DAN A4-SFX: The smallest gaming case in the world

I'm dying for this so I can start my next build. I guess it's for the best since I'll be waiting on Polaris/Pascal anyway. It's crazy to think there's a case out there that has a smaller footprint than the Razer core and houses a full gaming rig inside.
 
Myself included. I upgraded gradually so the case will be the in the final pieces. A lot going on his summer.

Cpu: 4790k - check
Mb: Asus Impact 7 - check
Cooler: Cryorig C7 - check
Ram: 16 GB Crucial Tactical Tracers - check
Psu: Corsair SFX 600 - check
Ssd: Samsung 950 pro 512 gb - pending
Gpug: Pascal or 980 Ti - pending
Case: A4 - pending

Almost there.
 
Pantera_666 said:
Ehh.. Quick question!

What about the mobos with a m.2 slot on the back, will the m.2 card touch the riser?

If it does, will the heat of m.2 drive damage the riser? they go up to 55 C and more...

I did a seach, but i couldn't find any answer on this thread...
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I test it last year with an mSATA SSD on the backside of my old Asorck z77e-ITX. I had no problems. Max temp was 53°C.
It isn't a problem if the SSD touch the riser, because the riser isn't conductive on the outside.
The heat of the SSD isn't a problem for the riser ;)
 
Rorschach said:
Myself included. I upgraded gradually so the case will be the in the final pieces. A lot going on his summer.

Cpu: 4790k - check
Mb: Asus Impact 7 - check
Cooler: Cryorig C7 - check
Ram: 16 GB Crucial Tactical Tracers - check
Psu: Corsair SFX 600 - check
Ssd: Samsung 950 pro 512 gb - pending
Gpug: Pascal or 980 Ti - pending
Case: A4 - pending

Almost there.
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What is your imprenssion on SFX 600?
 
Tom's positively gushed over the Corsair SF450 recently. The 600 uses the same fan, so it's likely a bit more noisy than the 450 due to the added heat/wattage. That being said, Aibohphobia liked his SF600 sample (see the review on SFFN).
 
I'm wondering, is it even possible to build a system in the A4 that uses more than 450W? I think if you get the hungriest CPU and GPU and 3 SSDs, it'll still be less than that. But it'll probably come close to it. So I'm thinking about getting the 600W just for peace of mind + possibility of using it in a different config.
 
I wonder how good the temps are with the Cryorig C7 in the DAN A4 case with a slightly oc'd i7 at 4-4.2 GHz.
 
QuantumBraced said:
I'm wondering, is it even possible to build a system in the A4 that uses more than 450W? I think if you get the hungriest CPU and GPU and 3 SSDs, it'll still be less than that. But it'll probably come close to it. So I'm thinking about getting the 600W just for peace of mind + possibility of using it in a different config.
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you make a good point. here's an example of an entire system under load: http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2015/09/12101819491l.jpg

GTX980Ti
Intel Core i7-4960X @ 4.4GHz
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme
Corsair Dominator Platinum 2133
Corsair AX1500i
Corsair Neutron GTX
Corsair H100i
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So even with a WATER PUMP! these systems still used less than 450W. You would
need to buy the MOST expensive hardware AND overclock it to exceed 450W in the DAN-A4. 450W doesn't sound like a lot in the days of 1500W PSUs, but 450W is actually a LOT! :)
 
Thanks for the link. Cryorig C7 it is then. Dondan, maybe post that Funky Kit Link to the front of this thread?
 
M4vr1c1o said:
What is your imprenssion on SFX 600?
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Love it ! Currently on a GTX 650 until i get a new video card and in a Thermaltake V1 core mitx case until i have the new parts.
I put my ear on the psu when the fan starts to spin, i almost can't hear anything. No coil noise nothing.
It's very silent. And i also had the Silverstone 600W SFX, which was an opera house of noises.
The cables seam stiff but i will know for sure when i have the A4.

The only thing i presume it's coming from the PSU is the fact that it does a quick click sound when it shuts down - relay turning off?
 
QuantumBraced said:
I'm wondering, is it even possible to build a system in the A4 that uses more than 450W? I think if you get the hungriest CPU and GPU and 3 SSDs, it'll still be less than that. But it'll probably come close to it. So I'm thinking about getting the 600W just for peace of mind + possibility of using it in a different config.
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I plan on running a i5-6600 CPU, 2.5" SSD and 970-class GPU on the 450.
 
