Buyer trying to extort me a YEAR after a sale

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ssjsongoku03 said:
I didnt work to my expectations, thats the point, not discover the discrepency, the bios could have been tampered with for all i know. Showing 6970 shaders with 6950 specs for a year could in some eyes be seen as faulty.
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You admitted this
Your all missing one big point here, during the year gpu-z showed a shader count of 1536 but a texture and pixel fill rate that of a 6950.
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You were satisifed
now a year later i dont even have the shader count of 1536, i have 1408
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Now you are expressing disappointment for something you may have caused on your end.

Go pound sand. Everyone is clearly on the OP's side here that you do not deserve the $60 or even original price of $120.
 
A15G said:
It took a whole year for you to process this? Pound sand.



Who else in here that has posted agree's with you that it's okay to ask for a refund? :confused:
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again it didnt take me a year, it took a year for th problem to present itself, see that might happen sometimes when you get screwed.
 
Kaitian said:
You admitted this
You were satisifed
Now you are expressing disappointment for something you may have caused on your end.

Go pound sand. Everyone is clearly on the OP's side here that you do not deserve the $60 or even original price of $120.
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good try putting words in my mouth guy, is this how hf deals with disputes?
 
ssjsongoku03 said:
Also i think everyones missing a big point here, prior to the sale I think this guy knew he sold me a card that wouldnt work like we agreed it should have.
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Running a card binned to lower amount of shaders can eventually wear it out. Ever had to go back and up the voltage on an overclock a year or two after you finalize it? The burden is on you to quality assure it and accept it within a timely manner. One year after purchase is not an acceptable amount of time to realize you've been had and demand a refund. If you suspected a problem and would not have been happy you should have requested a refund within at maximum one month after purchase. Even this is stretching it.

Even if the seller knowingly sold you a bum part the fact that you waited this long immediately discredits you and not him. If there was a problem you should have immediately brought it up 11 months ago. At this point if you leave him heatware I would not sell to you. Leaving him heatware will only make you look worse. There's not a soul on hardforum who would sell to you. Also at this point you have no remedy through paypal or your credit card. You shouldn't have waited this long. Again I cannot stress this enough, if you leave him negative feedback, he will respond with his side, and no one will ever sell to you again.
 
osrk said:
Running a card binned to lower amount of shaders can eventually wear it out. Ever had to go back and up the voltage on an overclock a year or two after you finalize it? The burden is on you to quality assure it and accept it within a timely manner. One year after purchase is not an acceptable amount of time to realize you've been had and demand a refund. If you suspected a problem and would not have been happy you should have requested a refund within at maximum one month after purchase. Even this is stretching it.

Even if the seller knowingly sold you a bum part the fact that you waited this long immediately discredits you and not him. If there was a problem you should have immediately brought it up 11 months ago. At this point if you leave him heatware I would not sell to you. Leaving him heatware will only make you look worse. There's not a soul on hardforum who would sell to you. Also at this point you have no remedy through paypal or your credit card. You shouldn't have waited this long. Again I cannot stress this enough, if you leave him negative feedback, he will respond with his side, and no one will ever sell to you again.
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Its improbable and unlikely to spot a problem like this if your not actively looking for it.
 
ssjsongoku03 said:
Its improbable and unlikely to spot a problem like this if your not actively looking for it.
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You wanted an overclocked card. That's the first thing you should have looked at. Fact is everyone knew that the reference cards of the 6950 were overclockable to the 6970 in order to increase the shader count. So since you SUPPOSEDLY missed this detail in the first place as you claim, you should have brought this up 11 months ago, not now.

Considering your posting history, we can conclude you are a Bitcoin miner and got more than enough money from that venture. Now you're threatening someone to get $60 or $120 back. Go pound sand.
 
Seller was nice enough to refund me a faulty graphics card one year after purchase. - Said no trader ever.
 
There is no dispute. You still have a working card. A year later and you contact him bitching about how your going to give him bad heatware and raise hell on this forum. I'm glad I didn't sell anything to you.
 
