Nexus 6 speculation

Megalith said:
There's basically no loophole to retain unlimited data on Verizon now, right? I'm trying to figure out what I want to do. Verizon is only offering $180 for my Note 3, so fuck that. Seems like I should get at least $300 for it.
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There are still a few ways. You can upgrade another line and then just put your sim in the phone. Only issue is the other line now has to keep the data package for 2 years, before this past august you could drop the data plan, now you have to keep it. So if you have a dumb phone line this isn't a good idea anymore, but if you have another smart phone line with an upgrade then this way works fine.
 
munkle said:
There are still a few ways. You can upgrade another line and then just put your sim in the phone. Only issue is the other line now has to keep the data package for 2 years, before this past august you could drop the data plan, now you have to keep it. So if you have a dumb phone line this isn't a good idea anymore, but if you have another smart phone line with an upgrade then this way works fine.
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And you can always just buy a phone outright and keep your plan.
 
mls1995 said:
I agree with your Turbo advantages and I'll probably still get a Nexus anyway. Pure Android on Verizon, I feel like that's a dream that I need to support!

Hopefully we'll have some good pro reviews in the upcoming weeks to help me cement my decision.
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With their track record on the Galaxy Nexus I wouldn't get your hopes up too much about Verizon and pure google. Sure they weren't able to muck it up too much, but the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon still got screwed over when it came to updates.
 
Erasmus354 said:
With their track record on the Galaxy Nexus I wouldn't get your hopes up too much about Verizon and pure google. Sure they weren't able to muck it up too much, but the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon still got screwed over when it came to updates.
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Considering the radio works with basically every band in the US and the fact that there is only one US model, it doesn't seem like Verizon will be touching the phone. All updates will be done by Google.
 
Megalith said:
There's basically no loophole to retain unlimited data on Verizon now, right? I'm trying to figure out what I want to do. Verizon is only offering $180 for my Note 3, so fuck that. Seems like I should get at least $300 for it.
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Pretty sure you can still transfer upgrades from other lines. Just requires the other line to have a smartphone plan.
 
Snowknight26 said:
Considering the radio works with basically every band in the US and the fact that there is only one US model, it doesn't seem like Verizon will be touching the phone. All updates will be done by Google.
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Verizon doesn't let any phone on their network without going through their "validation" processes.
 
Snowknight26 said:
Considering the radio works with basically every band in the US and the fact that there is only one US model, it doesn't seem like Verizon will be touching the phone. All updates will be done by Google.
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This is what I'm hoping for. The Verizon Gnex was a special variant with a radio/modem just for Verizon and wasn't even GSM capable so you couldn't use it on any other carriers. So Verizon pretty much had complete control of the phone for firmware/baseband updates, which lets them control when updates are pushed to it.

I'm pretty sure the Verizon Nexus 7 (LTE) isn't hindered by Verizon since it's not used on their CDMA network and is the exact same hardware as every other LTE N7, so I would hope the N6 will be the same way.

Erasmus354 said:
Verizon doesn't let any phone on their network without going through their "validation" processes.
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There was the Nexus 7 LTE you could put on their network before it was "validated." It was stupid because you could swap a SIM into any LTE N7 and get it working on Verizon immediately, but you couldn't activate a new SIM in the tab. I'm hoping it will be the same with the N6 even though it's on their CDMA network too. I'm not sure how that piece will work. I guess we'll see.
 
T4rd said:
This is what I'm hoping for. The Verizon Gnex was a special variant with a radio/modem just for Verizon and wasn't even GSM capable so you couldn't use it on any other carriers. So Verizon pretty much had complete control of the phone for firmware/baseband updates, which lets them control when updates are pushed to it.

I'm pretty sure the Verizon Nexus 7 (LTE) isn't hindered by Verizon since it's not used on their CDMA network and is the exact same hardware as every other LTE N7, so I would hope the N6 will be the same way.



There was the Nexus 7 LTE you could put on their network before it was "validated." It was stupid because you could swap a SIM into any LTE N7 and get it working on Verizon immediately, but you couldn't activate a new SIM in the tab. I'm hoping it will be the same with the N6 even though it's on their CDMA network too. I'm not sure how that piece will work. I guess we'll see.
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Ignoring the fact that Verizon wouldn't activate Nexus 7 SIM's until the device was certified for their LTE network. This won't work for phones because you need the CDMA for phone calls still, and the CDMA portion needs to be activated by Verizon.
 
There are zero excuses at this price point. If it has poor camera, poor battery life and poor screen like previous Nexus phones, this is a fail.

Hell, the Note 4 has better specs in every area (besides screen size) and is smaller, lighter, thinner with a ton more hardware (s-pen, removable battery, sd card, digitizer, best screen on market in any phone, best camera ever) and is not even much more costly (699 on Verizon unlocked).

Google/Moto have no experience with phablets, they haven't shown they can make a decent camera or battery (known flaws in all Moto and Nexus phones), there are no phablet features.

