Feren OS game changer

B00nie said:
It's aimed for the noobs who think windows is the only os on the planet. I once skinned an Ubuntu to look like windows xp. Most people never realized the difference.
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Which creates enough issues in itself, the biggest issue transitioning from Windows to Linux is completely forgetting everything you know of Windows and how it operates. Having an OS that behaves like Windows just makes everything that much harder when the reality sets in that Linux is not a Windows clone.
 
BulletDust said:
Which creates enough issues in itself, the biggest issue transitioning from Windows to Linux is completely forgetting everything you know of Windows and how it operates. Having an OS that behaves like Windows just makes everything that much harder when the reality sets in that Linux is not a Windows clone.
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I think the biggest hurdle for most people is "shit, [hardware or software] doesn't work in Linux?"
 
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I think these distros that aim to look/work like windows are a bit of a trap. On first glance they're fine, but when you start using them and start running into problems you get stuck. Linux isn't windows and dressing it up to feel like windows just means that if you try to solve a problem the windows way then you get stuck. Obvious this is more a power user problem, but who other than (windows) power users actually installs these things? Further, is ubuntu that hard?
 
This distro is based on mint... which is based on ubuntu... which is based on debian.

:) I think that says about all you really have to know.

If you like the look of this... just install Mint. I honestly don't understand the advantage to it over Mint... which runs the same Desktop Env, and is already extremely easy to install and very windows like. Feren just seems odd to me Vivaldi browser by default ect... not really understanding the point. If you really like the look of this feren go with Mint, which I have no doubt is the better distro. Other then changing out a few default programs I'm not seeing the advantage at all, the mint installer is already easier to use the the MS windows installer.

Manjaro
Ubuntu
Fedora
OpenSuse
Mint

My suggestion is almost always Manjaro-Gnome, although its not a mainstream choice its solid and user friendly.

For commercial well supported choices Ubuntu is king and their Gnome flavor is the way to go imo. When they go back to Gnome as default shortly I expect Ubuntu numbers to move up some more. Or if you want to run a home OS that is close to the RPM package manager running commercial distros (Red Hat / Cent, Suse) fedora or opensuse the desktop versions of both are solid.

What you will notice with all the major supported commercial distros is Gnome is the default and most refined desktop. No it doesn't look like windows. Its better, it doesn't take all that long to adjust to for most windows or mac users. I agree with bullet trying to make Linux look like windows is a fools game. It is imo better then windows it is of course different, and if you take the plunge please please stop (if you are like 99% of windows users) stop putting crap on your desktop. You have a very nice /home folder that has a place for your music pictures video documents and you can add as many folders as you like.

If you do install a Gnome based distro use this site to customise your desktop as you see fit;
https://extensions.gnome.org/ its full of goodness
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/8/places-status-indicator/ don't fill your desktop with crap install this and keep it neat. :)
 
Darakian said:
I think these distros that aim to look/work like windows are a bit of a trap. On first glance they're fine, but when you start using them and start running into problems you get stuck. Linux isn't windows and dressing it up to feel like windows just means that if you try to solve a problem the windows way then you get stuck. Obvious this is more a power user problem, but who other than (windows) power users actually installs these things? Further, is ubuntu that hard?
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My thought's exactly.
 
I think this distro has a great chance of becoming something big but there missing out on the community interaction with a forum and IRC channel like most Linux distro have

If they would have that i Think that it would have the chance to go far and if it runs alot better than zorin OS people would probably use it over that
 
I'm not saying it's for everyone but people that want a distro that will just work this one look like that what it going for and try to help make the transition easier for people used to windows.

feren os - http://ferenos.weebly.com


People that can easily learn a new interface or don't mind getting there hands dirty with console in Linux this might not be the distro for you
 
jardows said:
YALD - Yet Another Linux Distribution. The "Next Big Thing" for everyone to switch to. Fragmenting the community even more, and cement even further Desktop GNU/Linux to be a niche product.
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Pfft. It's more like idea incubation. Someone, or a group of someones, has an idea they want to try, so they get together and try it. They don't have to join the board at canonical and shop the idea to a steering committee and wait for it to get approved or not. They just get to try it. If design aspects work, other groups will take note and integrate it or adapt the concept.
Right now things are about as uniform as they've ever been in the linux landscape. Most all the big players are shipping a 4.x kernel, systemd, and defaulting to Gnome which I think gets everyone Flatpak support.