Azzkiker (ssjsongoku03), as a fellow Arsian and having already looked at your beer (had to make sure you weren't a random troll/scammer since you have next to no heatware anyway) - which is fairly stellar from over the years, let's take a step back for the moment here.

#1 - You purchased this card nearly A YEAR AGO.

#2 - Your own admission seems to indicate you received exactly what you purchased.

I tried gpu-z myself about a month after i bought it, i saw the shader count said 1536, but all the other specs( texture fill, pixel fill, etc were all basic 6950 not 6970 unlocked, i thought nothing of it at the time, thinking i still had an unlocked card).
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#3 - You run into issues eventually down the road with the card, which still apparently works AS THE MANUFACTURER INTENDED (correct?). But you admit that you have also attempted to modify the card as well, which may or may not have caused further issues?

I atiwinflash my card usign 3 seperate 6970 bios's, they're all successful flashes but still the shaders and gpu z show a 6950 spec'd card.
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#4 - You now feel slighted because you were sold a card on the pretext that it was potentially unlocked, you received AND VERIFIED that it was unlocked and in your own words were essentially satisfied with it, and now 11 months later you decide you are now unsatisfied with it after suddenly having issues?

There is a very long, very unaccounted for time period for what may or may not have happened to this card at this point. You yourself said you received it, verified it, and it appeared to meet your satisfaction.

There is absolutely no justification, especially after your own post, for the seller to consider any sort of remediation in this case, and no justification for you to hold him accountable for any issues you are having with the card at this point either.
 
this is possibly the best thread all year so far!
 
Buyer needs to kick rocks. Adding him to my do not deal with list for sure.
 
Sounds like you should have just spent about $20 more at the time and got a real 6970.
It's not fun to feel like you got the raw end of a deal, but a year later??? C'mon man, that is ridiculous
If you aren't happy with it now and it still works as a normal unlocked 6950, go somewhere else and sell it.
You'll probably even get more money out of it then you paid.
 
SunnyD said:
Azzkiker (ssjsongoku03), as a fellow Arsian and having already looked at your beer (had to make sure you weren't a random troll/scammer since you have next to no heatware anyway) - which is fairly stellar from over the years, let's take a step back for the moment here.

#1 - You purchased this card nearly A YEAR AGO.

#2 - Your own admission seems to indicate you received exactly what you purchased.



#3 - You run into issues eventually down the road with the card, which still apparently works AS THE MANUFACTURER INTENDED (correct?). But you admit that you have also attempted to modify the card as well, which may or may not have caused further issues?



#4 - You now feel slighted because you were sold a card on the pretext that it was potentially unlocked, you received AND VERIFIED that it was unlocked and in your own words were essentially satisfied with it, and now 11 months later you decide you are now unsatisfied with it after suddenly having issues?

There is a very long, very unaccounted for time period for what may or may not have happened to this card at this point. You yourself said you received it, verified it, and it appeared to meet your satisfaction.

There is absolutely no justification, especially after your own post, for the seller to consider any sort of remediation in this case, and no justification for you to hold him accountable for any issues you are having with the card at this point either.
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I recieved the card thinking it was unlocked. that just wasnt the case.
 
ssjsongoku03 said:
I recieved the card thinking it was unlocked. that just wasnt the case.
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I tried gpu-z myself about a month after i bought it, i saw the shader count said 1536, but all the other specs( texture fill, pixel fill, etc were all basic 6950 not 6970 unlocked, i thought nothing of it at the time, thinking i still had an unlocked card).
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Why didn't you contact the seller after you tried that? ^

It took you 11 months to decide if you should or shouldn't?

I am currently looking for the closest sand boxes near your location.
 
ssjsongoku03 said:
I recieved the card thinking it was unlocked. that just wasnt the case.
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The problem with that is by your own admission you verified it, and accepted it. Even if we take your slight uncertainty about what you verified (you mentioned that the TMU's appeared locked), you should have double checked it right away and brought it up immediately to the seller.

You simply can't wait 11 months when it comes to buying a used item off a forum from an individual to complain about it. There's a whole other side of buying "unlocked" items that I won't even go into, but honestly, you're expecting far too much out of this.