I'm being a little skeptical here, but lets wait and see what the phone actually does in a hands on. So far all we have is a spec sheet.
 
I have a hard time believing the Note 4 has the "best camera ever" when the Note 3's is pure shit.
 
There's no best when it comes to phone cameras since they all have compromises but from what I've seen Note 4's low light capability, Note 3's only weakness, is noticeably improved and edges out others.
 
mls1995 said:
Was just going to post this. Yeah, Note 4 has the best camera on the market
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That's was on PhoneArena, where it's a known Samsung favoring site. The test you're even talking about didn't even include low-light shots or iPhone 6 Plus. CNet also did a test where they did test those. In their opinion, there is no clear winning. At some points, simply having more megapixels wins. Note 4 is still horrible at low-light shots, but not as horrible as Note 3. Color accuracy-wise, iPhone 6 Plus wins. So it really doesn't get less biased than that.

http://www.cnet.com/news/embargo-samsung-galaxy-note-4-camera-shootout-versus-iphone-6-plus-lg-g3/
 
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Erasmus354 said:
Water RESISTANT not Water PROOF

This *cannot* be submerged in water. I would assume this is similar to the Droid Turbo where the device has a special coating on it. The Turbo is explained as "can survive 20 minutes in the rain".
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Yes, sorry about that. So much easier to type proof over resistant!!! :)
 
Erasmus354 said:
Ignoring the fact that Verizon wouldn't activate Nexus 7 SIM's until the device was certified for their LTE network. This won't work for phones because you need the CDMA for phone calls still, and the CDMA portion needs to be activated by Verizon.
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No, if you read my post that you quoted, you'd see that I didn't ignore that at all, lol.. I actually pointed that out directly.

And I'm not sure that the CDMA portion does need to be activated since you can swap your SIM into any other Verizon phone and be good to go immediately. The question is; is that because those phones are already registered on Verizon's network (what I've always assumed), or is it just because that SIM is registered on Verizon and the phone is compatible with their CDMA and LTE network?

I don't think anyone truly knows this yet, so I'd be interested to see what happens if a Verizon user swaps their SIM into an unlocked Nexus 6. I'm assuming it wouldn't work, but I see it being possible.

mi7chy said:
We'll forgive your TTL moment. ;)
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Wow, what finally got him banned?
 
Oh my god, finally we can celebrate!

I'm guessing he got banned for reporting everyone who didn't agree with him.
 
Damnit..this needs to release sooner. My Note 2's ext SD card reader is dying.
 
Okay, so I don't fuck myself over, these are my options to keep unlimited, right.

1. Go to the Best Buy website or Amazon and select the upgrade option. Then put in my current SIM when I get the phone.

2. Go to a Verizon store and have someone else (with a limited data plan) on my account upgrade to the Nexus. Let Verizon do their usual (switch the SIM card to the new phone and hand back the old phone). Then switch the SIM card in the Nexus out with mine when I get home.
 
Megalith said:
Okay, so I don't fuck myself over, these are my options to keep unlimited, right.

1. Go to the Best Buy website or Amazon and select the upgrade option. Then put in my current SIM when I get the phone.

2. Go to a Verizon store and have someone else (with a limited data plan) on my account upgrade to the Nexus. Let Verizon do their usual (switch the SIM card to the new phone and hand back the old phone). Then switch the SIM card in the Nexus out with mine when I get home.
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This only works if the person on your account that does the upgrade already has a smartphone or you will have to eat the $30/month added data fee for the length of the contract.
 
They took too long to announce this (and IMO the price is too high for a "naked" phone without any of the Moto X's glorious features) so I have a Note 4 instead. The single model for every US carrier is great though.
 
ComputerBox34 said:
This only works if the person on your account that does the upgrade already has a smartphone or you will have to eat the $30/month added data fee for the length of the contract.
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The person I could do this with has a Galaxy S4 with a data plan. I hope that is enough.
 
Trombe said:
They took too long to announce this (and IMO the price is too high for a "naked" phone without any of the Moto X's glorious features) so I have a Note 4 instead. The single model for every US carrier is great though.
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If you look at lollipop features I think this phone will have some variation of active display which is the only moto feature I care about.
 
Trombe said:
They took too long to announce this (and IMO the price is too high for a "naked" phone without any of the Moto X's glorious features) so I have a Note 4 instead. The single model for every US carrier is great though.
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Yea well, good luck ever getting updates with Samsung.

You might see Android L in 6-18 months.
 
Skripka said:
Yea well, good luck ever getting updates with Samsung.

You might see Android L in 6-18 months.
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Updates doesn't come through Samsung. When TW Lollipop is ready later this year, the carriers will be responsible for rolling it out.
N4 TW already has a few Lollipop features.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Updates doesn't come through Samsung. When TW Lollipop is ready later this year, the carriers will be responsible for rolling it out.
N4 TW already has a few Lollipop features.
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When Touchwiz Lollipop is out later this year? What the hell are you smoking? 6 months minimum, meaning next year. Takes Samsung that long to rewrite their trash overlay completely for no reason
 
Skripka said:
When Touchwiz Lollipop is out later this year? What the hell are you smoking? 6 months minimum, meaning next year. Takes Samsung that long to rewrite their trash overlay completely for no reason
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You probably think Samsung got 5.0 yesterday.