I wouldn't claim to say this is "The next big thing", but I won't poo poo on them for putting it out there.
 
jardows said:
YALD - Yet Another Linux Distribution. The "Next Big Thing" for everyone to switch to. Fragmenting the community even more, and cement even further Desktop GNU/Linux to be a niche product.
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Collins urban dictionary: Yald definition: vigorous , lively , active
 
fightingfi said:
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/84541.html

dont know enough about linux to know whats your guys take on this OS ?
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Why do you title your post "game changer" and yet list no reasoning, logic, points, facts, arguements, or any type of cognitive thought on why this is a "game changer."

Have we resorted to making clickbait message board posts now?? Do you work in the media ?
 
Verge said:
Why do you title your post "game changer" and yet list no reasoning, logic, points, facts, arguements, or any type of cognitive thought on why this is a "game changer."

Have we resorted to making clickbait message board posts now?? Do you work in the media ?
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I believe a quick review will show that's the OP's modus operandi. :D
 
Verge said:
Why do you title your post "game changer" and yet list no reasoning, logic, points, facts, arguements, or any type of cognitive thought on why this is a "game changer."

Have we resorted to making clickbait message board posts now?? Do you work in the media ?
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Not only that he posted in the wrong subforum. Linux posts should be posted in the Linux and other is subforum at the top.
 
jardows said:
YALD - Yet Another Linux Distribution. The "Next Big Thing" for everyone to switch to. Fragmenting the community even more, and cement even further Desktop GNU/Linux to be a niche product.
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Yet another FUD post by a misinformed Windows user that's now going to cry that they run Linux in a VM under Windows all the time....:rolleyes:

That unified desktop you enjoy so much under Windows is just one of many reasons I don't use Windows.
 
BulletDust said:
Yet another FUD post by a misinformed Windows user that's now going to cry that they run Linux in a VM under Windows all the time....:rolleyes:

That unified desktop you enjoy so much under Windows is just one of many reasons I don't use Windows.
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How is it not fragmented? The user experience between every distribution is one thing, but there are several things at the core of the OS that are great examples for linux fragmentation. I mean how many different package types are there out there?
 
So many installers for Windows, how ever does anyone get software installed? Setup.exe, .msi, Store apps, self extracting zip archives, etc... So fragmented. ?
 
Frobozz said:
So many installers for Windows, how ever does anyone get software installed? Setup.exe, .msi, Store apps, self extracting zip archives, etc... So fragmented. ?
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Lets see what happens when you try and run those files.

Windows
.exe - It runs.
.msi - It runs.
store apps - It runs.
.zip - It opens.

How about we install SQL Developer in Ubuntu.
.rpm - Oh.. You're shit out of luck. Have fun posting in forums asking how you can install rpm files. Everyone will be jumping on your nuts asking why you installed Ubuntu instead of Arch. And when someone replies telling you about Alien, you get to cozy up your new best friends.. terminal and sudo. Something you really wanted to do instead of just installing SQL Developer. When you get that going, you better pray to whatever god you believe in that JDK came with it or you get to make more internet friends getting that shit to work.

Keep in mind too that I WANT Linux to work. I WANT to use it as my main OS at home. Its not feasible to use it at work since we are a Microsoft office that relies heavily on AD and exchange, but I've tried to make Linux work for me on my personal computers so much that I get a headache thinking about installing another distro.

:)
 
BulletDust said:
Personally, Linux is Linux, I don't understand the need to make it behave like Windows.

I use Linux to distance myself from Windows behaviour.
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But you should embrace all types of Linux. I mean, isn't choice the entire point of the OS?
 
BulletDust said:
Personally, Linux is Linux, I don't understand the need to make it behave like Windows.

I use Linux to distance myself from Windows behaviour.
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It shouldn't. That would be terrible if it did. Imagine a distro that looks and acts exactly like windows 10. No thanks :)
 
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AltTabbins said:
How is it not fragmented? The user experience between every distribution is one thing, but there are several things at the core of the OS that are great examples for linux fragmentation. I mean how many different package types are there out there?
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How many different ways can you install windows programs ? Don't say one cause your wrong. :) .exe, .msi, click to run, UWP, 20+ different third party installation managers some of which add proper uninstalls some of which don't. Progarms that use the registry for user settings, some that don't, some that use /user settings for settings some that don't. Windows is a fragmented mess when it comes to installation and orphan tracking.

Linux is less fragmented then windows is. Anyone saying differently doesn't really understand how either works. Sure their are 2 or 3 newer OPEN standards for companies to use for complete including lib downloads. Most commercial software companies have been using both .RPM and .DEB for ages and they are basically the exact same thing and take those companies no more then a few min to package up. Unlike windows everyone of them hooks into a proper PM that makes it easy to remove things without leaving behind files, libraries, registry values and directories. Say what you will about the multiple software packaging options for Linux at least they are all clean.
 
