Will new Haswell-E CPUs be worth a upgrade over a 5Ghz 2600k?

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Guys I've been gaming on a 2600k @ 5Ghz and the more I'm seeing information slowly released I'm thinking I still may not see any difference in gaming for even longer. The only thing I've upgraded is video cards, 3 6970s to 3 7970s to 3 Evga SC 780s. Looks like I'll do a big moniter upgrade instead and see how it a pans out. I mean there isn't a game out there or the near future that looks like a system killer. I'm hoping the Benchmarks will be so dramatically different it will finally get me to upgrade.
 
I'd keep 2600k without a second thought. The only reason why I got 4770k is because of the price (<$200 new).
 
Enilder said:
I'd keep 2600k without a second thought. The only reason why I got 4770k is because of the price (<$200 new).
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Agreed. The difference in performance per clock from Sandy to Haswell is abysmal to say the least and your CPU probably can match a Haswell equivalent part already because of those clocks.

You'll probably see a good sized gain on games that can make use of 6-8 cores, but those aren't as numerous to justify the price, especially if you're going for the $1,000 8-core Haswell-E part.

If you're trying to stay in your priceline, then the next CPU upgrade will probably be Skylake. Broadwell will be a dud like the past 2 generations have been.
 
Liger88 said:
Agreed. The difference in performance per clock from Sandy to Haswell is abysmal to say the least and your CPU probably can match a Haswell equivalent part already because of those clocks.

You'll probably see a good sized gain on games that can make use of 6-8 cores, but those aren't as numerous to justify the price, especially if you're going for the $1,000 8-core Haswell-E part.

If you're trying to stay in your priceline, then the next CPU upgrade will probably be Skylake. Broadwell will be a dud like the past 2 generations have been.
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I've just been looking for a reason to upgrade but Skylake will probably make more sense, my idea is to upgrade my moniter ( LG 29 in Ultrawide to a 34in Ultrawide ) and most likely NVidias high end Maxwell. All this will go out the window if my CPU dies but I don't run it 24/7 so u think I'll be good. I'll just keep saving towards the upgrade, Dis Skylake get pushed back into late 2015?
 
Marcdaddy said:
I've just been looking for a reason to upgrade but Skylake will probably make more sense, my idea is to upgrade my moniter ( LG 29 in Ultrawide to a 34in Ultrawide ) and most likely NVidias high end Maxwell. All this will go out the window if my CPU dies but I don't run it 24/7 so u think I'll be good. I'll just keep saving towards the upgrade, Dis Skylake get pushed back into late 2015?
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2600k at 5ghz is an absolute beast still, don't even bother blowing money on a CPU right now, just keep on trucking and be proud of your futureproofness. :cool:
 
For gaming, probably not... I mean eventually we will get to a point where 8 cores will be beneficial in tasks other than rendering / encoding videos, but there will be better CPUs out by that time.

I'd wait for Skylake personally.
 
Isn't he getting a bottleneck running 3x 780s on PCIe 2.0? Even if his mobo can run 8x 8x 8x, I think he will still get some performance degradation with his triple GPU configuration. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Nvidia_ATI said:
Isn't he getting a bottleneck running 3x 780s on PCIe 2.0? Even if his mobo can run 8x 8x 8x, I think he will still get some performance degradation with his triple GPU configuration. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Maybe, but then again after 2 x SLI the drop off on the 3rd or even 4th GPU is very significant. Very few games still scale well past 2 GPU's and just because the nature in how it works I doubt it'll ever come close to true 100% utilization.

That being said GPU's really aren't as bound to the PCIe bus as we used to think. Going below 8x it will probably be far more noticeable, but again when factoring a triple SLI and the performance being lost through lack of full utilization it's hard to tell for sure whether it'll be significant.

One of the only reasons I decided to go Enthusiast was for those 40 lanes. They could really do with upping it to 48 and 32 for the high-end consumer parts if you ask me. Wouldn't have to play this lane game.
 
I used to worry about the PCI express 2.0 thing giving me less performance but when sites doing reviews with newer hardware show FPS I'm always faster at 5 Ghz, I'm not sure how much I could gain going to 3.0 but if I upgrade and I'm stuck at 4.2 or 4.4 Ghz what will I be gaining if any?
 
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Looking a this - minimally.
 
Round here sandy bridge's never went down in price, they were mroe expensive than ivy bridge chips which I assume was due to higher demand as sandy bridge had a great rep for overclocking, now sandy bridge cannot be brought easily due to lack of supply, I went for haswell due to it been newer tech and that I know I probably wont be overclocking it much anyway. But I am upgrading from an i5 750 not sandy bridge.
 
It is almost a given these days, that the whole -E is pointless for gaming.

I love it, but mostly due to the e-peen, and multitasking side of things (video, VMs, etc.).

But gaming? Yeah, I'd also agree -E is minimal ROI.
 
Go for it! :D

SB is getting a little long in the tooth, beside its always fun to play with new gear.
 
Well im on Vacation this week and im thinking of picking up a new Mobo and a 4930K CPU and then I can run some tests with 3 cards at 2.0 vs 3.0. I only have my 29in LG ultrawide to benchmark at 2560X1080P or lower resolutions thou, im wating for that new ASUS 2560X1440 with GSync.
 
would be interested in your results,

also maybe you can turn up the custom res to 4k (using your non 4k monitor) and do some tests, i believe high res and multi card config is whats gonna be affected
 
Nvidia_ATI said:
Isn't he getting a bottleneck running 3x 780s on PCIe 2.0? Even if his mobo can run 8x 8x 8x, I think he will still get some performance degradation with his triple GPU configuration. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Although pci-e 2.0 is not much of a bottleneck in single and most dual gpu configurations, there are benefits for 3 way and 4 way configs. I know Vega had some hard numbers he posted back with his 680's http://www.overclock.net/t/1220962/vegas-heavyweight-display-and-computer-edition-2012/370#post_16915399. I have done testing with 3 way titan's on a Sandy Bridge-E build, and saw similar results. What you run into is a lack of bandwidth for the overhead caused by the synchronization of gpu's and transfer of frame buffer.

