PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX 470 Video Card Review @ [H]

Archaea said:
How? The RX480 is $200 at MSRP for 4GB.
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The one that can't be found and uses lower clocked memory? The reference design too.

A decent Aib rx480 costs a lot more, and they're all 8gb around 300 euros here, you can find 1060s for less.
 
Why are those FPS graphs so damn spiky? Watching the stats from digital foundry the frame times and what not are super consistent.
 
shspvr said:
You should look on Newegg I know there not reg stores hell even on EBay there thru the roof there to
what URL to nowinstockbro! or did mean nowinstock as in nowinstock.net and I ready have Stock Alerts! at Newegg and
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of course nowinstock.net, you can't really take 3rd party sellers and complain about price gouging that is what they are there for. If price gouging is going on at newegg or amazon themselves then it should count as they are major retailers. Newegg didn't have any price gouging going on with rx 480. They have charged the same for all cards since launch, unlike the 1080 and 1070s that seems to be settling down right now. Ebay is a world of 3rd party sellers, price gouging shouldn't be complained about because you have a choice of waiting for it to come in stock and buy it.

Again I got another notification today for another rx480. They are available almost everyday now, but for like 240 they run out in a snap. I got notified at and 5 mins later when I clicked on the link they were gone.
 
Archaea said:
How? The RX480 is $200 at MSRP for 4GB.
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This has been repeated so many times without any logic. An AIB 470 @$180 (or inflated $200 due to launch week) will perform very close to a stock 480. Hell it may even OC and perform higher considering the constraints put on the stock 480.
There are no 4GB 480's, or very few. So is it so unrecognizable to you that people who are the target customer might want a near equal performing custom 470 @ $20 less then a non existent 480 4GB?
The real question remains. Why all this negative hype when this card bests EVERY card at its price point! Nvidia doesn't have anything in the ball park to touch this card. Yet endless whining about the price. WHY? Why is AMD expected to sell cards bellow market value when it has no direct competitor? Everyone knows why Nvidia charges so much on the high end due to lack of competition, but AMD must low-ball its self on the low-mid-range?

Is everyone taking a fuckin stupid pill these days?
 
funkydmunky said:
This has been repeated so many times without any logic. An AIB 470 @$180 (or inflated $200 due to launch week) will perform very close to a stock 480. Hell it may even OC and perform higher considering the constraints put on the stock 480.
There are no 4GB 480's, or very few. So is it so unrecognizable to you that people who are the target customer might want a near equal performing custom 470 @ $20 less then a non existent 480 4GB?
The real question remains. Why all this negative hype when this card bests EVERY card at its price point! Nvidia doesn't have anything in the ball park to touch this card. Yet endless whining about the price. WHY? Why is AMD expected to sell cards bellow market value when it has no direct competitor? Everyone knows why Nvidia charges so much on the high end due to lack of competition, but AMD must low-ball its self on the low-mid-range?

Is everyone taking a fuckin stupid pill these days?
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Ranting on the internet qualifies you as pill free?

no -- actually it appears the opposite...

The RX480 4GB is $20 more. No matter how you slice it - $20 bucks is kiddy cash. It's a meal or two. It's a couple hours more at a McDonalds job. Anybody who can afford the RX470 can afford the RX480. The product is whimsical. Why are you defending it?
Because it's a filler SKU that's available and the RX480 isn't? Praising a product based on the temporary unavailability of a nearly identrical superior product at a darn near identical pricepoint is not sensible. lamesauce indeed AMD.

If you are so impatient that you laud this RX470. Well fine, enjoy it. Compared to last gen's cards at this price point yes it's great ----- but it doesn't need to exist in AMD's lineup, and is heavily in the shadow of the RX480.

From the review -
"In terms of TFLOPS the RX 470 is up to 4.9, for comparison RX 480 is 5.8"

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Thus, I'm waiting for the RX480 4GB to come back in stock. If I have to wait a couple more weeks and try to time a purchase then so what...I'll play ball. I'm trying to pick up the card for a friend who will keep the card probably 4+ years and has no intention of going beyond 1080p in that time.

I'm not going to sacrifice potentially ~15-20% performance for $20 bucks as I help him pick out a budget gaming system so he can get a card a week or two earlier....especially not a card that he's going to keep for multiple years.

The product is solid, it's just weird in the context of the RX480 and the SKU simply doesn't need to exist at $20 less.

There's tons of people that feel this way --- google RX 470. The majority of reviews say the same. Even Hard OCP's review says it in as many words. There's a reason you can't even buy a 480 card right now anywhere a few weeks after launch and yet the 470s are in stock at newegg right now, and all day long today too at several major online stores.

AMD Radeon RX 470 review: A great graphics card with a terrible price
 
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"Ranting", "incredible"? Ya okay.