AltTabbins said:
It shouldn't. That would be terrible if it did. Imagine a distro that looks and acts exactly like windows 10. No thanks :)
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I have seen some good scripts to make Gnome3 look like windows 10 and its just so wrong. lol :)
 
auntjemima said:
But you should embrace all types of Linux. I mean, isn't choice the entire point of the OS?
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Yes it is, unlike the situation with Windows, choice under Linux allows anyone to run any DM they like and be happy with their results - Doesn't mean their choices reflect my own tastes though.

As stated, Linux is Linux and Windows is Windows - In my opinion making Linux look like Windows can quite possibly result in a failure to adapt to an OS that is for all intents and purposes not a Windows clone, there is no prerequisite that states that any OS has to behave exactly like Windows. However, what people decide to do with their PC is entirely their choice and unlike Windows Linux gives users that choice.
 
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BulletDust said:
Yet another FUD post by a misinformed Windows user that's now going to cry that they run Linux in a VM under Windows all the time....:rolleyes:

That unified desktop you enjoy so much under Windows is just one of many reasons I don't use Windows.
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Nope. A former, but now disenchanted Linux user, who greatly prefers FreeBSD, but can't get over my love for MS Office and Sims3 :D

And yes, I do run FreeBSD in a VM under Windows, but not Linux.
 
jardows said:
Nope. A former, but now disenchanted Linux user, who greatly prefers FreeBSD, but can't get over my love for MS Office and Sims3 :D

And yes, I do run FreeBSD in a VM under Windows, but not Linux.
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Heh it's completely backwards to run BSD inside Windows.
 
Even though it doesn't use a name like Lindows (smooth move eMachines), I wonder if MS will ever come down on the project for the use of their themes but from what I've been reading, it is very resource intensive. I don't like the idea of running a bloated clone of windows so I wouldn't even install it for noobs JMHO.
 
Its 2017 and things haven't really changed with Linux that much - if things don't work, your avg user still has to go hunting on forums where they'll be asked questions they have no clue about, and you really do need to learn the cmd line, which is not the case for Windows obviously. For your normal non-techie user, the problems and issues with Windows are exaggerated, its still the only OS people can buy any pc/laptop at big discount, install any hardware and just have it work, use any software. Its secure, supports the latest hw and standards and I'd never recommend anyone who's not an expert try Linux without being prepared to be their tech support.
 
Yup. Until Linux is as easy to use and supported as well as Windows, along with full game and app compatibility /native builds, it's not really worth a second glance as a desktop OS after all these decades. It's saddening how poor it is. However even if it did beef up, why anyone would move to it is beyond me when they already are setup for windows like virtually all desktops.
 
MrCrispy said:
Its 2017 and things haven't really changed with Linux that much - if things don't work, your avg user still has to go hunting on forums where they'll be asked questions they have no clue about, and you really do need to learn the cmd line, which is not the case for Windows obviously. For your normal non-techie user, the problems and issues with Windows are exaggerated, its still the only OS people can buy any pc/laptop at big discount, install any hardware and just have it work, use any software. Its secure, supports the latest hw and standards and I'd never recommend anyone who's not an expert try Linux without being prepared to be their tech support.
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GoldenTiger said:
Yup. Until Linux is as easy to use and supported as well as Windows, along with full game and app compatibility /native builds, it's not really worth a second glance as a desktop OS after all these decades. It's saddening how poor it is. However even if it did beef up, why anyone would move to it is beyond me when they already are setup for windows like virtually all desktops.
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Actually you couldn't be more wrong regarding the massive advancements Linux has made in the last 10 years alone.

The Linux desktop is now at the point where it is polished and finalised, perfectly capable of holding it's own against the Windows desktop, in many cases it's actually better. People crap on about Wayland, the fact is Wayland is going to bring to the table a totally new set of issues that have since been sorted out with decades of X Server development provided you're using a decent WM. I'm in no rush to see development move from X Server and I've had very few issues with X Server as it stands now.

Graphics drivers, in fact drivers in general have improved massively in the last ten or so years. Linux now has drivers that not only perform well, but I'd estimate support ~75% of all devices out there - What isn't supported in the Kernel can usually be quickly and easily installed by downloading off the manufacturers website, in my experience even the whole Realtek issue has improved massively.

Installing software under Linux is now easier than ever. What isn't available via easy to use software centres is now available as .Deb installers and installable via the GUI just like Windows or downloadable and installable via the terminal using .Apt very simply and easily using copy/paste, gone are the days where all software had to be compiled from scratch using the terminal and source code.

