NVIDIA Founders Edition Early Adopters Tax Goes Away

schizo said:
Did you read the update? AIB cards are coming out May 27 too. You can choose to pay the extra $100 for a reference card on May 27, or you can buy an AIB card on May 27. Nothing to complain about there.
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The only problem is that if it's short supply at launch then Nvidia is still charging you for it. It basically becomes sort of like a finder's fee. It's charging more for scarcity directly which is caused by them. We didn't set the launch date, they did.

This is a very new thing since this is coming directly from the manufacturer instead of Newegg or what ever vendor you prefer. So it's quite possible that on launch day after the AIBs run out you'll be left with the FEs.

Basically on launch day you had better be ready with that refresh button if you just have to have it. Otherwise Nvidia will charge you $100 because you waited too long on launch day.
 
Well, sure. But it's tough to blame NV for that-- I'm sure they will have more inventory at launch, because they had more time to engineer their product. That isn't actually their fault.
 
I have 2 GTX 780's and am going to make the jump, but going to wait for a couple of more months to see what becomes available. My 780's in SLI still play anything out there.
 
N4CR said:
Your own data shows it doesn't hold 2.1GHz beyond a single benchmark and for a second or two... it's not sufficient cooling and is a misrepresentation. The card shown at the release, was not being utilized at 100% with a frame limiter, for them to have 2.1GHz stable on that cooler with any chip.

They lied, end of story.

Pretty sure it was a video or article where Nvidia discussed reference edition cards (while we were all clawing for info). I'm looking around for it but the general consensus is why people expected such good power circuitry - they crowed about it, as you can see in the launch presentation. There are no dual fets.. there is a blank space next to each one.



Yeah craftmanship where they yank half your power circuitry, give you a paltry single connector and a blower cooler which is probably no better than what the 7970 shipped with... a complete fleecing.
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Wow. NVIDIA stuck exactly to its promised TDP of 180W and people like you bitch about it. Seriously?

The card being shown at release was not being fully utilized is pure conjecture, do you have any reliable source besides your behind? For all we know, it could've been running at 98% to deliver 60FPS, because when the clocks were shown it was a static screen. That's not lying, that's cherry picking. Get your terminologies straight. They didn't explicitly state that every single card you'll get will achieve 2.1GHz while getting 65oC on the default fan profile. They achieved it with that particular card running a private demo with a custom fan profile.

Why overengineer and add cost and complexity to the board when you promised 180W, stuck by it, and with overclocking, promised 216W, and stuck with it. 150W + 75W = 225W. Why have another 6/8pin if the PCB design is not going to be able to handle it? It's not a 250W card, it's a 180W card.

We have no idea how it'll turn out on launch day and you're already bitching about hypotheticals.

EDIT: The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Review - Page 24

Well that isn’t all that shabby now is it? After more than two hours working on Precision the core was able to hit a constant Boost speed of 2126MHz, representing a pretty shocking 400MHz+ overclock when compared to the standard load results I achieved. The memory got in on the party as well with a decent showing at5670MHz. This was all accomplished while maintaining a fan speed of 55% which proved to be quiet enough to not disturb gaming sessions.
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Who lied?
 
Man, that title. ;) I thought the $100 extra was getting lopped off, but nope.

The $100 extra still makes perfect sense given that Nvidia is the manufacturer of the GPU - they don't want to compete with their board partners directly for the same general card specifications. Removing the early adoption aspect to it probably makes the board partners even happier.
 
G_Sup said:
I have 2 GTX 780's and am going to make the jump, but going to wait for a couple of more months to see what becomes available. My 780's in SLI still play anything out there.
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Just wait for the hbm2 version later this year.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
He's such an obnoxious CEO.
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You know what though? He earned it all. Like him or not, can't fault him on enjoying himself. What the hell is the point in getting to that point, if you're going to ride a scooter to work? Unless you REALLY enjoy scooters I suppose... :p I can almost guarantee that anyone else would be pretty smug in his position.
 
schizo said:
My suggestion was that they should have based the reference card pitch on craftsmanship, stability, and quality. A long warranty means they stand behind their product.
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Ah, fair enough.

Also, I hope you didn't find that condescending, that wasn't my intent.
 
schizo said:
Well, sure. But it's tough to blame NV for that-- I'm sure they will have more inventory at launch, because they had more time to engineer their product. That isn't actually their fault.
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It really is. Would we blame anyone else in the same scenario? I think we would.

Either way it's fine with me because I'm waiting to see how this generation plays out. Somehow me and my 780 with make it....somehow *tear*.
 
Wow what an extremely misleading, clickbait title.

There are still $699 FE's. Just becuse you can buy cheaper AIB versins, doesn't mean the $699 FE's don't exist.
 
