GTX 880 and 800 Series to be More Powerful But Cheaper than the 700 Series

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That's cute, whycry can only afford a student subscription for his "inside" information.
 
The GM204 is expected to replace the whole GK104 stack. It is the first silicon based on second generation Maxwell architecture. This generation will later be updated with GK110 successor, the GM200.
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And they lost me in the very first line. Since when the hell did the 800 Series become Maxwell 2.0? Where the hell was the first. Then they go on to mention Maxwell 3.0. Man I'm so done lol no more rumors for me.


gg wp
 
Really looking forward to those new maxwells. My only concern is jumping to 16nm is a HUGE leap.....If Nvidia can do it my god AMD could be in trouble.

Curious if AMD has anything coming to counter this
 
DASHlT said:
Really looking forward to those new maxwells. My only concern is jumping to 16nm is a HUGE leap.....If Nvidia can do it my god AMD could be in trouble.

Curious if AMD has anything coming to counter this
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TSMC 16nm is just 20nm with FinFets... not a huge leap at all from 20nm SOC.
No real density benefits for 16nm FinFet, just power savings or speed.
If you can do 20nm, you can do 16nm with minimal tweaks if your design team prepped correctly.
 
LordEC911 said:
TSMC 16nm is just 20nm with FinFets... not a huge leap at all from 20nm SOC.
No real density benefits for 16nm FinFet, just power savings or speed.
If you can do 20nm, you can do 16nm with minimal tweaks if your design team prepped correctly.
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Hmmm well considering they cant even do 20nm I have my doubts then.
 
DASHlT said:
Hmmm well considering they cant even do 20nm I have my doubts then.
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20nm SOC isn't meant for high performance parts.
That's what happens when your process roadmap goes from multiple offerings to one.
 
AFD said:
Thanks! So, if I'm reading that correctly, then it's 860/870/880 due in July-Sept, then 880Ti due in Oct?
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how do you get that?

"NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 880 will launch is set for Q3. If everything goes according to plan, the new flagship should appear in October."

is the 880 not the flagship?
 
Odellus said:
how do you get that?

"NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 880 will launch is set for Q3. If everything goes according to plan, the new flagship should appear in October."

is the 880 not the flagship?
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4 new GPU cards = 860, 870, 880 and 880Ti; 880 to launch in Q3 = July-Sept; 880Ti would be the flagship of the 4 and would launch in Oct.

Dunno, that's just how I read it at first. Could also mean that 880 is a soft-launch in Q3, and would appear on shelves in October. Otherwise, wouldn't he have said they all launch in Q3.. not just the 880?
 
That's a pretty big line-up for cards that most people didn't even think existed.
Maybe *one* new 28nm flagship to hold us over until 20nm but an entire series? Maybe Nvidia has more faith in it than we do.

All I can think is, it's going to be a lot of sad people who buy one of those FOUR cards when the new ones launch 6 months later. Just like the old days.
I guess it makes more sense we won't be seeing anything new (20 nm / 16nm) until Q4 2015.
 
AFD said:
4 new GPU cards = 860, 870, 880 and 880Ti; 880 to launch in Q3 = July-Sept; 880Ti would be the flagship of the 4 and would launch in Oct.

Dunno, that's just how I read it at first. Could also mean that 880 is a soft-launch in Q3, and would appear on shelves in October. Otherwise, wouldn't he have said they all launch in Q3.. not just the 880?
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you're right, sorry. i hope the 880 launches some time in the next couple of months. i can't wait any longer to get off this 770.
 
AFD said:
Maybe he feels that Charlie's conjecture and analysis just isn't worth the $1,000/year?
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The question is if he has his own sources, he doesn't, why does he feel the need to pay $100 just to ripoff Charlie's info?
 
LordEC911 said:
The question is if he has his own sources, he doesn't, why does he feel the need to pay $100 just to ripoff Charlie's info?
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I don't think Charlie cares. All he cares about is the $100 he paid to get it.

I think anyone who pays for S/A website for the info could post it anywhere they can/want IMO.

At least Videocardz mentioned they got it from S/A.

P.S. I think its a fraud to charge people $100 for info for info on the Tech industry. I guess they need to make money anyway they can.
 
DASHlT said:
I don't think Charlie cares. All he cares about is the $100 he paid to get it.

I think anyone who pays for S/A website for the info could post it anywhere they can/want IMO.

At least Videocardz mentioned they got it from S/A.

P.S. I think its a fraud to charge people $100 for info for info on the Tech industry. I guess they need to make money anyway they can.
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Wait, so you think having a subscription means that people can steal and repost the information anywhere?
Inside/early information in any industry is a very hot commodity.
 
LordEC911 said:
Wait, so you think having a subscription means that people can steal and repost the information anywhere?
Inside/early information in any industry is a very hot commodity.
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I don't see why not. If you pay $100 for information you should be able to do whatever you want with it.

At lease they quoted they got it from Charlie, instead of saying they had inside info.
 
DASHlT said:
I don't see why not. If you pay $100 for information you should be able to do whatever you want with it.

At lease they quoted they got it from Charlie, instead of saying they had inside info.
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I'm not sure you understand how copyright and IP laws work...