First off, I'm not so sure we will see any 4GB 480's.
Second as I already stated, it seems unlikely reference 480 4GB will have any advantage over AIB 470's while costing $20 more.
A reference 480 4GB with all its 6pin goodness and reference cooler that has shown to not be able to hold boost clocks, will be in tuff against a well cooled 470 that does clock high, and may well be even able to over volt for an even better OC due to proper power and cooling.
Personally I was expecting the 470 to be $149, but I didn't expect it to be so close in performance.
As always in the market, performance=$$.
 
Archaea said:
Ranting on the internet qualifies you as pill free?

no -- actually it appears the opposite...

The RX480 4GB is $20 more. No matter how you slice it - $20 bucks is kiddy cash. It's a meal or two. It's a couple hours more at a McDonalds job. Anybody who can afford the RX470 can afford the RX480. The product is whimsical. Why are you defending it?
Because it's a filler SKU that's available and the RX480 isn't? Praising a product based on the temporary unavailability of a nearly identrical superior product at a darn near identical pricepoint is not sensible. lamesauce indeed AMD.

If you are so impatient that you laud this RX470. Well fine, enjoy it. Compared to last gen's cards at this price point yes it's great ----- but it doesn't need to exist in AMD's lineup, and is heavily in the shadow of the RX480.

From the review -
"In terms of TFLOPS the RX 470 is up to 4.9, for comparison RX 480 is 5.8"

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Thus, I'm waiting for the RX480 4GB to come back in stock. If I have to wait a couple more weeks and try to time a purchase then so what...I'll play ball. I'm trying to pick up the card for a friend who will keep the card probably 4+ years and has no intention of going beyond 1080p in that time.

I'm not going to sacrifice potentially ~15-20% performance for $20 bucks as I help him pick out a budget gaming system so he can get a card a week or two earlier....especially not a card that he's going to keep for multiple years.

The product is solid, it's just weird in the context of the RX480 and the SKU simply doesn't need to exist at $20 less.

There's tons of people that feel this way --- google RX 470. The majority of reviews say the same. Even Hard OCP's review says it in as many words. There's a reason you can't even buy a 480 card right now anywhere a few weeks after launch and yet the 470s are in stock at newegg right now, and all day long today too at several major online stores.

AMD Radeon RX 470 review: A great graphics card with a terrible price
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Please stop with the "super edits", shit or get off the pot.
Doubling your post in an edit is ridiculous. A spelling mistake or some shit, sure. But chapter two in an edit? Your taking the piss mate!
Anyway your silliness aside, you don't know any %'s yet. Let us see when an AIB 470 goes up against a nonexistent 480 4GB. OC's and all.

And again, NOTHING has a bad price when it is the BEST card AT that PRICE. PERIOD! Any logic against that is just fanboi wishing and expectations.
 
Archaea said:
Ranting on the internet qualifies you as pill free?

no -- actually it appears the opposite...

The RX480 4GB is $20 more. No matter how you slice it - $20 bucks is kiddy cash. It's a meal or two. It's a couple hours more at a McDonalds job. Anybody who can afford the RX470 can afford the RX480. The product is whimsical. Why are you defending it?
Because it's a filler SKU that's available and the RX480 isn't? Praising a product based on the temporary unavailability of a nearly identrical superior product at a darn near identical pricepoint is not sensible. lamesauce indeed AMD.

If you are so impatient that you laud this RX470. Well fine, enjoy it. Compared to last gen's cards at this price point yes it's great ----- but it doesn't need to exist in AMD's lineup, and is heavily in the shadow of the RX480.

From the review -
"In terms of TFLOPS the RX 470 is up to 4.9, for comparison RX 480 is 5.8"

------------

Thus, I'm waiting for the RX480 4GB to come back in stock. If I have to wait a couple more weeks and try to time a purchase then so what...I'll play ball. I'm trying to pick up the card for a friend who will keep the card probably 4+ years and has no intention of going beyond 1080p in that time.

I'm not going to sacrifice potentially ~15-20% performance for $20 bucks as I help him pick out a budget gaming system so he can get a card a week or two earlier....especially not a card that he's going to keep for multiple years.

The product is solid, it's just weird in the context of the RX480 and the SKU simply doesn't need to exist at $20 less.

There's tons of people that feel this way --- google RX 470. The majority of reviews say the same. Even Hard OCP's review says it in as many words. There's a reason you can't even buy a 480 card right now anywhere a few weeks after launch and yet the 470s are in stock at newegg right now, and all day long today too at several major online stores.

AMD Radeon RX 470 review: A great graphics card with a terrible price
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can you comprehend and accept a little reality? Let me make it clear for you!