HockeyJon said:
Also, I hope you didn't find that condescending, that wasn't my intent.
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No problem, I don't take offense easily. It is the internet, after all.

kac77: The alternative would have been to delay release to the channel until both first and third-parties had enough inventory. Maybe another month. Would you have preferred that?
 
I don't even want a "fancy" 1080. I just want the stock model for $100 less.
 
schizo said:
No problem, I don't take offense easily. It is the internet, after all.

kac77: The alternative would have been to delay release to the channel until both first and third-parties had enough inventory. Maybe another month. Would you have preferred that?
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Well we'll never know why the launch date is what it is beyond that they wanted to do it. Generally yeah there should be a reasonable amount of inventory. However, it's too early to tell with this launch specifically. Who knows maybe the cards will stay in stock after Day 1.
 
Canadian dollar still sucks, so the new cards will be over $1000, just like the Vive and Rift. I just built a new PC at Christmas to replace my flaky Alienware R3 2600k, but I am putting the brakes on this hobby for while. Tech is just too pricey up here and its getter harder to justify it to myself.
 
VIC-20 said:
Canadian dollar still sucks, so the new cards will be over $1000, just like the Vive and Rift. I just built a new PC at Christmas to replace my flaky Alienware R3 2600k, but I am putting the brakes on this hobby for while. Tech is just too pricey up here and its getter harder to justify it to myself.
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Yeah, I've finally convinced myself do the same. Unfortunately I don't see the Canadian dollar going anywhere in the next few years, if anything it should get worst. It's bad, really bad.
 
Cross the border. Buy one. Throw away the box, rough up the anti-static bag, and throw it in the back of your car with a bunch of odds and ends. :D (there's still the matter of the currency swap though...)
 
mlkmade said:
Wow what an extremely misleading, clickbait title.

There are still $699 FE's. Just becuse you can buy cheaper AIB versins, doesn't mean the $699 FE's don't exist.
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L2Read. The title says the "Early Adopters Tax Goes Away". The original plan from Nvidia was to have the FE ($699) come earlier than custom GPUs from AIB partners ($599+) and people were pissed they had to pay an extra $100 to get a 1080 during the "early release". Nvidia remedied this by announcing that both the FE and custom cards from AIB partners will both start releasing on the 27th. Thus the "Early Adopters Tax Goes Away" and we instead just have a ~$99 premium if you want a FE card. What's hard to understand about this?
 
A better question...How much extra does that fancy vapor chamber cooler cost over a crappy non reference blower cooler? 50 bucks tops right?
 
Misleading
J3RK said:
You know what though? He earned it all. Like him or not, can't fault him on enjoying himself. What the hell is the point in getting to that point, if you're going to ride a scooter to work? Unless you REALLY enjoy scooters I suppose... :p I can almost guarantee that anyone else would be pretty smug in his position.
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the car is fine although 3 is like what? Still it was more the presentation and tattoo that I'm talking about.
 
Fixall said:
L2Read. The title says the "Early Adopters Tax Goes Away". The original plan from Nvidia was to have the FE ($699) come earlier than custom GPUs from AIB partners ($599+) and people were pissed they had to pay an extra $100 to get a 1080 during the "early release". Nvidia remedied this by announcing that both the FE and custom cards from AIB partners will both start releasing on the 27th. Thus the "Early Adopters Tax Goes Away" and we instead just have a ~$99 premium if you want a FE card. What's hard to understand about this?
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Of course it's a misleading title. It's technically correct, but the immediate connotations suggest a $100 price cut. The early adopters tax was, as we widely understood it, $100. Reporting that this 'tax' has gone away unarguably implies that the FE 1080 has become cheaper. A more accurate headline would have read: "nVidia to release FE 1080 same day as AIB Partner Cards; still costs $699."

Now, ten seconds of reading clears this up, but for people, such as myself, that use RSS reader devices/software (that only display 2 lines of text) this was highly disappointing. There's hardly a debate to be had.
 
I agree this whole thing was a mess. I also agree that $700 is more than I'm willing to pay. Sooooo, I won't. If I let shady marketing upset me, I'd always be upset

I eagerly await what the future holds though because going by the amount of engineers and businessmen across the internet scrutinizing how NV is fleecing us on both pricing and holding back performance, there should be a huge surge of new GPU manufacturers doubling or tripling performance at a fraction of the current prices in a few years. I mean if it's that easy and the margins are that big, surely we're on the cusp of a new GPU undercut war, right?
 
I'd get the $100 cheaper card even if it didn't come with a cooler at all $100 will buy you one hell of an aftermarket cooler. The Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV, which is in my mind the best aftermarket aircooler is available for significantly less than $100, you can also get a NZXT G10 bracket and a closed-loop cooler for it for less. EKs full-card waterblocks aren't even much more than $100.

I propose we all start calling it the "sucker edition".
 
NoxTek said:
Why.................?
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For the sake of the children
 
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