Will Scalpers buy all the 1080ti cards??

thesmokingman said:
Now see if you can get that same scaling in oh... the other 99% of games?
Click to expand...

Running here EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti FTW in SLI, and so at 4K resolution (3840x2160px).

I'm getting results at or slightly higher levels that a single Titan X Pascal (all games set at ultra/highest gfx settings):
Firestrike Ultra (DX11) --- Titan X Pascal=~6700pts ; 2 x 980 Ti FTW=~7600pts
Alien Isolation (DX11) --- Titan X Pascal=~112fps ; 2 x 980 Ti FTW = ~121fps (80-140fps)
Thief (DX11) --- Titan X Pascal=~ 62fps ; 2 x 980 Ti FTW = ~ 92fps (89-110fps)
Hitman --- Titan X Pascal=~ 60fps (DX12); 2 x 980 Ti FTW= ~ 74 DX11)

No reason to swap out card.
Click to expand...

http://forums.evga.com/980-ti-sli-vs-Titan-X-pascal-m2527021.aspx

If, as you say, a single Pascal Titan X is faster than 2 980Tis in SLI, then I'd be interested in seeing that. I'm sure in games with proper SLI implementation like Mad Max, MGS, etc, 980Ti SLI will come out on top. Here's someone with first hand knowledge who claims this to be the case even @ 4k.
 
Wag said:
http://forums.evga.com/980-ti-sli-vs-Titan-X-pascal-m2527021.aspx

If, as you say, a single Pascal Titan X is faster than 2 980Tis in SLI, then I'd be interested in seeing that. I'm sure in games with proper SLI implementation like Mad Max, MGS, etc, 980Ti SLI will come out on top. Here's someone with first hand knowledge who claims this to be the case even @ 4k.
Click to expand...

Is this what they call single track mind? You still stuck on the 5 games that support SLI well. That's great for you.
 
Last edited:
thesmokingman said:
Is this what they call single track mind? You still stuck on the 5 games that support SLI well. That's great for you.
Click to expand...

Still waiting for you to prove your point. I'm really interested in seeing in what cases a single Titan X Pascal performs better than 2 980Tis in SLI. This would help me decide my upgrade path.
 
Last edited:
Comixbooks said:
They buy the cards and sell re-sell them for a profit. Thus creating a fake demand that doesn't help anyone.
Click to expand...
maybe people shouldnt be stupid and buy the reseller card????? It is only an issue because people are stupid and pay the premium :/

rtangwai said:
The problem for scalpers is that 1080ti production will not be that limited - scalpers only succeed in a limited availability market.

The scalpers have a very narrow window of opportunity to make money based on opening demand vs supply.

There is too much of a risk of a competing product like Vega coming out and dropping the price of 1080ti's unexpectedly, forcing them to sell at a loss.

The AMD cards like the 290x were different, it was miners not scalpers who bought them because they could make money from running the car, not reselling them.

From what I have read of current mining projects the risk/reward is too great to put in a major investment in new hardware to try, although a lot of rigs are being reprogrammed to more lucrative mining projects.

That means that short of some new application for GPUs (especially nVidia which were never the strongest at crypto mining) it is unlikely any shortages will be due to more than just the usual Day 1 limited availability.
Click to expand...
ASICs rule the mining market now and most mining is done buy firms....ming is now a loosing prospect unless you are connected and have massive capital.

SixFootDuo said:
Why are you guys even worried about the 1080 or 1080ti or Titan Pascal?

I have a pair if 980ti's in SLI that stomps the crap out of a 1080 and Titan, all for under $500 dollars.

I never understood people spending more money for less performance.
Click to expand...
because SLI sucks.

I bet if you tried SLI on my 1100 plus game library you couldn't even get 10% of the games to work with it.


Also SLI has worse minimum frame rate. If you look at minimum frame rate the TXP will beat 980TI SLI even in good SLI games when it comes to minimum frame rate


Just look at techpowerup reviews they only use main stream games and i think only 1/4 of them work with SLI in any reasonable fashion and not parse perfect.

Plus there are pelnty of none mainstream games (AAA games COD/BF/Hitman)) that will never work with it.
 
Last edited:
SixFootDuo said:
Why are you guys even worried about the 1080 or 1080ti or Titan Pascal?

I have a pair if 980ti's in SLI that stomps the crap out of a 1080 and Titan, all for under $500 dollars.

I never understood people spending more money for less performance.
Click to expand...

The same reason that after every SLI/Crossfire set-up I have ever run, I sold and bought a top tier single card after. 980 Ti was great for benchmarks and a few games. I prefer my 1080.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Why are you guys even worried about the 1080 or 1080ti or Titan Pascal?

I have a pair if 980ti's in SLI that stomps the crap out of a 1080 and Titan, all for under $500 dollars.

I never understood people spending more money for less performance.
Click to expand...
Dealing with SLI is a pain in the dick, and the TXP is a better card all around than 980Ti SLI except in extremely limited circumstances where scaling is very good. I don't care about $$$ I just want the best gaming experience, and right now that is the TXP.
 
Scalpers are waiting on the Markets for the moment shipping to retailers is due.
They will purchase NVidia stock for a controlling interest and then set up the NVidia store as an auction, hanging on to all the stock ready for auction.
Once they have scalped all the ti's for huge profit, they will sell NVidia to AMD.
Always the way, damn scalpers.