S|A TOS said:
Content rights:

The rights to any content contained on SemiAccurate are limited to the individual subscriber and may not be reproduced. All content that appears in SemiAccurate remains the copyright of the author or contributor. There is no transfer of IP to the user or subscriber, period.
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LordEC911 said:
I'm not sure you understand how copyright and IP laws work...
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Probably not, but its not like Charlie is going to sue him now.

How can you sue for information that may or may not be correct? I mean isn't the website called Semi-accurate?
 
DASHlT said:
Probably not, but its not like Charlie is going to sue him now.

How can you sue for information that may or may not be correct? I mean isn't the website called Semi-accurate?
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Yeah that sort of shit would get thrown out of court really quick.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
That's a pretty big line-up for cards that most people didn't even think existed.
Maybe *one* new 28nm flagship to hold us over until 20nm but an entire series? Maybe Nvidia has more faith in it than we do.

All I can think is, it's going to be a lot of sad people who buy one of those FOUR cards when the new ones launch 6 months later. Just like the old days.
I guess it makes more sense we won't be seeing anything new (20 nm / 16nm) until Q4 2015.
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Well technically nvidia needs something to replace 660, 760, 770 and then fill into 400$ price bracket which they don't have right now (770 4GB is joke)
 
Blue_Scholar said:
Yeah that sort of shit would get thrown out of court really quick.
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The information being correct/incorrect isn't a concern.
The fact of the matter is they "stole" the article and are using it to make monetary gain.

Anyways...20nm cancellations make sense now.
 
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Michaelius said:
Well technically nvidia needs something to replace 660, 760, 770 and then fill into 400$ price bracket which they don't have right now (770 4GB is joke)
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Yeah, I'd like to see a "770 Ti" that sports higher clocks or maybe a further hampered 780 chip.
 
KazeoHin said:
Yeah, I'd like to see a "770 Ti" that sports higher clocks or maybe a further hampered 780 chip.
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I would rather just get the 870's :) the 700 line of cards is getting old. and I say this when my card is a 570, was going to grab a 770 back in Oct/Nov but held back last min, really had no need to upgrade just a very big upgrade itch lol
 
LordEC911 said:
The information being correct/incorrect isn't a concern.
The fact of the matter is they "stole" the article and are using it to make monetary gain.

Anyways...20nm cancellations make sense now.
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It's not like someone cant get the info themselves and just give them to videocardz.

If anything its a ripoff charging for information that may or may not be correct. That to me is a fraud.
 
AFD said:
4 new GPU cards = 860, 870, 880 and 880Ti; 880 to launch in Q3 = July-Sept; 880Ti would be the flagship of the 4 and would launch in Oct.

Dunno, that's just how I read it at first. Could also mean that 880 is a soft-launch in Q3, and would appear on shelves in October. Otherwise, wouldn't he have said they all launch in Q3.. not just the 880?
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A product launch doesn't mean it will be in the hands of resellers yet. It could very well be October before consumers are able to get their hands on "big" Maxwell.

I'm personally done waiting for Maxwell. In my opinion Maxwell is just a stopgap for NVIDIA to keep the cash flowing by satiating people's need for an upgrade fix. At this point my next upgrade will be Pascal, which should be the real game changer. I would be looking at upgrading my whole platform at that point, anyway.
 
Armenius said:
...snip...At this point my next upgrade will be Pascal, which should be the real game changer. I would be looking at upgrading my whole platform at that point, anyway.
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*Finishes reading about Pascal...*

Holy SHIT.

I think "game changer" is not descriptive enough, but can't think of anything better at the moment. I wonder what hardware of this magnitude is going to do for the "next gen" games...what will that kind of power be able to do I wonder.
 
Wait more powerful but cheaper...I've officially entered the twilight zone dododododododododo
 
STrooperTK421 said:
*Finishes reading about Pascal...*

Holy SHIT.

I think "game changer" is not descriptive enough, but can't think of anything better at the moment. I wonder what hardware of this magnitude is going to do for the "next gen" games...what will that kind of power be able to do I wonder.
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nothing because if the last generation of consoles is anything to go by, the ps4 and xbone will have just hit their stride.
 
Liger88 said:
And they lost me in the very first line. Since when the hell did the 800 Series become Maxwell 2.0? Where the hell was the first
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First-gen Maxwell would be GM107, the core used on the GTX 750 and GTX 750 Ti.
 
Odellus said:
nothing because if the last generation of consoles is anything to go by, the ps4 and xbone will have just hit their stride.
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This is a very bad time for these low quality Next Gen consoles to come out with such lackluster hardware. Didn't think 4K was going to matter did they?I will say it again. This WILL BE the shortest timespan between console releases. 4K 50" TV by Seiki for under $1000 already, gotta be able to support 4K and no patch for either console can do it.

