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DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

Rolling my eyes.

The Dan-A4 has been through much iteration and study before arriving at the point it's at today. dondan has been pretty open about the process, goals, and limitations he has to work with and frankly I think it's a bit idiotic to act like he hasn't thought this through, considering all the testing that's been sprinkled round this thread.

Would I, the mighty ElAntonius with my impressive resume of community designed cases, make a different set of trade offs? Maybe. Hell, you don't like what dondan is up to? Grab some tools and some sheet steel and make yourself a case. Borrow time on a laser cutter.

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dondan, congrats on the founding. I'm waiting with baited breath and my finger over the buy button on Kickstarter :p.
 
Kalaminator said:
A lot of stupid comments came to me
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Your first post in this thread (or, really, all of them) came across quite rude and ignorant. And what you shout into the forest will echo back.

Maybe you don't perceive yourself as rude and ignorant. And English clearly isn't your mother tongue. But that's the impression we got.

Always remember that on the internet you're just your words. We don't see all that charming non-verbal communication you may have going for you, we don't know what a nice chap you may be in real life.
 
There is nothing like DAN A4 available. So he can charge $1000 if he wants to.

A common cause of criticism is people not understanding how small and unique the case is. It is hard to understand because there has never been anything like it.
 
Kalaminator said:
This is my last comment to this thread
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at least he stuck to that.

I tried stating what you guys just did and he got my post deleted. it might have been the fact that I copy/pasted a nasty PM he sent me. idk...
I hope he got the point we were trying to make.
sweet case btw! hope I can get my hands on one later this year.
 
I've read through the thread and understand that you won't provide more than 1 usb port on the front due to aesthetics.

Is this something that you would likely (or possibly) change in future revisions? At the moment it's the only reason I'm considering an NCase over your system.

To the critics, I know it's a small case & most of you are happy to reach around and use the ports in the back. That won't be possible for me with the computer desk I'm making.
 
OmenemO said:
I've read through the thread and understand that you won't provide more than 1 usb port on the front due to aesthetics.

Is this something that you would likely (or possibly) change in future revisions?
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I will save him the trouble: NO. :) But the good news is that USB cables are cheap, so you can run a female plug from the back to wherever you like! Prices start at seventy-eight cents: hot sale 2ft USB 2.0 MALE TO FEMALE EXTENSION CABLE
 
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bAMtan2 said:
I will save him the trouble: NO. :) But the good news is that USB cables are cheap, so you can run a female plug from the back to wherever you like! Prices start at seventy-eight cents: hot sale 2ft USB 2.0 MALE TO FEMALE EXTENSION CABLE
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Thanks, I've considered setups involving building 3* USB hubs (One per pc) into my desk, they just won't look as tidy. The point of the question was to find out if it's worth waiting for a future revision of the case.

Honestly, I really want a decent mechanical keyboard with built in, powered usb 3.1 hub. When someone finally makes one, most of my issues will be solved.
 
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OmenemO said:
Thanks, I've considered setups involving building 3* USB hubs (One per pc) into my desk, they just won't look as tidy. The point of the question was to find out if it's worth waiting for a future revision of the case.

Honestly, I really want a decent mechanical keyboard with built in, powered usb 3.1 hub. When someone finally makes one, most of my issues will be solved.
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It is totally a different thing but HHKB has usb hub built in.
 
HI, dondan! I'm very interesting in the A4-SFX, but one question: the Max Size of SFX-L PSU?
I.E. High Power SFL-L400GD 12.5(W) x 13(L) x 6.3(H) cm not in the recommendation lists, looks like a litte bigger than Corsair SF600.
is it also available with A4-SFX?
 
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Hi dondan, what do you think is the maximum height in mm below an SFX PSU (taking into account modular cables) that can be used to stack hard disks? I'm thinking of stacking 15mm height 4TB disks below the SFX PSU, without using the supplied bracket.
 