All because the lady loves milk tray.
Or is it to raise their AMD stock?
 
Since I'm still on the 680, that's exactly why I think I'm done waiting. Between the 980ti step up buyers getting first dibs, then the scalpers hogging up the remaining supply, it'll be July by the time the rest get a chance to pay retail for these cards. I think it's time I just buy the 1080 and call it a day. It's currently $550 - $700 depending on what version you want, so I can no longer justify waiting. My 2 cents.
 
thesmokingman said:
lol



What? You are in some serious denial.
Click to expand...

Some of you seem to be saying this, but you still haven't posted any proof.

4k at a consistent 60FPS still isn't doable on a single card yet (even a Titan X Pascal) at high settings in cutting edge games.

Yes, SLI has its problems, but it still has its place. Hopefully a card will come soon that will offer the performance to run 4k gaming at high settings.
 
If you want to see some pissed off people with SLI systems goto the Nvidia forums and type in SLI in the search.
 
There is only one argument you need to go against SLI..... VR

SLI simply cannot be supported in VR because of latency.
 
Comixbooks said:
If you want to see some pissed off people with SLI systems goto the Nvidia forums and type in SLI in the search.
Click to expand...

I'm not happy about it either. I invested in multiple cards and Nvidia abandoned me.

The thing is, I invested in a 4k monitor too. Maybe a single 1080Ti will be able to play 4k games at high settings and still get decent framerates, but I don't think we're there quite yet.
 
Erasmus354 said:
There is only one argument you need to go against SLI..... VR

SLI simply cannot be supported in VR because of latency.
Click to expand...

That's incorrect. VR is the last hope for SLI/CF. If VR cant save it then its dead for good.
 
Comixbooks said:
Yeah it helps the scalpers
Click to expand...

If it comes at 1,000 they can keep it. I get that GPU's are expensive to Develop but prices are getting a bit out of hand. We really need AMD to start getting something more powerful soon.
 
Erasmus354 said:
There is only one argument you need to go against SLI..... VR

SLI simply cannot be supported in VR because of latency.
Click to expand...
That's actually the opposite of the truth. SLI is actually quite good when used for VR because you can use 1 GPU per eye.
 
Rizen said:
That's actually the opposite of the truth. SLI is actually quite good when used for VR because you can use 1 GPU per eye.
Click to expand...
It would require a connection from each card to each eyes input to avoid a latency penalty.
If you delay one eye, you have to match the second eye to it or suffer unsmooth motion.
 
Wag said:
Still waiting for you to prove your point. I'm really interested in seeing in what cases a single Titan X Pascal performs better than 2 980Tis in SLI. This would help me decide my upgrade path.
Click to expand...
You have to be kidding. The Titan X is 80% faster than a 980 Ti so even in games that run great with SLI the Titan X would make more sense as scaling is rarely above 80%. And about 1/3 of triple AAA games do not even support SLI at all. That is not even getting into the additional issues that multi gpu setups have in many games.
 
Rizen said:
That's actually the opposite of the truth. SLI is actually quite good when used for VR because you can use 1 GPU per eye.
Click to expand...

In theory ok, but are you gonna hold your breath waiting for that to become reality?
 
I resell on Amazon and video cards aren't that great. Price is too high generally. Remember, Amazon takes a significant fee. However, some people will do it with little to no profit just for credit card/store points. They'll get screwed if they get any returns which is a much higher risk when selling over msrp.
 
rtangwai said:
The problem for scalpers is that 1080ti production will not be that limited - scalpers only succeed in a limited availability market.

The scalpers have a very narrow window of opportunity to make money based on opening demand vs supply.

There is too much of a risk of a competing product like Vega coming out and dropping the price of 1080ti's unexpectedly, forcing them to sell at a loss.

The AMD cards like the 290x were different, it was miners not scalpers who bought them because they could make money from running the car, not reselling them.

From what I have read of current mining projects the risk/reward is too great to put in a major investment in new hardware to try, although a lot of rigs are being reprogrammed to more lucrative mining projects.

That means that short of some new application for GPUs (especially nVidia which were never the strongest at crypto mining) it is unlikely any shortages will be due to more than just the usual Day 1 limited availability.
Click to expand...

I bet there's limited availability early on. Maybe the first month. You are right about the narrow window though. If nvidia surprises me and is able to ship enough the resellers will be taking a loss. Just part of the risk. Now if this was a Nintendo product, you know they'll have supply issues for the first 6-12 months.
 
I would think Pascal Titan would put a price limit on how much scalpers can overcharge.
 
thesmokingman said:
lol, like I wrote, you holding your breath for it?
Click to expand...
Rizen said:
It's already being done. Both AMD and NVIDIA have technology that handles it and are working on getting it into most of the popular game engines.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/10/24/serious_sam_vr_mgpu_amd_rx_480_follow_up/#.WGq6d_krIuU
Click to expand...
yeah TSM is right though, its down to the devs now. theres the SSVR and nv showed it off with their funhouse way back when. they were using 3 titans, one for each eye and one for PhysX(that's funny, auto-correct knows to cap the P and X). that's aboot it...
 
Wish Nvidia would do something about these scalpers. It took 2 months for me to buy the 1080.
 
drlqpham said:
Wish Nvidia would do something about these scalpers. It took 2 months for me to buy the 1080.
Click to expand...

In the US you have the right of first sale. What exactly would you want nVidia do that wouldn't go against the law?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top