Internet Porn Causing A Decline In Marriage

shiznit said:
Have you ever considered that possibility that your belief system is also a fantasy and the rest of us don't want it forced on us?
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What are you, a 99%'r? There is no " rest of us". There is you, and your constituents who are opposed to other sets of beliefs. You are no different than any other belief group out there.
 
atp1916 said:
What are you, a 99%'r? There is no " rest of us". There is you, and your constituents who are opposed to other sets of beliefs. You are no different than any other belief group out there.
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I was referring to the other people in the thread who were also opposed to overly legislating morality.
 
ManofGod said:
Porn is stupid and literally is one of the single most destructive forms selfishness around. No stupid, that girl on the screen is not looking at you and does not like you. :eek:
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I would agree that it is stupid. I'd also add gross and not particularly flattering to the sad fucks who watch it

All that being said, it's pretty harmless. It doesn't make you love your significant other any less, or make you cheat. It's an innocent fantasy, just like whacking off in the shower.

The hyperbole could be toned down a bit.
 
ManofGod said:
If you are not married, you are not committed for marriage is commitment. The only reason to remain unmarried is you are hoping to have a easy out if things do not go the way you want.
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There are very many reasons not to get married, and you can be very committed to someone without a paper that states as much.
 
shiznit said:
Have you ever considered that possibility that your belief system is also a fantasy and the rest of us don't want it forced on us?
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Even without Christ, it does not take a genius to figure out truth from error. Although, for those who do not want to see it, they will do everything to ignore it.
 
Ah porn... All of the sexual goodies of marriage without any of the work required. It's great and convenient, but it still can't deliver the intimacy that each of us desires. That's one of many reasons it leaves people feeling empty and addicted, even if they've grown to hate it.

Porn, whether or not we admit it, is one of the biggest fuck-ups ever.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Ah porn... All of the sexual goodies of marriage without any of the work required. It's great and convenient, but it still can't deliver the intimacy that each of us desires. That's one of many reasons it leaves people feeling empty and addicted, even if they've grown to hate it.

Porn, whether or not we admit it, is one of the biggest fuck-ups ever.
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I suppose if you are single that might be true. I'm married though and sometimes I just want to rub one out in 5 minutes and move on with my day. :D
 
Zarathustra[H];1041329253 said:
I would agree that it is stupid. I'd also add gross and not particularly flattering to the sad fucks who watch it

All that being said, it's pretty harmless. It doesn't make you love your significant other any less, or make you cheat. It's an innocent fantasy, just like whacking off in the shower.

The hyperbole could be toned down a bit.
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He's actually spot on with his claims of selfishness. If I watch porn, then I'm being selfish because my wife wants me to enjoy her and not some other women.

If I'm single, I'm still being selfish because I'm destroying a future marriage with porn issues that will later come back to haunt my marriage. You cannot expose yourself to that kind of sexual release without consequences. It's not possible. If you think it is - you're just deceiving yourself. All we need to do is just look around at the number of porn addicts and sex addicts today and see it.

Porn just cheapens sex. What used to be a very wonderful gift to have between a man and his wife (it still is!), is now considered by our culture to be something that's bought and sold. The sad part is that many people now don't even know what really good sex is. Oh well - this is the Front Page News so take it with a grain of salt.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Ah porn... All of the sexual goodies of marriage without any of the work required. It's great and convenient, but it still can't deliver the intimacy that each of us desires. That's one of many reasons it leaves people feeling empty and addicted, even if they've grown to hate it.

Porn, whether or not we admit it, is one of the biggest fuck-ups ever.
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Thanks, QFT!
 
jbltecnicspro said:
He's actually spot on with his claims of selfishness. If I watch porn, then I'm being selfish because my wife wants me to enjoy her and not some other women.

If I'm single, I'm still being selfish because I'm destroying a future marriage with porn issues that will later come back to haunt my marriage. You cannot expose yourself to that kind of sexual release without consequences. It's not possible. If you think it is - you're just deceiving yourself. All we need to do is just look around at the number of porn addicts and sex addicts today and see it.

Porn just cheapens sex. What used to be a very wonderful gift to have between a man and his wife (it still is!), is now considered by our culture to be something that's bought and sold. The sad part is that many people now don't even know what really good sex is. Oh well - this is the Front Page News so take it with a grain of salt.
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QFT

Best post I've read so far.
 
sex has always been bought and sold, don't delude yourself
 
I think people actually having sex like they were just shaking hands has cheapened sex far more than Playboy ever could.
 
Marriage was in decline long before internet porn. I grew up in the 80s and early 90s and it seemed like everyones' parents were getting divorced, including my own.
 