Checking this thread is the first thing I do when I get to work, and I've been doing that since last November ha. I am committed to the cause.
 
cowsgomoo2 said:
Hi dondan, what do you think is the maximum height in mm below an SFX PSU (taking into account modular cables) that can be used to stack hard disks? I'm thinking of stacking 15mm height 4TB disks below the SFX PSU, without using the supplied bracket.
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I think it would also depends on whether the connectors for the modular cables are recessed or not, ie. Corsair's connectors are more recessed than Silverstone, giving a few extra mm of space.

dondan said:
The waiting time will be end in the next three weeks :)
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So the kickstarter campaign will be launched in 3 weeks?
 
Maybe earlier. I will add a coundown to my landingpage when the last 7 days starts ;)

cowsgomoo2 said:
Hi dondan, what do you think is the maximum height in mm below an SFX PSU (taking into account modular cables) that can be used to stack hard disks? I'm thinking of stacking 15mm height 4TB disks below the SFX PSU, without using the supplied bracket.
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Under a normal SFX PSU there is 74,5mm free space. I think the modular connectors and the wire will take 25-35mm space. So you have 49,5-39,5 mm free space. Maybe you can stack three drives.
 
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KarateOC said:
I think it would also depends on whether the connectors for the modular cables are recessed or not, ie. Corsair's connectors are more recessed than Silverstone, giving a few extra mm of space.
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Looks like I'll have to use the Corsair PSU then.

dondan said:
Under a normal SFX PSU there is 74,5mm free space. I think the modular connectors and the wire will take 25-35mm space. So you have 49,5-39,5 mm free space. Maybe you can stack three drives.
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Thanks for checking, I guess two (8TB) is enough for me.
 
From the site:

Hard Disk Drives
Note: With SFX-L you are limited to one drive in the drive bay

  • 2x 2,5" HDD/SSD in drive bay
    • Bottom drive: max. height 15mm
    • Top drive: max. height 15mm
  • 1 x 2.5" HDD/SSD in front-area
    • Max. height 9mm
 
absolut_zero said:
It was already answered by Dan some pages back.
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On TV shows they turn the cans around backwards, or put a piece of tape over the logo :) In any case, the brand of can doesn't matter! Anything that provides a sense of scale will work. A mouse, a keyboard, an apple, etc.
 
bAMtan2 said:
On TV shows they turn the cans around backwards, or put a piece of tape over the logo :) In any case, the brand of can doesn't matter! Anything that provides a sense of scale will work. A mouse, a keyboard, an apple, etc.
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Or a ream of A4 paper, since both have 'A4'. :)
 
Ehh.. Quick question!

What about the mobos with a m.2 slot on the back, will the m.2 card touch the riser?

If it does, will the heat of m.2 drive damage the riser? they go up to 55 C and more...

I did a seach, but i couldn't find any answer on this thread...
 
Pantera_666 said:
Ehh.. Quick question!

What about the mobos with a m.2 slot on the back, will the m.2 card touch the riser?

If it does, will the heat of m.2 drive damage the riser? they go up to 55 C and more...

I did a seach, but i couldn't find any answer on this thread...
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That's a good and important question because many of us will be trying a backside m2 ssd for the first time! Dan has posted about this before, and I think it should be mentioned in the kickstarter.
 
Pantera_666 said:
Ehh.. Quick question!

What about the mobos with a m.2 slot on the back, will the m.2 card touch the riser?

If it does, will the heat of m.2 drive damage the riser? they go up to 55 C and more...