Office suites have improved out of sight in the last 10 years, you have to remember that compatibility issues are a result of MS Office itself not conforming to the .docx standard, the standard it uses by default. You can transfer documents between other office suites that conform to open standards just fine, involve Office and everything turns to hell - That by no means indicates an issue with alternate office suites, that indicates a compatibility issue with Office itself.

Email clients have improved out of sight in the last 10 years, calendar applications have improved out of sight, since the advent of Krita even GIMP is showing signs of improvement. Cross platform applications are an area that have shown massive growth in the last 10 years, I can safely say that 75% of all software applications I use under Linux are cross platform, this was unheard of 10 years ago. Cloud computing is now largely supported under Linux.

Gaming and the Steam client are now available under Linux, something that was simply unheard of in the past! ~3500 titles on Steam alone and growing. Based on my own experience using Nvidia hardware/drivers most games either run better than they do under Windows or within about 20% at worst, far more FPS than the refresh rate of my monitors.

VR is a slowly growing possibility under Linux now, with SteamVR now supported in beta form under Linux and certain headsets. I believe even SteamVR Home is supported as of 3 days ago under Linux (obviously beta).

Time does not stand still for Windows, development is ongoing and the same is true for Linux - Contrary to popular Windows folk belief Linux is not a wasteland, Linux has not stood still with little to no development for the last 10 years and Linux is a capable, fully fledged operating system used by thousands, possibly even millions, every day and growing.

The fact is, saying "I'll move over when everything I can do under Windows I can do under Linux" is a cop out. Speedy development requires physical adoption: Without large numbers adopting an alternative, development will continue, but it won't be as fast as is ideal. If you seriously plan on eventually switching to Linux, set up a spare PC or dual boot your preferred distro and start using it. If that's just unacceptable and by no means a possibility, you're not serious about moving from Windows and you're comments are therefore fairly moot.

As I always say, Linux is Linux, it is not a Windows clone, there is no prerequisite for Linux to behave in any way identically to Windows. If you need Windows due to gaming or professional reasons, the answer is remarkably simple - Stick to Windows.
 
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BulletDust said:
Gaming and the Steam client are now available under Linux, something that was simply unheard of in the past! ~3500 titles on Steam alone and growing. Based on my own experience using Nvidia hardware/drivers most games either run better than they do under Windows or within about 20% at worst, far more FPS than the refresh rate of my monitors.

VR is a slowly growing possibility under Linux now, with SteamVR now supported in beta form under Linux and certain headsets. I believe even SteamVR Home is supported as of 3 days ago under Linux (obviously beta).

Time does not stand still for Windows, development is ongoing and the same is true for Linux - Contrary to popular Windows folk belief Linux is not a wasteland, Linux has not stood still with little to no development for the last 10 years and Linux is a capable, fully fledged operating system used by thousands, possibly even millions, every day and growing.
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Yes Linux has is getting more games than ever, but so is macOS and Windows and Windows is getting new non-VR titles at a rate of almost 5 to 1 over Linux. So there is no closing of the gaming gap in absolute terms and it's only getting worse. So no not a wasteland but also as vibrant as your saying.

When is actually comes to games that need GPU power to drive good performance, there's not a great deal out there for Linux. Beyond Deus Ex: MD and maybe Civ VI there's not much else for Linux that's been released on Steam in the last year needs much GPU power. In the VR depart, a couple of scraps in a year's time isn't growth. 4 games VR for Linux versus over 1000 for Windows? No one is going to spend money on a VR setup for Linux for 4 games with virtually nothing going on currently, not compared to Windows.

BulletDust said:
The fact is, saying "I'll move over when everything I can do under Windows I can do under Linux" is a cop out. Speedy development requires physical adoption: Without large numbers adopting an alternative, development will continue, but it won't be as fast as is ideal. If you seriously plan on eventually switching to Linux, set up a spare PC or dual boot your preferred distro and start using it. If that's just unacceptable and by no means a possibility, you're not serious about moving from Windows and you're comments are therefore fairly moot.

As I always say, Linux is Linux, it is not a Windows clone, there is no prerequisite for Linux to behave in any way identically to Windows. If you need Windows due to gaming or professional reasons, the answer is remarkably simple - Stick to Windows.
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People just want to be able to use what they need, want or paid for. Why should anyone be obligated to use something that doesn't fit their needs? That's not a cop out, that's life. Where desktop Linux works well for people and that's what they want then by all means they should use it especially if Windows or macOS are failing them. But as you said in your last statement, people like me simply have far too much that doesn't work well with desktop Linux. There's just no point in me running desktop Linux as a host client when so much of the hardware isn't as nearly well utilized due to the lack of software supported under Linux that I use constantly.
 
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