Really? I'm surprised they didn't include the number of couples living together unmarried into their equation. Not doing that makes this information totally worthless.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
Marriage was in decline long before internet porn. I grew up in the 80s and early 90s and it seemed like everyones' parents were getting divorced, including my own.
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Back in the day if people weren't happy with their spouse they'd have an affair and keep the marriage together.

These days people expect more out of marriage than before.
 
ManofGod said:
Thanks, QFT!
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Actually it's not true, maybe i is for you and most people, but lots of happy couples use porn in a healthy way to become more intimate with each other. Things like shared fantasy, role-playing, and experimenting can be just what the doctor ordered to pull an other-wise lac-luster marriage back into a hot steamy romance.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
He's actually spot on with his claims of selfishness. If I watch porn, then I'm being selfish because my wife wants me to enjoy her and not some other women.

If I'm single, I'm still being selfish because I'm destroying a future marriage with porn issues that will later come back to haunt my marriage. You cannot expose yourself to that kind of sexual release without consequences. It's not possible. If you think it is - you're just deceiving yourself. All we need to do is just look around at the number of porn addicts and sex addicts today and see it.

Porn just cheapens sex. What used to be a very wonderful gift to have between a man and his wife (it still is!), is now considered by our culture to be something that's bought and sold. The sad part is that many people now don't even know what really good sex is. Oh well - this is the Front Page News so take it with a grain of salt.
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I'm sorry your marriage and sex life is boring.
 
shiznit said:
For someone who came out guns blazing about the lessons of history you seem to know very little. In most cultures marriage was a property transaction between the father of the bride and her future husband. She had very little say in the matter and she was expected to produce an heir. In return she was subsidized by her husband (shelter, protection, nourisment, etc...)
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I was referring to the more modern westernized concept of marriage, not 3rd world arranged marriages or marriages from hundreds of years ago.
 
Some wives are not against porn. In fact some are very open about watching it and doing the things that they do in porn.
 
It's actually true, porn has led to less marriage. But not because we rather watch porn than be married

its simply that porn shows us what women are supposed to look like, they are supposed to look like women.. slim, with curves, and hips..

this is in far contrast to what is walking the streets, things that cant even be called women, they look more like men, huge sumo wrestlers and football linebackers.. america has been growing women, that look like men

and thanks to free porn, we are waking up, and seeing this.. and saying hell no.. im not gonna marry something that looks like a man, i want a real woman

sadly, about the only place to find those are old russian breakoff states, japan, and the phillipines.. maybe mexico
 
jojo69 said:
supply and demand

it is already a cliche, but I have seen more pussy than all of my male ancestors combined
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Translation: "Blah, blah, bragging about sexual conquests to feel superior to dead people who don't care."

it does tend to erode the absolute power women used to exercise over men
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Absolute power? At what point and place was there ever a matriarchal society except in dumb books written by men with submissive fantasies? I'm pretty sure that recorded history which is mostly written by the "victors" (meaning men) is full of instances of female enslavement, women with oppressed political voices, women without property ownership rights, and women who were abused and beaten by men. Even today, the VAST majority of violent sexual crimes are carried out by men on women. So please, get over your bragging inferiority complex and step out of your invented non-reality to do a tiny bit of critical thinking.
 
jfolds said:
and thanks to free porn, we are waking up, and seeing this.. and saying hell no.. im not gonna marry something that looks like a man, i want a real woman

sadly, about the only place to find those are old russian breakoff states, japan, and the phillipines.. maybe mexico
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LOL
 
Dekoth-E- said:
I'm sorry your marriage and sex life is boring.
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Lol! :D My wife and I got a chuckle out of this. Marriage and sex life is anything but boring. Believe it or not, it is possible to be very satisfied with just one woman. And thus, my last post in this thread. It's been a discussion. ;)
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Lol! :D My wife and I got a chuckle out of this. Marriage and sex life is anything but boring. Believe it or not, it is possible to be very satisfied with just one woman. And thus, my last post in this thread. It's been a discussion. ;)
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Well... that was my second to last post. I correct myself - it's been a GOOD discussion. Hurray no edit! :D
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Translation: "Blah, blah, bragging about sexual conquests to feel superior to dead people who don't care."



Absolute power? At what point and place was there ever a matriarchal society except in dumb books written by men with submissive fantasies? I'm pretty sure that recorded history which is mostly written by the "victors" (meaning men) is full of instances of female enslavement, women with oppressed political voices, women without property ownership rights, and women who were abused and beaten by men. Even today, the VAST majority of violent sexual crimes are carried out by men on women. So please, get over your bragging inferiority complex and step out of your invented non-reality to do a tiny bit of critical thinking.
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In a modern context in the civilized world, up until very recently women have controlled the supply of pussy, the only thing straight men really care about.