Availability of the Cryorig C7 seems quite nonexisting in Germany at the moment unfortunately. Just two websites selling it and with 20days+ shipping time. Do you think that a Noctua L9i can cool a 6700K sufficiently and quietly when in idle? (i might undervolt/underclock it a bit)
It should work out, however I'm a little bit concerned about the 95W rated TDP and I can't really judge it from Dan's measurements since they were done with a 70W TDP CPU.
 
Aircoookie said:
Availability of the Cryorig C7 seems quite nonexisting in Germany at the moment unfortunately. Just two websites selling it and with 20days+ shipping time. Do you think that a Noctua L9i can cool a 6700K sufficiently and quietly when in idle? (i might undervolt/underclock it a bit)
It should work out, however I'm a little bit concerned about the 95W rated TDP and I can't really judge it from Dan's measurements since they were done with a 70W TDP CPU.
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I would say just order it now? That way you would still end up getting it before we get our hands on the A4s. :O
 
Ok guys... I'm tired of thinking about this...

I need your help with my build on this little monster...

There will be FOUR (4) RULES:

1. It will be Z170 mobo, no X99 please...
2. Forget about the GPU, i got that covered...
3. The heatsink is the Cryorig C7, no doubt...
4. Money is not a issue, i repeat, MONEY IS NOT A ISSUE!!!

Ok, now that we are clear on the rules, i want to make the most fastest, effective, and badass build than money can buy in the A4 ;) ;) ;)



So far i'm thinking on this build:

Mobo: Impact VIII (U.2 is a issue over M.2)

Ram: Corsair Dominator DDR4 16x2 3200Mhz

CPU: I7 6700K (obviously)

Storage: Intel 750 1.2TB

Psu: Corsair SF600

I know, it's the most expensive $hit out there, but what is bothering me about it is the U.2 port...



So i also was thinking on this build:

Mobo: [ INSERT MOBO HERE :) ]

Ram: Corsair Dominator DDR4 16x2 3200Mhz

CPU: I7 6700K (obviously, again)

Storage: Samsung 950 512GB

Psu: Corsair SF600

There's a lot of mobos with M.2 port out there and i don't really know which one is the better or more convenient of those...


SOOOOOOOO...... Any advices guys???

Thanks a lot in advance ;)
 
If money isn't an issue, why not get a Gigabyte G1/ Asrock Fata1ity board, and instead of a 6700K (Since that's a fast/ warm chip as is and OCing will push the wee little C7), get a 6700(non K).
It's a ~30W difference in TDP and only 200mhz difference in the boost clock.

Unless you were planning to use the K for something other than normal OC'ing.
 
Pantera_666 said:
Mobo: Impact VIII (U.2 is a issue over M.2)

I know, it's the most expensive $hit out there, but what is bothering me about it is the U.2 port...
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What problem does the U.2 present…? (Aside from being another cable to route, and requiring at least one SATA power connection from the PSU)

I was once up in arms at Asus because they ditched the M.2 for the U.2; then I started reading specs & reviews & such on the Intel 750-series SSDs that U.2 is designed to connect to…

No more worries, I am fully on the U.2 Bandwagon now…

And as I see it, the larger surface area of the 750 SSD, along with the integrated heat sink, will allow one to keep that blazing fast NVMe SSD cooler than a tiny stick of gum sized M.2 wedged between ones MB & MB tray…

And if you are throwing money at a build; how can you go wrong throwing over a grand at a 1.2TB 750-series SSD…?!? ;^p

(for my build, and lesser budget, I will stick with the 400GB version…)
 
Boil said:
What problem does the U.2 present…?
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Yeah... I mean, as i said, money is not an issue, performance is great and whatever... is just that i don't want to get to a dead end, you know what i mean?

So far i've seen a few m.2 drives out there, and only one u.2...

Also there's m.2 to u.2 adapters (i know is not useful in this situation), but there,s not u.2 to m.2 adapters... There must be a reason for that...
 
Pantera_666 said:
I like to have the possibility of under/over clocking with no issues... you know, if there's any overheating i can always underclock the CPU...
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Sounds like fine reasoning to me. :)

I'm not really concerned that it would overheat, but I'm just trying to be careful for your sake since my 3570K gets pretty warm when OC'd.
I probably could control the voltage though, right now it's on auto because I'm lazy.
 
Pantera_666 said:
Yeah... I mean, as i said, money is not an issue, performance is great and whatever... is just that i don't want to get to a dead end, you know what i mean?

So far i've seen a few m.2 drives out there, and only one u.2...