Rx 480 8gb, come in and out of stock daily. I mean daily. I have gotten 10+ notifications this week from nowinstock.net

rx 480 4gb? Nope no notification as I was eyeing it, so obvious the price for rx 470 is being inflated a little to milk those who are waiting for rx480 4gb. It does have near identical performance to be honest. So at 200 its still not a bad by and these seem to overclock decent as well.

Now rx470 will eventually settle around 180 and you will be able to find a few there, its just that little price gouging going on.

There is nothing at $200 that gives you this performance regardless of rx 480 4gb because that doesn't exist either at this point. So find me another card at 200 that gives you this much bang for buck then you have some credibility. Stop hating and start getting real with facts.

You want a 480 so bad but you don't listen to anyone here that those are rarely available. I mean you are so pissed about not getting a 4gb 480 that you are blinded by it.
 
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You fellows need to reevaluate what you are saying and why you are defending the purchase/existence of this product. You're double talking.

Let's make this simple.

Do you have 180 bucks for a rx470 purchase?
If yes then
Do you have a job? (Or are you 12 and have to wait six months for your next birthday to get $20 more?)

Next question
Do you have a week or two, even maybe a month to spare to buy up to a 20% faster card for $20 bucks (10% more money and even $20 is debatable since they are gouging some I the rx470 right now and some cost $200 ATM)


If you can wait and if you can swing $20 more then you should unequivocally buy the RX480.

If you are 12 years old, and have the partience and foresight of a 4 year old, (or, to shed a little grace, you just must have a good card RIGHT NOW for a build) then you are the likely target audience for this card at this time. (As compared to waiting for the 4GB RX470 to come into stock)
 
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Nvidia 970 cards can be picked up used for $170 range now even directly from refurb stores like EVGA b-stock inventory.

It's a dice roll as to which is the smarter purchase. 970 is a bit faster on things right now than the rx470 and has mature drivers. Vulcan games and dx12 may swing that to AMDs favor.

Radeon RX 470 vs GeForce GTX 970
 
You can't actually buy 4GB 480 anymore. They are a limited run, the reference AMD 4GB ones which has a MSRP of $199, never to be produced beyond the initial batch. I know this for a fact because I work in PC retail and my distributors have NO ETA for further 480 4GB shipments, they don't even know when they are getting it to distribute!

It's quite clear how AMD always intend the 480 to be 8GB only. Their 4GB was temporary, unlockable to 8GB, and set at $199 to give them more marketing gimmick. "Look ma! It's ONLY $199..." except you can't buy it, they only made a small batch artificially via a 4GB bios.

So if you look a the stack like this:

RX 470 4GB = $179 to $199

RX 480 8GB = $239 to $259

It starts to make more sense.

Go for the cheaper 470 4GB if you're a 1080p gamer. If you want some more kick and more future proof with extra vram, you pay a small premium for the 480.
 
Archaea said:
Nvidia 970 cards can be picked up used for $170 range now even directly from refurb stores like EVGA b-stock inventory.

It's a dice roll as to which is the smarter purchase. 970 is a bit faster on things right now than the rx470 and has mature drivers. Vulcan games and dx12 may swing that to AMDs favor.

Radeon RX 470 vs GeForce GTX 970
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This is from HWC, and they didn't even use Forza or Warhammer DX12 (where the 470 wreck the 970).

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And Maxwell is as you say, "mature", tapped out, while Polaris is new and very likely to receive performance updates in future drivers. In fact, we've already seen it, 16.7.3 boosted Rise of the Tomb Raider performance by a nice chunk.

Hexus tested the new drivers for their Nitro 480 review (but re-used numbers for other GPUs):

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Probably in 6 months time, the RX 470 will end up faster than the 1060 as well.
 
Brent_Justice said:
We have to start from square 1, that is the baseline comparison on an upgrade path. Further evaluatin always follows with regards to other interesting comparisons.

Also consider the GTX 1060 pricing, it is not anywhere near RX 470 level, sure we can compare it, but you have to consider they are worlds apart in price, so how relevant is that really?

As for the 4GB 480 it makes perfect sense for comparison... if we had one. Sometimes we can only do what we can with what we have, we don't have a 4GB 480 yet.

On to the format, thank you for your feedback. Games and Settings also changed through each review in the past as well, in fact more so since we had to find what was playable on every card in the review, and that would always differ. Games are in flux right now as the transistion to DX12 is happening. As more DX12 games come out this year, we will again add them. I am highly looking forward to Deus Ex. Therefore, games will always change, we must evolve our gaming suite when new games are released that are relevant.
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Still should of been compared as it's obvious that AMD is undercutting & Nvidia is overpricing :ROFLMAO: . Review would of been taken more seriously, at least for me, if it was compared to current gen parts regardless of price.
 
