MavericK said:
So we should outlaw alcohol, is that what you're saying? I mean, if we are using that logic then alcohol is probably the most dangerous substance imaginable.
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not to mention if you chug a full bottle of vodka, you're likely to actually die.

You smoke that entire blunt? you're probably gonna puke and regret it for a day or two, but wevs. You'll come out of that hangover fine!
 
d8lock said:
Even with your shitty logic you can't find a single shred of evidence to back up your claims. Guy gets high and stumbles off cliff is the best you've got. Pathetic.
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No, more like guy eats to many edibles, goes crazy, and jumps off cliff.
But if you refuse to see the truth, there is nothing I can do about it.

Besides, how many people actually die from drinking?
Most drunks die from car accidents, drowning, or even liver failure, but people do go around making excuses that they didn't actually die from drinking.
n't
Just don't drive while you are high and crash into my car. (something Washington has already seen an increase in).
 
nutzo said:
No, more like guy eats to many edibles, goes crazy, and jumps off cliff.
But if you refuse to see the truth, there is nothing I can do about it.

Besides, how many people actually die from drinking?
Most drunks die from car accidents, drowning, or even liver failure, but people do go around making excuses that they didn't actually die from drinking.
n't
Just don't drive while you are high and crash into my car. (something Washington has already seen an increase in).
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Drinking causes liver failure. Same as cigarettes cause lung cancer. Organ failure as a result of drug use is what is classified as a drug killing someone. Something that cannot be applied to marijuana usage. People are stupid with or without drugs, nothing is going to change that and it isn't a direct fault of the drugs.
 
Derangel said:
Drinking causes liver failure. Same as cigarettes cause lung cancer. Organ failure as a result of drug use is what is classified as a drug killing someone. Something that cannot be applied to marijuana usage. People are stupid with or without drugs, nothing is going to change that and it isn't a direct fault of the drugs.
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I wonder if people who talk about weed as being some equivalent of alcohol or hard drugs have ever actually done weed. Being incredibly stoned I could barely move, let alone jump off a fucking cliff or "go crazy" in some other way.
 
MavericK said:
I wonder if people who talk about weed as being some equivalent of alcohol or hard drugs have ever actually done weed. Being incredibly stoned I could barely move, let alone jump off a fucking cliff or "go crazy" in some other way.
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While that's pretty true in general I think, I do know some people that won't touch it because it makes them completely paranoid to the point of even thinking suicidal thoughts. Pretty much anything a person could ingest (inhale, smoke, drink, whatever) could impact one person far differently than another, in some seemingly strange and unexpected ways. Still, for the vast majority, I think you're spot on. A lot of people have really strange views on things that they probably have no idea about.

My job prevents me from enjoying anything but my wines, whiskeys and cigars these days, which is fine with me.
 
Everyone seems to think drugs tests are fool proof. It is very easy to trigger false positives especially for opiates and peformance enhancing drugs.

Also there is a big difference between a sports athelete and a fat nerd who lives off energy drinks and cheetos.
 
aokman said:
Everyone seems to think drugs tests are fool proof. It is very easy to trigger false positives especially for opiates and peformance enhancing drugs.

Also there is a big difference between a sports athelete and a fat nerd who lives off energy drinks and cheetos.
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Your piss poor stereotype doesn't really fit most "esports" players I've seen. A lot of them seem to keep themselves in relatively decent shape.
 
Derangel said:
Your piss poor stereotype doesn't really fit most "esports" players I've seen. A lot of them seem to keep themselves in relatively decent shape.
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It was a joke lol but regardless they are not going to fitness buffs like most athletes which makes it very easy to trip up on a drugs test.
 
"I wan't less government ..... except when it comes to what someone else does to their own body, then I want the government to regulate it all" Cons are hilarious.
 
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