TL : DR the more gpu's you have, the more bandwidth each card will need. If you want the most out of your gpu's, yes, upgrading to a socket 2011/2013 platform would help with that. Is the difference worth the price is the question you have to ask.
 
It's going to depend on what kind of an IPC increase HWL-E offers over the 2600K...and if you see real value in the price for the increase, plus you use programs/play games that can take advantage of >4 physical cores.

Let's assume that the IPC increase of a 5930K (?) over your 2600K will be 20%.
Now assume that the 5930K will have stock base clock of 3.6 GHz.
* That's equivalent to your 2600K running at 4.3 GHz.
* Your 5.0 GHz 2600K would be equivalent to a 5930K running at 4.2 GHz.

Finally, make the assumption that the 5930K will set you back $590+.
Does the price of the CPU + MoBo + DDR4 + whatever else you need/want equate to a great value for the extra cores and assumed performance gain in your eyes?
Only you can answer that question.
 
DejaWiz said:
It's going to depend on what kind of an IPC increase HWL-E offers over the 2600K...and if you see real value in the price for the increase, plus you use programs/play games that can take advantage of >4 physical cores.

Let's assume that the IPC increase of a 5930K (?) over your 2600K will be 20%.
Now assume that the 5930K will have stock base clock of 3.6 GHz.
* That's equivalent to your 2600K running at 4.3 GHz.
* Your 5.0 GHz 2600K would be equivalent to a 5930K running at 4.2 GHz.

Finally, make the assumption that the 5930K will set you back $590+.
Does the price of the CPU + MoBo + DDR4 + whatever else you need/want equate to a great value for the extra cores and assumed performance gain in your eyes?
Only you can answer that question.
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All true words. ROI is RETURN over investment. Return including TIME. Say you bought an i7 970 back in 2010 and still use it today, and it works for 90% of what you still use it for. That platform lasted you 4 years! Say you upgraded to a 2600K, and then a 3770K, and then a 4770K over those 4 years seeing only minimal performance improvement in each year. ROI would mostly be in the toilet.

For me, Haswell-E is hopefully the next true x58 platform replacement, one that'll last me 4-5 years. But it all depends upon what you use it for. If you buy a Porche to run the kids around for soccer practice versus a minivan, well...thats up to you.
 
The reason to look to Haswell-E is the 8 core 3 ghz CPU. Unless you stream to twitch or do video capture of your game this is unlikely to help you unless games start being 8 threaded like Battlefield 4.
 
I've also been fighting this idea. I have a 2700k @ 4.8ghz and it's plenty fast enough however, running crossfire with BF4 on R9 290x's, I'm getting less performance than some other guys running the same.

Is some more fps playing BF4 at the highest resolution worth a 600 dollar minimum investment? I don't think so.

I'm going to wait. I spent money at upgrading my video cards to R9's and I'm happy with the performance at the moment. It may not be the best possible but it's good for what I want to do.

I'll probably upgrade in another year or so but I'm going to be keeping an eye on the benchmarks.
 
just noticed you guys talking about haswell-e

didnt notice :)

so I am in process to uprading to a chipset thats about to be relegated oh well. hopefully its not a major shift in performance as the generation after my i5 750 had.
 
I'm still waiting (now quite impatiently) to upgrade from my x58 i7 930. It's serving me quite well, but I'm thinking it may not be quite enough for me very soon, especially since I'm planning to get the new ASUS ROG Swift 1440p 120Hz monitor. 120fps might be too much for my cpu to handle in AAA games. Not to mention native SATA 3, PCI-e 3, and USB 3!

Any good guesses as to when we will see Haswell-E?
 
Tych-0 said:
I'm still waiting (now quite impatiently) to upgrade from my x58 i7 930. It's serving me quite well, but I'm thinking it may not be quite enough for me very soon, especially since I'm planning to get the new ASUS ROG Swift 1440p 120Hz monitor. 120fps might be too much for my cpu to handle in AAA games. Not to mention native SATA 3, PCI-e 3, and USB 3!

Any good guesses as to when we will see Haswell-E?
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June from the looks of it...a lot sooner than I thought. How much DDR4 is I don't know...but I'm sure there will be a price premium. :D
 
Wow, good news! Thanks for sharing it.

Yeah, I'm expecting this upgrade to hit the wallet pretty hard, the DDR4 factor scares me a bit, it could be a hefty premium indeed, and you gotta think most people doing X99 builds are going for 16GB+.

Back on topic, it could be tough to justify from such a high clocking 2600k! I'm done with reason though, X99 will be mine, and my x58 is going to parted out or to the living room!
 
Tych-0 said:
Any good guesses as to when we will see Haswell-E?
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According to this article from KitGuru looks like the release date has been moved up to sometime in June.

Edit: Oops should of refreshed the page before posting. Looks like someone already answered the question.
 
So by the Looks of it with Haswell-E you still will only get 40 PCI lanes so tha means 3 video cards running in tri-SLI will be 16X8X8. Hmm Maybe I will go ahead and just get that 4930K.
 
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