Holy shit. Just got back from camping and saw this article... AMD just mopped the floor with Nvidia when it comes to the $180 - $200 price point. I know the 960 has been out for quite awhile, but I was in NO WAY expecting AMD to put out a card with 60%+ more performance than the 960 for sub $200 (I was especially surprised and happy to see the performance in The Witcher 3). Props to AMD for not overselling the product, the marketing seems on point to me. I think this was a much needed win for the "red team".

I'm not holding my breath, but here's to hoping AMD can keep the ball rolling with Vega so we can start seeing a little high-end competition again.

Great review as usual.
 
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DarkLegacy said:
Still should of been compared as it's obvious that AMD is undercutting & Nvidia is overpricing :ROFLMAO: . Review would of been taken more seriously, at least for me, if it was compared to current gen parts regardless of price.
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The proper comparison will happen, when NV release the 1060 3GB edition. Leaks have it as a cut down chip as well as having less memory. If it's priced at $199, that's fair for comparisons.
 
Didn't AMD say they weren't going to make the 4GB 480 any longer? Could swear I read that somewhere. If that's the case then that SKU is irrelevant for comparison purposes against the 470. There aren't enough of them in the wild for it to really matter.

The 470 as it stands is excellent value for the performance it delivers at the price point asked. There is no current competition.
 
Riccochet said:
Didn't AMD say they weren't going to make the 4GB 480 any longer? Could swear I read that somewhere. If that's the case then that SKU is irrelevant for comparison purposes against the 470. There aren't enough of them in the wild for it to really matter.

The 470 as it stands is excellent value for the performance it delivers at the price point asked. There is no current competition.
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I have reached out to AMD for an official reply on these rumors about RX 480 4GB cards.
 
Is AMD actually manufacturing cards now? Isn't it the manufacturers that should probably be asked? I can understand why they might want to only produce 8GB cards. By Doing so they make the $200+ 4GB 470s possible. Who would ever buy a $200+ 4GB 470 when they could get a 480 for the same price or less?

I doubt AMD has anything to do with the card makers decisions on what to supply. Really 480 chip supply seems super constrained altogether right now.
 
Rvenger said:
Put a 4gb bios on it. :)
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If the rumor about AMD not producing anymore 4GB 470's ends up being true... What's the point? Why not wait until they get some official word from AMD instead of potentially wasting their time?
 
Archaea said:
If there are truly no more RX480 cards at 4GB - then the 470 makes loads more sense...
Thanks for checking Kyle.
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Were there ever any true RX 480 4GB or were they all cut down 8GB versions?
 
No true 4gb reference cards were ever available. They were all 8gb and I doubt amd keeps on selling 8gb as the price of 4gb, given how easy it is to flash those. So I think it was just a save face type of deal. Only true 4gb cards are after market and those are hard to come by as well, and ofcourse 4gb rx 470
 
This is the exact same reason I did not go with AMD last time. Overpriced cards because of miners. Looks like Nvidia gets my money again. Do to confusion: Miners jacking up AMD videocard prices and screwing everyone else.
 
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STrAYeR said:
This is the exact same reason I did not go with AMD last time. Overpriced cards because of miners. Looks like Nvidia gets my money again.
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what is overpriced? RX 470 is one hell of a performer in its price range, no? Anything else that performs close to it for 200? I don't think so. I don't understand this constant issue with pricing. There was no official word from amd. 179.99 starting price will eventually come, there is no competition at that price point. Nvidia has nothing for 200 that competes with it. It destroys everything at that price point. Over priced because of miners? I don't see much price gouging going on. 200 for rx 470 seems normal for launch price ans you will eventually find one at 179.99. Like I said no competition at that price by nvidia is the reason you wont see them at msrp and they will sell regradless.

as far rx 480 is concerned it has been rock solid at launch price for reference card since day one. There is no issue there.
 
AMD finally starts getting their shit together with a DX12 graphics card...Microsoft takes a shit with Windows 10 :sour:


....here's hoping Vulcan lives long and prospers :vulcan:
 
Mr45 said:
AMD finally starts getting their shit together with a DX12 graphics card...Microsoft takes a shit with Windows 10 :sour:


....here's hoping Vulcan lives long and prospers :vulcan:
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whats wrong with windows 10. Running fine for me, are we talking about the updates again? How do they have anything to do with performance. performance wise win 10 takes the top rank for me from any windows OS i have tried. Shit is just efficient.
 
I don't need a video card right now (as my old GTX 4mb 770 is still providing me with sufficient performance for what I play) but this card looks pretty good. For me the noise of the vid card is as important as performance. This one is nice and quiet. I would never buy any current AMD cards with their stock fan. Just can't hang with the noise.
 
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