Income inequality, access to high status jobs, bla, bla, bla, all feeble second prizes to what men really want.

I am a feminist and if we lived in a society where women were routinely coerced you would be correct, but in the West, and not counting crime, which is, well, crime, we do not.

The proliferation of pornography is a social positive because it allows men an alternative to being led around by their dicks with the prize always dangled just out of reach. Without the raging desperation we have the opportunity to actually get to know women and surprise surprise...take away sex and they are not nearly as worth putting up with as we thought.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Lol! :D My wife and I got a chuckle out of this. Marriage and sex life is anything but boring. Believe it or not, it is possible to be very satisfied with just one woman. And thus, my last post in this thread. It's been a discussion. ;)
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Missionary is boring after 15+ years. Never said anything about including others, but there are toys that wouldn't exist without the adult industry and things we found amazingly fun we wouldn't of ever thought of ourselves. So again, sorry you are content with mediocrity.
 
jojo69 said:
In a modern context in the civilized world, up until very recently women have controlled the supply of pussy, the only thing straight men really care about.

Income inequality, access to high status jobs, bla, bla, bla, all feeble second prizes to what men really want.

I am a feminist and if we lived in a society where women were routinely coerced you would be correct, but in the West, and not counting crime, which is, well, crime, we do not.

The proliferation of pornography is a social positive because it allows men an alternative to being led around by their dicks with the prize always dangled just out of reach. Without the raging desperation we have the opportunity to actually get to know women and surprise surprise...take away sex and they are not nearly as worth putting up with as we thought.
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I'm pretty sure there are things a lot lower on the like needs latter than sex. That's like level 3/4 stuff and there are more important things to worry about. I've met lots of people and not all of them constantly think about sex. In fact, those are really the only ones worth talking to most of the time so thank goodness that they're not exceptionally rare or anything.

As far as porn is concerned, I personally have nothing against it as I'd much prefer if the people addicted to breeding leave the rest of us alone to do more useful things with our time.
 
jojo69 said:
In a modern context in the civilized world, up until very recently women have controlled the supply of pussy, the only thing straight men really care about.

Income inequality, access to high status jobs, bla, bla, bla, all feeble second prizes to what men really want.

I am a feminist and if we lived in a society where women were routinely coerced you would be correct, but in the West, and not counting crime, which is, well, crime, we do not.

The proliferation of pornography is a social positive because it allows men an alternative to being led around by their dicks with the prize always dangled just out of reach. Without the raging desperation we have the opportunity to actually get to know women and surprise surprise...take away sex and they are not nearly as worth putting up with as we thought.
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Thats a good point! The guys arent as pussy whipped anymore as it used to be in the past. Some have actually got their balls back and now behave more rationally and logically depending on whom they are in a relationship/marriage with. A lot has to do with their partner.
 
Internet porn addiction is a real problem for some men. There are dudes out there who have pretty much given up on trying to date because it's too much work with too much risk (of rejection) when they can simply stay home and wank it to 800 bazillion different vids within seconds of sitting at the keyboard.
 
WaltC said:
What morons...I suppose the cost of divorce and child-support these days has nothing whatever to do with a drop in the marriage rates, eh? Pornography has *always* been around...long before AOL signed on it's first day in business...marriage and divorce have also been around far longer than the Internet.

What silly "study" can we expect next? "Why people need to breathe," maybe? Yea, gosh--sure like to know the answer to that perplexing, age-old enigma..! More government waste and abuse...right before our very eyes! It never ceases...
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Not that there isn't government waste, but this is not an example of it. Maybe you should read up on what you are commenting on before you open your trap. just sayin.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Too many of you seem to equate marriage = long term relationship. Unfortunately marriage is just a legal term and one that at least in the US most smart people should avoid. You don't have to be married to be in a long term relationship with someone. I've been married for 16 years now, had I know half of what I know today I never would of done it. However I would STILL be with the same woman I am with, I would still have kids and everything else. I don't need that piece of paper for anything. I constantly tell anyone thinking about getting married to not do it. Stay with the person, develop a life together but don't put yourself into a legal contract that can likely screw you over should things go sour down the road. Especially if you are a male living in the US, you lose every single time. It isn't worth it on any level. Every single person I've met over the years who are in committed long term relationships but never bothered with the "legal marriage" are FAR happier than almost any married couple I've ever met. Why? Because their relationship is actually built on trust and knowing the other partner is there because they "Want" to be there not because they are legally bound to be there or they can get wrecked in court.