Also there's m.2 to u.2 adapters (i know is not useful in this situation), but there,s not u.2 to m.2 adapters... There must be a reason for that...
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By that logic, maybe you should hold off on that 6700K i7; I mean, that 1151 socket ain't gonna be around forever…
 
That's exactly what i did, i though i was alone on this. :)
I choose my upgrade path just because of that U.2 connector.
I know maybe silly for the M.2 option to dictate all of my build, but for me an i7 4790k with the Impact 7 offers more than the 6700k with the Impact 8.
I really like the idea to eliminate the extra sata wire and everything is on the motherboard.
Plus i only need 512 gb (like the 950 pro) for my games and workflow. Plus when Samsung releases the 1 TB version.
My other option was the x99 but i don't know how i would have cooled it properly.
 
I need a MB between mITX & mATX; one with a double-spaced PCIe 3.0 x16 slot & a single-spaced PCIe 3.0 x4 slot…
 
Pantera_666 said:
So far i've seen a few m.2 drives out there, and only one u.2...

Also there's m.2 to u.2 adapters (i know is not useful in this situation), but there,s not u.2 to m.2 adapters... There must be a reason for that...
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Because there are very few boards that actually have a U.2 connector, and because U.2 doesn't supply power. You don't buy a board with U.2 and then decide to downgrade to M.2, but you might do it the other way around. Or you might want to upgrade at a later date, which M.2 to U.2 adapters work great for. They're very simple and require no more cables than a U.2 port integrated into the board.
A U.2 to M.2 adapter would not only require an additional power input, which gets bulky, but would also need mounting points in the case, which would probably be 2.5" ones anyway, so at that point you can just go for a U.2 SSD in the first place.

So a U.2 to M.2 adapter has less uses, is more complicated and has a much smaller market. That's a pretty good reason why it doesn't exist.
 
iFreilicht said:
So a U.2 to M.2 adapter has less uses
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You got it!

That's why i can't make a decision on the mobo...

I'll be so glad if the impact VIII had m.2 in the same spot of the u.2... you know, parallel to the audio board, like a vertical sided port, don't know if gou got me...

Maybe by the time the A4 is around we'll have more options, but i doubt it...

There has been no announcements on any new ITX mobo, as far as i know, and every one out there has their pros an cons...
 
illram said:
I'm one of those crotchety old geezers still using the old fashioned 2.5" SSD. From my cold dead hands!
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I like the idea of NVMe, but the price premium is still a bit too high. A SATA3 SSD is still darned quick.
 
More and more motherboards come with SATA-E sockets. Gigabyte's boards come with two of them. Those drives are what I am looking forward to the most. 2.5" form factor so lots of space.
 
Findecanor said:
More and more motherboards come with SATA-E sockets. Gigabyte's boards come with two of them. Those drives are what I am looking forward to the most. 2.5" form factor so lots of space.
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You can't use those angled SATAe ports in the A4 though, right? The PSU is too close to the mainboard IIRC.
 
iFreilicht said:
You can't use those angled SATAe ports in the A4 though, right? The PSU is too close to the mainboard IIRC.
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You might be able to use them with silverstone's CP11 cables.
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So guys it is nearly done :)


The layout and the text for the Kickstarter campaign are nearly final. Now I need some proofreaders and design reviser to check the campaign, because my English isn't the best. I search for 4-5 people that have high skills in English grammar and orthography. If you are interested in please send me a PM and you will get a preview link.


Today I ordered a camera slider for my DSLR. I try to make a good video for the campaign. It will not be an introduction video of myself, but a presentation video of the A4-SFX with assembly.

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I think you also need a video of yourself as in, you with your face shown and talking a little bit, so that the backers will know you and have some grade of trust and won't think that this is some kind of anonymous scam.
 
I disagree on the video of Dan himself. The photos and video of the product will speak for itself. People will know quality when they see it. I don't see anyone being hesitant as soon as this launches and if there is a meter showing how many backers people will join in no problem.
 
Vexel said:
I think you also need a video of yourself as in, you with your face shown and talking a little bit, so that the backers will know you and have some grade of trust and won't think that this is some kind of anonymous scam.
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Heavily disagree on that. A lot of kickstarter campaigns are putting the founder too much in the focus of the video. Unless they are really good at selling their product and add something to the video, it always seems like they just want to get attention for themselves, not just their product. Often times it seems unprofessional more than anything. As Dan isn't particularly fluid in English, it would probably be a bad move to have him in there.

I think his decision is perfectly correct. This is a premium product and it should be presented like one, not like some garage project.
 
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