Compounding the issue is that you've had the card for 11 months. That's 11 months of "what have you done with it in the meantime?" We know you've tried to reflash it at least 3 times. My personal guess is that your urgency in the matter is that it's got issues beyond what you're telling now - especially since it's a 6950 and it was likely used over the last 11 months or a portion thereof for mining.

I've been trading on the forums for over 15 years. Would I even consider giving you your money back at this point? Not a chance. Maybe 11 days after I sold it to you, but definitely not 11 months.
 
I usually never comment on these types of posts but the stupidity (Or closed-minded) buyer here made me do it.

If you were AIMING for a 6950 to be unlocked to a 6970, why didn't you test it THE FIRST DAY you received it? If I was looking for something unlocked, I would damn sure make sure it's unlocked the first day, I wouldn't wait a day, nor a week, right on the spot as soon as I install It I want to make sure I bought what was advertised.

Yet it took you over a year to find that out? Did the mining keep you busy that long?
 
You should have tested the card within the first two weeks of getting the card period. You waited too long. You wont get anything back now.
 
ssjsongoku03 said:
...the bios could have been tampered with for all i know.
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At this point, it's highly more plausible that you've tampered with the bios in this rather than the seller.

Your logic doesn't make sense. What would the seller's shader "time-release" possibly be hinging on? Have you found anyone else who's been swindled by the ol' one-two-shader-switcheroo?

ssjsongoku03 said:
I recieved the card thinking it was unlocked. that just wasnt the case.
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Prove it wasn't unlocked. Prove that you didn't tamper/mod/damage the shaders off into the Shadow Realm. The burden of proof lieth squarely on your shoulders here, friend.
 
It's over a year...let it go for goodness' sake. You've used this card in pretty much a "flashed state" - OCing, in a way, for far too long, it finally degrades and can't give that anymore. You should understand that things like that, whether OCing a CPU, GPU, Memory, or any components, overtime, it will do that. Now, just accept the fact that your video card finally says, "Okay, I've gave it to you for one year, now, I'm burned out, I can't continue anymore."
 
Wow this buyer... unreal... Adding ssjsongoku03 to my DNT list. Nothing you have said is reasonable or expected of a seller here. Video cards burn out, it happens. It is in no way the sellers problem this long after the deal happened.
 
OP, please send me the shader hack so I can falsely advertise cards would you please?

I vote for classified ban just for the shear stupidity of this guy believing that the OP out a time release shader hack on the card.

Shit happens man. A number of things couldve happened whether it be coincidence or that you fucked with the card after the fact.
 
Is the man. warranty expired ? If you can rma that card and your doing this instead you really need to go pound sand.
 
This buyer is a tard and should POUND SAND! I recently had a buyer on eBay try to screw me out of about $1500, but I got him in the end! After 59 days having having two monitors that he picked up in person and TESTED! Say that they were broken in shipment! He has been a jerk, threatened everything etc. well his positive feedback on eBay saved my arse with the credit card company. Along with the fact that I use a method of marking the internal parts of the monitors I sell that will show they came from me along with video of every one I sell. Over the years I have had five or six of these jerks that do this type of stuff, they should die a horrid death! This guy lives four hours from me, but I told him I would give him the LED monitors over the LCD ones that he bought if he would drive over to pick up well, he did, I video taped everything and then the local PD did a nice thing called arrest on suspicion of fraud! I usually prefer local sales even though I get a lower sale price but this is the kind of thing you have to deal with.
 
OP, if this buyer ever leaves you a negative Heat eval, just respond to that eval with a link to this thread. That will take care of his negative eval.
 
Shit man is this guy for real, trolling or just plain clueless.

I feel for OP having to deal with childish bullshit like this.

Just one of those not sure if serious moments.

@buyer: If you had a suspicion that the card was not unlocked properly you should've just simply PM'd the seller....so it took you 1 year to process your final decision that the card was no unlocked properly?

Go pound sand dude you have a working card just don't be greedy and take your hand out of the cookie jar.
 
I couldn't read everything that happened last night, but I am definitely going to chime in now.

