Are Video Games Sexist?

Looks like the usual idiots are at it.

Hint: most male gamers have endured abuse from other players and the community at some point, for all kinds of reasons. We don't whine too much about that because, in society, men aren't supposed to whine. Women are, and they do, so you assume they're the only ones suffering indignities or harassment or humiliation or death threats. However, most women don't complain about this shit much more than men do because most women don't give a shit about any of this political garbage. They just want to relax and play a fucking game. I suggest we all do the same.
 
they're against sexy female characters?

well hurry up and bust out the flat chested flat assed beanpole mods.
 
I like what she said but, her speech patterns are annoying. Go make me a sammich!
 
Not surprising (good video btw), even cod lobbies now have more female bo2 players talking on the mic then the usual 9 year old male whinging and calling other players hax.

I see lots of women playing on there smart phones on public transports in the morning on the way to work and after noon. Peak times.
 
Games are a lot less sexist than feminist make them out to be.

Saving the princess is NOT an example of a sexist plot line.

It is an easy plot line that even children can understand and is used a lot because there is a lack of creativity by the developers.
 
Taco said:
Well, feminists believe there aren't more female gamers because games aren't developed for them. While this video more or less states there aren't games developed for female gamers because they (by and large) aren't interested in playing video games and thus are not worth the investment.

I suspect this is where the concern-o-crats out there(loved that term) will argue her points. Comes down to "Do woman not game for the same reason most guys don't wear makeup and play with dolls?" or "Do they not game because there simply aren't any choices out there".

I side with the former, but all the feminists out there side with the latter and that will be where they critique this video.
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And perhaps they're not interested because the games that are made don't, as a rule, appeal to women.

Imagine a world where every movie was violent action film. The audience would be mostly men. Conclusion, women don't like movies, so there's no reason to make movies targeting them.

I'm not saying that's the case with games, but it's certainly possible. Of course it's also possible that much like football, most women have no interest in playing. Regardless, I never thought there was anything wrong with GTA. Sure killing hookers is wrong, but killing virtual hookers isn't real and there's certain amount of dark humor in doing the wrong thing.
 
A calm, rational discussion of facts with no hyperbole?


What is wrong with this picture? Where are the talking heads pontificating all manner of societal degradation? Where is the controversy?

Blood, violence and imagined injustice sell...positivity, acceptance and mindless fun do not.

The sheep need something (i.e.anything) to graze upon.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Great vid, gotta admit as soon as I heard "Feminist" the picture of the typical "man hating fem" instantly sprung to mind. Nice to see there are still "True" feminist out there who aren't psychopaths.
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Where do you live? Most 20 somethings I know are feminists, and they don't have a special look, nor do they typically hate men (quite the opposite).
 
Those are actual feminists. Sadly we're inundated with professional victims and attention seekers in the media, giving the entire cause a bad taste.
Luckily, most feminists are reasonable, But reasonable doesn't make headlines.
 
wabbitseason said:
How exactly could you have "the same well-reasoned arguments with the opposite viewpoint"? She based her argument on facts and rationality. Shockingly, these kinds of arguments resonate with rational people.

The opposite viewpoint argues from emotional hysteria and an exaggerated collective sense of victimhood/social-injustice/etc. You'll never see the straightforward, fact-based style seen in the video from these social regressives. They'll gleefully exaggerate or fabricate data in an attempt to mask the purely emotional and unsubstantiated nature of their "argument". Hipsters with degrees in cultural studies indeed.
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Dude, seriously?

You seriously go by the thinking that you can't take ANYTHING seriously from a [insert political affiliation] because you don't agree with [other stuff they said]\]. You don't care if you totally agree with what she just said, you just can't get over your own political prejudices to give someone credit where credit is due?

Damn man, that says more about you than it does about the lady in this video or the people that agree with her. :(
 
Stiletto said:
Looks like the usual idiots are at it.

Hint: most male gamers have endured abuse from other players and the community at some point, for all kinds of reasons. We don't whine too much about that because, in society, men aren't supposed to whine. Women are, and they do, so you assume they're the only ones suffering indignities or harassment or humiliation or death threats. However, most women don't complain about this shit much more than men do because most women don't give a shit about any of this political garbage. They just want to relax and play a fucking game. I suggest we all do the same.
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I think for the most part it's less about whining and more about being offended. You can call me a $%^%& stupid fu$^%@ mo%$^ $#%^@ sh^% face and I really wouldn't be offended, and I wouldn't be too worried about calling most men ^$%@& %&^#& @^@%^ because I know they wouldn't be offended. If I could think of something I could call a random man I've never met and they'd be offended then I probably wouldn't do it :D
 
This is the first time I've ever heard a feminist not sound like a raging mouth foaming bitch. Kinda hot too.
 