Don't get married kids..avoid it at all cost. But don't let that stop you from building a lifelong relationship, having kids etc. None of that requires marriage and you will likely be far happier because of it.
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Says the guy who is married ... and wishes he wasn't?

I mean If I understand your post correctly.

I got a question, after 16 years of being married, how has being married gotten in the way of your relationship?

And secondly, how can you be sure you could have kept that relationship together if you hadn't got married?

Come on, where's your litmus test for your claim? Is there a cloned you and a cloned her happily living in sin somewhere to back up your thesis?
 
Marriage is not just a legal term Dekoth-E. As with any term it means different things to different people and maybe it doesn't have any special meaning to you, but you aren't talking for me cause it means much more then that to me. Maybe you should stick to speaking for yourself and leave off advising others.

One size doesn't always fit all.
 
Happily married for 10 years...lots of sex and i still enjoy porn. Marriage isn't for everyone and if you don't feel it is for you then there is no reason to get married.
 
Just my unscientific observations among my peer group, but the correlation is overwhelming.

Marriage leads to breakup. People will live together harmoniously for years, as soon as they get married the clock is ticking.
 
lcpiper said:
Says the guy who is married ... and wishes he wasn't?

I mean If I understand your post correctly.

I got a question, after 16 years of being married, how has being married gotten in the way of your relationship?

And secondly, how can you be sure you could have kept that relationship together if you hadn't got married?

Come on, where's your litmus test for your claim? Is there a cloned you and a cloned her happily living in sin somewhere to back up your thesis?
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lcpiper said:
Marriage is not just a legal term Dekoth-E. As with any term it means different things to different people and maybe it doesn't have any special meaning to you, but you aren't talking for me cause it means much more then that to me. Maybe you should stick to speaking for yourself and leave off advising others.

One size doesn't always fit all.
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I shouldn't even respond to this as your "living in sin" comment tells me exactly how closed minded your pov is, but I'll attempt to make it easy for you to understand.

First marriage is a legal or religious term and nothing more. It does not have anything to with with the actual commitment or lack of in a relationship. A person is fully capable of being committed to a life long partnership with someone without the "blessing of the church or acknowledgement of government". If you aren't, then that is your problem. While I should leave it alone i'll go ahead and point out that "marriage" in the bible which is where you are obviously coming from was basically slave ownership. Perhaps you should study your own religion a bit before throwing out the "living in sin" card. Marriage in biblical terms was a man purchasing a woman from her parents and she was his property. It had little to do with an actual "commitment" on his part because she was his property. The whole living in sin bit is just another bit of made up bs the evangelical movement has pushed to guilt people into being obedient to them. I would link you some videos where people far more studied on this than either of us go into great depth, but given it was done by an athiest I doubt you would even watch it.

Now as for has being married gotten in the way of our relationship? No it hasn't but it is pretty obvious that we are an exception. However on that same coin it hasn't done anything for us either. It is a piece of paper with no meaning at all. My wife and I actually talked quite a bit about this. We essentially got married because at the time we did, that was the thing to do. Couples living together were frowned upon etc. What did it mean to us? well neither one of us could really say it meant anything after we realized our commitment to each other came long before we got married and really the getting married part was more to appease our parents than anything. This also isn't saying we are unhappy, we are obviously perfectly happy. We are simply intelligent enough to understand that our commitment to each other has absolutely nothing to do with the ceremony we performed 16 years ago.

As to the really quite offensive implication that our relationship couldn't of possibly lasted without that contract. That is really just flat out small minded thinking. As mentioned, some people are capable of being committed to another person without big brother or "God" looking over their shoulder waiting to punitively treat them like morons and punish them. That really is also the crux of our problem with this notion that marriage is somehow mandatory to having a relationship. Are you really so untrustworthy or is your partner so untrustworthy that you fear someone will up and leave without the "Fear" of punishment from either god or the government? Honestly that to me is about as pathetic as it gets if your entire relationship is only surviving because of fear.

As i said and as i will continue to say. Marriage is an outdated concept and it largely should just be avoided by most people. That isn't to say people shouldn't build a life together and absolutely be 100% committed to the person they love. It is just to say that at least until laws change for most people it is more of a liability than an asset. We are quickly moving to a point where worker benefits and rights as well as insurance include long term partners and common law spouses. As such there is less and less need to formally get married.
 
give it up, these people won't be happy till we are all living under their sharia law theocracy
 
Actually many men need to care about pussy more... not "getting" it but "serving" it... it's depressing to hear about a women who can't achieve multiple orgasms, let alone 1 with their man...
 
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