Buyer, you DO understand that when you unlock a card, 90% of the time only the shaders are unlocked on ATI/AMD cards, correct? And not only that, but when you run a card, unlocked, for x amount of time, the parts do degrade and you can eventually be back to standard shaders, correct?

You bought this card a year ago, it had the correct unlocked shaders for close to a year, which is a good amount of time really for a used product. Anything unlocked is considered YMMV.

The point of this whole thread is that you seem to be looking for a refund and are willing to sabotage a sellers rep and smear their name across the forums. I'm sorry but you seem to have accomplished the reverse.

You are being added to my DNT list

OP, you are being added to my friends list and I am more than willing to work with you on trades / sales.

*edit: Don't EVER post a comment about "oh is this how disputes are dealt with on the hf?". When we deal with disputes here on the hf, we look at it realistically. You however are not. Realistically, a year later, you should not have even bothered the OP, its a YEAR later. He is not a manufacturer or distributor of parts, he sold a used card, there is no warranty unless the manufacturer STILL has one, if they don't, than there is nothing he can do, and you should not bother him.

*edit 2: When I do sales, I offer 7-14 days after item has been received coverage on if the item dies due to power problems or whatnot. After 14 days, I wash my hands clean of all problems. Any reputable seller does the same, in fact, a lot of reputable sellers I deal with just give you a no DOA agreement and that is it.
 
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Buyer, I demand to know your address so I can ship you a good 50kg of sand that I want pounded by Monday.

And so help me -- I better not see any threads complaining about faulty sand, either; I'm sending the primo-poundable stuff. I want you pounding this sand so hard, it comes back glass.
 
Coldblackice said:
Buyer, I demand to know your address so I can ship you a good 50kg of sand that I want pounded by Monday.

And so help me -- I better not see any threads complaining about faulty sand, either; I'm sending the primo-poundable stuff. I want you pounding this sand so hard, it comes back glass.
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lol, I'm in as well for shipping 50lb (what the hell is a kg?) of sand to dip shit of the years house.
 
ssjsongoku03 said:
Im the buyer. yes it is a year later in reference to the 6950 (supposedly unlocked).

its an easy transaction guy.

I asked you personally if the card was unlocked, you said yes, I take your word for it.

I tried gpu-z myself about a month after i bought it, i saw the shader count said 1536, but all the other specs( texture fill, pixel fill, etc were all basic 6950 not 6970 unlocked, i thought nothing of it at the time, thinking i still had an unlocked card).

you knew this and sold me the card anyway, again its an easy unlock, i have a gpu-z screenshot if anyone wants it, he knew the card was laser cut or maybe he didnt,

i dont know exactly what he did to get gpu-z to show 1536 shaders instead of the 1408 6950's are suppose to have but about a year after the fact i check gpu-z again and what do you know 1408 shaders.

I atiwinflash my card usign 3 seperate 6970 bios's, they're all successful flashes but still the shaders and gpu z show a 6950 spec'd card. the card was never unlocked. its basically a scam.

the cards either laser cut or unflashable to a 6970 bios.yes it was a year since i bought the card, but again I saw a 1536 shader cut on gpu-z as soon as i bought it, as soon as i saw the texture and pixel fill rates were still 6950 spec'd i should have asked for a return.

Hey man im not a prick buyer, in fact i've bought plenty over ebay, hf, anandtech, and have been satisfied for the most part... but this isnt what i asked for, i bought this card thinking i bought a unlocked 6950 to 6970, you sold me an item that i didnt want or not working as it should.
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It is your responsibility to check and test anything you buy. Just like in a retail situation.

Learn from your "mistake" and move on. You've damaged your rep (if you think you have any) as far as I am concerned.

And if you had solid proof OP was not accurate, we deserve to know.

You did NOT do your job as a buyer. You learned your lesson (if your claim is in fact true, which has NOT been proven).
 
ssjsongoku03 said:
again it didnt take me a year, it took a year for th problem to present itself, see that might happen sometimes when you get screwed.
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The OP does not include any warranty clearly.

I have excellent heat and feedback in this community, welcome to my bad buyers list.
 
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