:rolleyes:

There are plenty of rational, non-"raging" feminists. If you only see "crazy" ones it's because you choose to view them that way.
 
PhaseNoise said:
Those are actual feminists. Sadly we're inundated with professional victims and attention seekers in the media, giving the entire cause a bad taste.
Luckily, most feminists are reasonable, But reasonable doesn't make headlines.
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Look at vegans and atheists. "How do you know when someone is a vegan or atheist?" "They tell you.". Same with some feminists. They make it known, and they make it known on how wrong you are and how you are a bad person....

I like the group that don't make it a big deal. It's their choice, and they don't push it on everyone else and don't make it a mission to tell people they are wrong.
 
yep.

also, when i make a character, she has to look good from behind.
 
evilsofa said:
Dude, seriously?

You seriously go by the thinking that you can't take ANYTHING seriously from a [insert political affiliation] because you don't agree with [other stuff they said]\]. You don't care if you totally agree with what she just said, you just can't get over your own political prejudices to give someone credit where credit is due?

Damn man, that says more about you than it does about the lady in this video or the people that agree with her. :(
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Neither argument has to with political affiliation. It has to do with victim fetishism vs. being a normal part of a culture. Maddox's video addressed the same issues with comic books. Recent articles show these sorts of idiocies being thrown around with regards to sci-fi writing communities and sci-fi conventions, with people being driven out or berated for having the "wrong" viewpoint. This SJW invasion of nerd domains is onerous and revolting, and people who are on both sides of the political spectrum are getting really fucking fed up with that shit.
 
Stiletto said:
Neither argument has to with political affiliation. It has to do with victim fetishism vs. being a normal part of a culture. Maddox's video addressed the same issues with comic books. Recent articles show these sorts of idiocies being thrown around with regards to sci-fi writing communities and sci-fi conventions, with people being driven out or berated for having the "wrong" viewpoint. This SJW invasion of nerd domains is onerous and revolting, and people who are on both sides of the political spectrum are getting really fucking fed up with that shit.
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Exactly. I am totally against people who "vote along party lines" without thinking anything through.

I think people who consider all issues separately, and make their own individual judgements about it, are the only ones worthy of respect.
 
Ok so obviously the solution is to start having male superheroes dressed like female superheroes
 
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mope54 said:
I suggest you look up the definition of "stereotype"

as for the rest, I didn't make any rant on society. It's disturbing that you can't understand when someone says, "here is an argument that some people make for you to consider"

It's really indicative that you're not capable of even listening to other positions and trying to understand what the argument is before opening your piehole and spewing whatever is bouncing around in your noggin.
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"a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing."

Feel free to explain how hot chicks in videogames area stereotype, and please, no convulted bullshit.
 
Video games are not sexist and objective enough! When it comes to showing off guys. I get it, most of the game devs are straight guys who spend months crafting the most jessica rabbit like models to exist in game. That's wow the original wow had the female forms look semi normal and the male faces looked like they were struck with a baseball bat.

But what about more male eye candy? Where is my candy store? Geralt?

/puke

I demand better.
 
GotNoRice said:
Good video but a little long-winded.
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Really? I thought it was a nice length to cover everything. Also, her speech patterns are quite nice and articulated.

SGA76 said:
Holy cow!
She made sense!
That is one of the most well thought out and plainly stated declarations of the state of gaming ever made by ANY side!
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Grimlaking said:
Great video. My only issue.. and I really don't want this to sound mean but it is what it is.

It sounds like it is simply pandering for views and likes.

Am I alone in thinking this?
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Pandering? I'd say there is more of a sense of urgency to drop the sensationalist crap.

mavrocket said:
People are funny...

Everything must be grouped/labeled/organized by political affiliation now?
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People feel superior pigeonholing other people. They can't just take what is said at face value.

mavrocket said:
kac77, what exactly are you arguing in support of?

You are tying yourself into a pretzel trying to always position yourself as the superior intellect, and it's getting annoying.
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dgz said:
lol, 7 pages. what is going on here?
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kac77 and mope54 felt threatened / needed to prove they were the smartest people in the thread, bringing much unneeded drama and derailing the thing.

Stiletto said:
Looks like the usual idiots are at it.

Hint: most male gamers have endured abuse from other players and the community at some point, for all kinds of reasons. We don't whine too much about that because, in society, men aren't supposed to whine. Women are, and they do, so you assume they're the only ones suffering indignities or harassment or humiliation or death threats. However, most women don't complain about this shit much more than men do because most women don't give a shit about any of this political garbage. They just want to relax and play a fucking game. I suggest we all do the same.
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I agree, it is something that should be discussed as this thread was originally going and as the linked video was. It was very rational and non-sensationalist.