With the market on 4K tv adaptation taking off faster than 1080p, that stride is right now. Both consoles really are underpowered compared to releases of past, where they would be 1 generation ahead on gpu or at least match PC they are 2 years behind as of this generation. I mean really, playing my Xbox one and switching to the 360 its kind of telling on its own. Plus with games like Titanfall not even being able to reach 1080p and settling already this early in the game at 792 lines of resolution, their stride is now. So with a patch Titanfall can hit 900p.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/...e-xbox-one-titanfalls-792p-resolution-likely/

They either have short run on these crap next gen consoles or the PC starts to dominate again and holds the market for the next 5 years at least. Which will start the graphics war again. Hell these weak ass consoles might have just done us a favor. :p Oh and throw in no HDMI 2.0 support either So using the Xbox 1 as my media hub will no longer be possible because my TV is HDMI 2.0@60hz and AV Receiver is HDMI 2.0 receiving and sending signal at 4K@60hz, my xbox 1 is only 1.4 so it can only handle....oh wait it doesn't support 4K so its no longer my media hub.....even at HDMI 1.4 4K@30hz it couldn't handle. Wait, this is the future????
 
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Oh and if they can't run 1080p in regular games, how the hell were they going to run 3D support in a future patch with this weak ass graphics system??? Another lie. Oh and those of us that played some 3d games in the last gen really did enjoy it and was looking forward to it in these "much more powerfull" systems. LOL What a joke.
 
I have to agree about the new consoles. I've never been more disappointed with the the difference between one generation and the next. Especially considering how long we were stuck with the 360/PS3.
 
SnowBeast said:
This is a very bad time for these low quality Next Gen consoles to come out with such lackluster hardware. Didn't think 4K was going to matter did they?I will say it again. This WILL BE the shortest timespan between console releases. 4K 50" TV by Seiki for under $1000 already, gotta be able to support 4K and no patch for either console can do it.

With the market on 4K tv adaptation taking off faster than 1080p, that stride is right now. Both consoles really are underpowered compared to releases of past, where they would be 1 generation ahead on gpu or at least match PC they are 2 years behind as of this generation. I mean really, playing my Xbox one and switching to the 360 its kind of telling on its own. Plus with games like Titanfall not even being able to reach 1080p and settling already this early in the game at 792 lines of resolution, their stride is now. So with a patch Titanfall can hit 900p.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/...e-xbox-one-titanfalls-792p-resolution-likely/

They either have short run on these crap next gen consoles or the PC starts to dominate again and holds the market for the next 5 years at least. Which will start the graphics war again. Hell these weak ass consoles might have just done us a favor. :p Oh and throw in no HDMI 2.0 support either So using the Xbox 1 as my media hub will no longer be possible because my TV is HDMI 2.0@60hz and AV Receiver is HDMI 2.0 receiving and sending signal at 4K@60hz, my xbox 1 is only 1.4 so it can only handle....oh wait it doesn't support 4K so its no longer my media hub.....even at HDMI 1.4 4K@30hz it couldn't handle. Wait, this is the future????
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Heehee...this entertains the shit out of me. What this is going to do is destroy the confidence that a lot of people have in these kiddie toys. When Sony and M$ have to quickly release new consoles with better hardware in them to keep up with the changing market and standards, all those people who dropped money on this current crop of underpowered shit are going to be PISSED. And knowing how corporations think, they will make sure that whatever software has already been released will be "updated" and released again, forcing those poor suckers to buy the games they already have again to go with the new consoles because the older titles will mysteriously be "not compatible" with the new versions of the systems.

Meanwhile, in the PC world, swap a part or two and you are ready to rock and roll.
 
Estimated lifespan of the PS4 and XBO is 4-5 years, until next-gen.
Either Sony/MS said it was going to be cut short.
 
I think the PS4/XB1 are pretty well designed to live in the same market with their successors. If they stick with the same architecture developers should be just be able to have a "low" and "high" setting for the different consoles without the painful porting. This would minimize the negative impact of the shorter lifespan.
 
They could also just release "4k ready" versions of the XB1 / PS4 with largely-identical hardware. Similar to how the Xbox 360 was upgraded with an HDMI output in a later revision without actually making the console any faster.

Toss in a new clock generator and upscaler for HDMI 2.0 (4k @ 60Hz) and they're good to go, as far as most consumers are concerned
 
brentsg said:
Sure just drop in a couple new GPU's that cost more than the consoles themselves and you're in business at 4k.
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Hey, I said nothing about price. I was only addressing the "ease" at which this could be done without really any worry about what software you have because it will all still work.
 
xp3nd4bl3 said:
I think the PS4/XB1 are pretty well designed to live in the same market with their successors. If they stick with the same architecture developers should be just be able to have a "low" and "high" setting for the different consoles without the painful porting. This would minimize the negative impact of the shorter lifespan.
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Both sides positioned themselves sanely for the first time in over a decade. Using the x86 platform should make moving from generation to generation a lot easier, if everything is done right. With the exception of Microsoft's stupid eDRAM crap, moving to smaller nodes and more powerful hardware in 5 years shouldn't completely wreck compatibility since they are basically low-end computers.

Really is a damn shame they can't even manage 30FPS @ 1080p for all games without heavily jerry-rigging things. Time will tell, but if both Microsoft and Sony had compatibility in mind with x86 then moving to new hardware shouldn't be a problem. The hardware will no longer be the service, the software will be.
 
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