But this is a Nexus thread. Continue.
 
Megalith said:
Okay, so I don't fuck myself over, these are my options to keep unlimited, right.

1. Go to the Best Buy website or Amazon and select the upgrade option. Then put in my current SIM when I get the phone.

2. Go to a Verizon store and have someone else (with a limited data plan) on my account upgrade to the Nexus. Let Verizon do their usual (switch the SIM card to the new phone and hand back the old phone). Then switch the SIM card in the Nexus out with mine when I get home.
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Amazon won't work because if you don't use the new phone on the line you used to upgrade (assuming you're trying to use another line so you don't lose unlimited data) for at least 6 months, you'll get hit with a large fee ($300+ I think) because that's the deal Verizon gives Amazon to allow them to sell phones at lower than normal prices (on contract).

Best Buy will work. See this thread for more details on how it works. No line upgrade transfers required.

You can do #2 too, but I wouldn't even bother the other person feigning an upgrade on their line and swapping it later just so they don't have to deal with stupid Verizon reps and wasting time. I transfer my upgrades on Verizon's site and order the new phone to be delivered, sometimes at cheaper prices than they have in-store too (online exclusive promotions are common for them). When the new phone arrives, just pop your existing SIM on unlimited data into the new phone and you're good to go. No messing with the other person or their phone necessary. This is what I've done for my past few phones since they dropped unlimited data.

Droid Life did a recent article on how to keep unlimited data as well. All of that is accurate still.
 
Skripka said:
When Touchwiz Lollipop is out later this year? What the hell are you smoking? 6 months minimum, meaning next year. Takes Samsung that long to rewrite their trash overlay completely for no reason
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Android L isn't even finished yet !! No oem has it. Stop with the Samsung bashing.
 
T4rd said:
Amazon won't work because if you don't use the new phone on the line you used to upgrade (assuming you're trying to use another line so you don't lose unlimited data) for at least 6 months, you'll get hit with a large fee ($300+ I think) because that's the deal Verizon gives Amazon to allow them to sell phones at lower than normal prices (on contract).

Best Buy will work. See this thread for more details on how it works. No line upgrade transfers required.

You can do #2 too, but I wouldn't even bother the other person feigning an upgrade on their line and swapping it later just so they don't have to deal with stupid Verizon reps and wasting time. I transfer my upgrades on Verizon's site and order the new phone to be delivered, sometimes at cheaper prices than they have in-store too (online exclusive promotions are common for them). When the new phone arrives, just pop your existing SIM on unlimited data into the new phone and you're good to go. No messing with the other person or their phone necessary. This is what I've done for my past few phones since they dropped unlimited data.

Droid Life did a recent article on how to keep unlimited data as well. All of that is accurate still.
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Great post, many thanks! I wonder what the subsidized price for this is going to be. $300?
 
MrCrispy said:
Android L isn't even finished yet !! No oem has it. Stop with the Samsung bashing.
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Dude, you're in a Nexus specific thread. The whole reason people buy Nexii is because they don't like being locked into piss poor UI implementations, nonremovable bloatware and Android updates that take 3-6 months.

You're going to have to expect some amount of Samsung bashing in a Nexus oriented thread.
 
Megalith said:
Great post, many thanks! I wonder what the subsidized price for this is going to be. $300?
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No prob man! Also, if your new phone uses a smaller SIM card than you currently have, you can get a cheap SIM cutter to cut it down for the new phone. I've cut my SIM to a micro SIM from my Gnex to my Note 2, then I cut it again from micro to nano SIM for my One M8. You'll might see some warnings some places to not do this (allegedly a nano SIM is thinner than any others), but I've never had an issue getting my SIM in and out of my M8, which I've had to do at least a few times. But if you're really not comfortable doing it, any Verizon store should swap it out for a smaller one if you want with no questions.

I'm guessing price should me $200-$250 for a phone that's $650-$700 full retail, just like most other flagships are in both respects. But it may vary from carrier to carrier too.
 
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Hmmm, really torn on this one. I was thinking the size was a complete deal buster, but after cutting out a piece of foamcore to check the size, it really not that untenable IMHO.

Looking at how I use my phone; 90% text, consumption, web browsing and <10% phone use. Maybe a big ass screen isnt so bad. Wireless charging, water resistance, good battery size, its got some positives going for it.

Now, I have never had an AMOLED screen, so might have to warm up to it, but after my initial disgust with a 6" screen, I am thinking its maybe better positioned than previously thought.

I dont know why the subsidized price would be more than 200. An iPhone 6 is $650 and is $200 on contract, which makes this the N6 a good bargain against the other phablet phones, LGG3 and Note4.
 
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