Playing games is a very good way to relax and I know people in the previous generation who spend literally all their leisure time watching television. Television is nice, but it isn't an activity of interaction. If I didn't get into video games, I would never traveled down this weird and long road of nerd-dom that now I'm educated in a science. More girls and young women can do the same = make games in their image = everybody wins.

But hear, hear. Play and enjoy.
 
The movies made me do it...

No link, but the same can be said about movies.

In her last minute of propaganda you could easily replace women with men, aliens, monsters, dinosaurs, whatever those things in Halo are called, vampires, zombies - good god - just think of all that violence toward zombies!
 
talk2troy said:
The movies made me do it...

No link, but the same can be said about movies.

In her last minute of propaganda you could easily replace women with men, aliens, monsters, dinosaurs, whatever those things in Halo are called, vampires, zombies - good god - just think of all that violence toward zombies!
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The same thing has been said of movies and of TV. It's ridiculous to say they have no affect, because I can think of things I've done (as a kid) where TV shows/Movies affected me. I'm certain people went into the sciences, because of shows like Star Trek. Scientists have said it and other entertainment inspired them to go into that field. Unless you think those people are lying, then media affects people in both positive and negative ways.

Nevertheless, research shows that most kids (and virtually all adults) can tell the difference between cartoons, movies and video games and the real world. If playing GTA turns you into a prostitute killer, I think it's safe to say already had issues.
 
It has 100x more to do with parenting than the actual media though, that's where I think people like Anita miss the point.
 
What I've learned in this thread.

Take a word that has a limited scope and redefine it so I can demand a bunch of crap or power for myself.
 
Youn said:
Utah is messed up... eww
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I'm going to assume you're talking about their concealed carry laws, which Sarkeesian was worried about?

The thing is, there are only three states in the US that don't have nearly unrestricted conceal carry permits. Most states allow conceal carry anywhere, on school grounds, in parks and playgrounds, public events, privately owned but publicly accessible places like shopping centers/theaters.

So the police in Utah couldn't legally tell people that they couldn't bring a legally concealed weapon to Sarkeesian's speech.

I think she did the right thing in cancelling, but neither the law or the police are to blame. The person to blame would be sexist moron who made the threats. That person deserves to go to prison for a very long time, and the FBI is trying to find that person now, so the proper response is being made.

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The people who are threatening Sarkeesian and others are an overwhelming minority of people. I didn't like her videos much before. I didn't feel they were representative of gaming as a whole, but that they were accurate in both the description of the tropes and in giving specific examples of where they have shown up in games.

However, the more that misogynist gamers attack Sarkeesian the more I'm happy to abandon my critiques of her and rally beside her.
 
d_stilgar said:
So the police in Utah couldn't legally tell people that they couldn't bring a legally concealed weapon to Sarkeesian's speech.

I think she did the right thing in cancelling, but neither the law or the police are to blame.
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It's perfectly reasonable to expect the police to pat-down, use detectors, and/or check for permits at the event, especially when the threat is about a general school massacre.

That kind of screening would have not infringed on any legitimate firearm carrying.
 
Of course some games are, just like some books are, some movies are, some music is. Most though is not.
 
Youn said:
Well, that's just my opinion and sense of things, but a quick 2-second google search brings up many research articles. This one was near the top:

http://www.massgeneral.org/children/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=3929

I just ticks me off that some thing like 0.00001% of a community can do so much damage to the rest of it. What dicks. Holy shit, I'm such a grumpy panda now :(
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Any statisticians here?
I would love to see a proper representation of numbers.
 
Godmachine said:
Maddox sums this up REALLY well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpJGkG1g-Lk&list=UU_c1gdsojLxBGkgzS0NsvUw

Basically how I feel. Sexism exists in the industry? No doubt. However changing it will require encouraging female interest in gaming development more and more.
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While I do agree with Maddox in that video, I also think that there is a place to help developers know how they could make their games better. Not everyone is able to make video games. Telling them how to appeal to a larger audience, and doing it well, is also a valid way to do it.

Many game designers will have gone to school to do that. They may not have studied common tropes and cliches in storytelling. When it comes to sexist tropes, they may be completely unaware that they are falling for these cliches.

Olly Moss, famous artist tweeted this: https://twitter.com/ollymoss/status/513195907978756096

Being good at explaining and teaching is just as important as being able to design games. In any case, I'm not disagreeing with you. We need more women making games, especially if they think the industry is so imbalanced, but Maddox's point that it's the only good solution to sexism in games isn't correct.
 
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