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SomeGuy133

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Alright so don't clone an encrypted drive using TrueImage. I tried that and it broke my drive and I had to use my rescue disc to salvage it. I was hoping it would clone it bit for bit still encrypted but that definitely did not work.

I used my rescue disc and got it working again and decrypting first. I have an alertec cloner but I don't know if it works with NVMe drives as in I have no adapter to make my 950 PRO work in a SATA slot to try it out so was trying to use TrueImage but that was a bust.

I'll update and see how it works after i fully decrypt the drive first.
 
Isnt that why its encrypted?

Ive never been able to image (Ghost, Acronis, etc) a drive here at work, ours are encrypted with PointSec.
 
It is a bugger but as dbwillis said, if it didnt do screw up the copy, it wouldnt be worth using.
Thats why my PC has a 10" thick titanium cage with atomic lock, no need to encrypt :p
 
Just boot a Linux CD and use dd.

And no, why would encryption prevent cloning?
 
If the encryption hashes hardware details as well.
It wont prevent the cloning but the decryption would fail.
Its not like that cant be bluffed but its another level of complexity.
 
I can only assume you're talking about a TPM holding the key. That would bind the disk to the hardware.

But VC doesn't do that and disk encryption doesn't dongle the disk to the hardware just because, or whatever "encryption hashes hardware details" is supposed to mean.
 
Friends don't let friends use Acronis.

Just do the backup while it is running and you get an unencrypted backup. My favorite backup software is the Terabyte products.

I think their Image for Linux boot disk supports offline backups and directly supports TrueCrypt partitions, although I've never used that feature. In any case, you get the whole suite of backup products for $50 and it's well worth it. 'Not quite as point-and-click as Acronis, but it is so much better, and once you decide upon the options you like it can be passed to a backup job with a script.

Edit: VeraCrypt is already in the latest version.
 
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boss6021 said:
Any reasoning? I almost exclusively use Acronis because of how dependable, and easy to use it is.
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I used to have problems with it. Installs a crapload of stuff. Previously (currently??) was very hard to uninstall cleanly. Terabyte's products have a much smaller footprint. Very good programming with no bloat. Never failed a backup or restore ever.
 
TCM2 said:
Just boot a Linux CD and use dd.

And no, why would encryption prevent cloning?
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i believe the way TrueImage cloning works is it requires seeing the actual "volume/partitions" it doesn't simply copy bit for bit so while TrueImage loads its linux disctro it tried skipping the part where i can unlock the drive via password so it bricks the drive and i had to use the rescue disk to salvage it.
 
Just use Partimage and do a bit for bit copy, done that numerous times without problems, on encrypted disks or use dd as other said.


on the other hand i used Acronis on some servers and it worked very well, like the fact it's based on linux and do support Raid cards.
 
I was thinking of encrypting my laptop, but after reading these threads, sounds like it's a PITA to use Acronis for making an image.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
Alright so don't clone an encrypted drive using TrueImage. I tried that and it broke my drive and I had to use my rescue disc to salvage it. I was hoping it would clone it bit for bit still encrypted but that definitely did not work.
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Did you select sector by sector copy in advanced options?
 
Meeho said:
Did you select sector by sector copy in advanced options?
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never saw that in an option in TI 2016. 2016 interface is fucking annoying. Know where those settings are?

Executioner said:
I was thinking of encrypting my laptop, but after reading these threads, sounds like it's a PITA to use Acronis for making an image.
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backing up the image while in the OS is not an issue. Just make sure you have the back up image in an encrypted drive or container. This is only an issue with trying to clone on the same PC using the linux distro acronis uses. If i cloned this on a separate PC this probably would have worked.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
never saw that in an option in TI 2016. 2016 interface is fucking annoying. Know where those settings are?
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Haven't used 2016, but there should be options when you're setting up the imaging/cloning and somewhere under Advanced or similar there should be an option to do it sector-by-sector and include unallocated space too.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
backing up the image while in the OS is not an issue. Just make sure you have the back up image in an encrypted drive or container. This is only an issue with trying to clone on the same PC using the linux distro acronis uses. If i cloned this on a separate PC this probably would have worked.
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OK I'm a noob here, but what does "in an encrypted drive or container" mean? I currently use Acronis to backup my SSD to my portable USB drive.
 
Executioner said:
OK I'm a noob here, but what does "in an encrypted drive or container" mean? I currently use Acronis to backup my SSD to my portable USB drive.
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the issue we are talking about is trying to get acronis to clone a drive that is encrypted with veracrypt on the same PC, which requires cloning the drive using their live linux distro. Backing up is not an issue because the OS is in a "decrypted" state as far as the OS is concerned.
 
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