I did a seach, but i couldn't find any answer on this thread...
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Here are some facts:
1) There is a thin, transparent electrically non-conductive film sheet between the mobo and GPU areas.
2) The riser can go on either side of the film.
3) The riser data is here: Product Catalog: 3M™ Twin Axial PCI Express X16 Extender Assemblies
4) Dan used a "top-mounted" M.2 drive on his X99 testbed. https://dan-cases.com/img/faq/x99_1.jpg
5) Minimum standoff height for a motherboard tray is 6.35mm per the ATX specification.
6) The Samsung 950 Pro has a rated operating range of 0C to 70C.
7) There may be room on the bottom vent to install a fan to cool the area between the mobo and the GPU area.
 
bAMtan2 said:
That's a good and important question because many of us will be trying a backside m2 ssd for the first time! Dan has posted about this before, and I think it should be mentioned in the kickstarter.
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I took a look at the 3M website for the riser cable, and they have datasheets about the riser and the cabling that it uses. Despite the metallic appearance of the cable, they are not conductive. It's a translucent polyester film on top of an aluminum sheathing. The melting point for polyester is somewhere around 250°C, so things should be just fine as long as the film doesn't get scratched.

edit: looks like jtd871 beat me to it :p
 
I'm dying for this so I can start my next build. I guess it's for the best since I'll be waiting on Polaris/Pascal anyway. It's crazy to think there's a case out there that has a smaller footprint than the Razer core and houses a full gaming rig inside.
 
Myself included. I upgraded gradually so the case will be the in the final pieces. A lot going on his summer.

Cpu: 4790k - check
Mb: Asus Impact 7 - check
Cooler: Cryorig C7 - check
Ram: 16 GB Crucial Tactical Tracers - check
Psu: Corsair SFX 600 - check
Ssd: Samsung 950 pro 512 gb - pending
Gpug: Pascal or 980 Ti - pending
Case: A4 - pending

Almost there.
 
Pantera_666 said:
Ehh.. Quick question!

What about the mobos with a m.2 slot on the back, will the m.2 card touch the riser?

If it does, will the heat of m.2 drive damage the riser? they go up to 55 C and more...

I did a seach, but i couldn't find any answer on this thread...
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I test it last year with an mSATA SSD on the backside of my old Asorck z77e-ITX. I had no problems. Max temp was 53°C.
It isn't a problem if the SSD touch the riser, because the riser isn't conductive on the outside.
The heat of the SSD isn't a problem for the riser ;)
 
Rorschach said:
Myself included. I upgraded gradually so the case will be the in the final pieces. A lot going on his summer.

Cpu: 4790k - check
Mb: Asus Impact 7 - check
Cooler: Cryorig C7 - check
Ram: 16 GB Crucial Tactical Tracers - check
Psu: Corsair SFX 600 - check
Ssd: Samsung 950 pro 512 gb - pending
Gpug: Pascal or 980 Ti - pending
Case: A4 - pending

Almost there.
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What is your imprenssion on SFX 600?
 
Tom's positively gushed over the Corsair SF450 recently. The 600 uses the same fan, so it's likely a bit more noisy than the 450 due to the added heat/wattage. That being said, Aibohphobia liked his SF600 sample (see the review on SFFN).
 
I'm wondering, is it even possible to build a system in the A4 that uses more than 450W? I think if you get the hungriest CPU and GPU and 3 SSDs, it'll still be less than that. But it'll probably come close to it. So I'm thinking about getting the 600W just for peace of mind + possibility of using it in a different config.
 
I wonder how good the temps are with the Cryorig C7 in the DAN A4 case with a slightly oc'd i7 at 4-4.2 GHz.
 
QuantumBraced said:
I'm wondering, is it even possible to build a system in the A4 that uses more than 450W? I think if you get the hungriest CPU and GPU and 3 SSDs, it'll still be less than that. But it'll probably come close to it. So I'm thinking about getting the 600W just for peace of mind + possibility of using it in a different config.
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you make a good point. here's an example of an entire system under load: http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2015/09/12101819491l.jpg

GTX980Ti
Intel Core i7-4960X @ 4.4GHz
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme
Corsair Dominator Platinum 2133
Corsair AX1500i
Corsair Neutron GTX
Corsair H100i
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So even with a WATER PUMP! these systems still used less than 450W. You would
need to buy the MOST expensive hardware AND overclock it to exceed 450W in the DAN-A4. 450W doesn't sound like a lot in the days of 1500W PSUs, but 450W is actually a LOT! :)
 
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