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If the results are better then integrated graphics (spoiler they were) then it did trounce it.
Hell the idea that I could play a graphic intense game at 720p medium setting 30fps without a dedicated GPU seems like a huge upgrade to me. Perhaps I have just had more experience with PC hardware.
Do yourself a favor a buy a system without a GPU and try playing some games.
Tell me how it goes.
Doesn't Mantle offload a lot of the CPU processing onto the GPU reducing the load on the CPU and thus allowing better-graphics/gameplay experience on lesser CPUs and thus have a direct effect on CPU-performance to an extent?
With non-Mantle for example, an i7-930 is likely, at stock ,heavily bottlenecked by a 290X or at least by 290X Crossfire or Tri-fire. But an i7-930 using Mantle, because the CPU requirement is so low (as indicated by the down-clocked to 2GHZ FX processor in the Oxide demo), the i7-930 might no longer be the bottleneck allowing that 290X to fully perform. It doesn't directly enhance CPU performance but lessens the requirement at which the CPU must perform to avoid a bottlenecking a particularly strong GPU. This has the potential at least to make video card upgrades being more practical for people with older cpu/motherboard combos. There's the potential this results in less CPU sales (or as often) and more GPU sales.
So with that regard, yes -- Mantle does have to do with CPU performance.
A modern high-end GPU uses 250-300W of power.WTF are you talking about...they are both integrated graphics???? If you consider playing graphic intensive games on low/medium detail with no AA at 720P great, then my friend you have some pretty low expectations of what a modern apu should do.
will the mantle bf4 patch work with current drivers or will AMD have to release new ones soon for it to work ?
Do you already have the 14.1s by any chance...new drivers
Do you already have the 14.1s by any chance...
Damn, I was going to inform you that I have some extra space on my Dropbox..Not yet, but was hoping to have them this week, as of right now, nothing yet.
Looks like if you have a slow AMD CPU great, but if you have a speedy Intel CPU there's nothing to talk about.
A lot of expectation for so little return.
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/am..._end_cpusnot_mainstream_and_high_end_pcs.htmlIt¡¦s also prudent to note that Mantle is still in the beta phase and may not reflect the full performance we might be able to achieve through the optimization time we¡¦ll be investing in the months ahead. And, as developers are still familiarizing themselves with Mantle and its relationship to Graphics Core Next, they may not have capitalized on all available opportunities for optimizations¡Xbut that will come with time.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...rings-Mantle-Support-Frame-Pacing-Phase-2-HSACore i7-4960X CPU + R9 290X GPU
1080p, Ultra Preset, 4xAA: 9.2% improvement with Mantle
1600p, Ultra Preset, 4xAA: 10% improvement with Mantle
To be released later today:
http://www.maximumpc.com/amds_catalyst_141_drivers_are_incoming_mantle_update_and_more
Some numbers
http://techgage.com/news/amd-shares-fresh-mantle-numbers-promises-driver-to-support-it-soon/
For the sort of systems people around here care about (not a low power AMD part paired with a top-end GPU), the numbers are around what I expected.
^^
edit: didn't see this yet, I'm guessing we'll see a ~15% improvement with any of the latest Intel CPUs.
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The GPU-limited test was done with a 260X, which is like less than half the performance of a 290X.
I wonder what happens in a more balanced scenario; i.e 4670k and a 290X..
Whoa, check this out: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/news/view/bf4-mantle-live/last/
Multiplayer = 7970 + 8350 = 25% faster
Singleplayer = 2x 290X + i7-3970x = 55% faster
Hmm... "(AMD will add support for the AMD Radeon HD 7970 in a later stage of Mantles release schedule, learn more)"
Guess not all GCN are created equal :-p
I would even say do Thuban and Phenom II x4 on there as well , those chips still are pretty good
Hmm, would this help with low end Intel CPU's?
Aka, would it boost my Q6600?
It is better if you understand what Mantle is , Mantle allows more/better access to the GPU.
Everything that is done in the game which now uses cpu will use the GPU. By removing all the load of the CPU the GPU is being kept busy.
So any CPU should see some improvements because the GPU is doing all the work.
Its funny you say this because you don't seem to understand what Mantle is doing yourself. Mantle doesn't move any CPU work to the GPU. It lessens the required CPU work to achieve the same amount of work fed to the gpu. So to feed the GPU takes less CPU horsepower. There are downsides to this low level approach but I'm not going to discuss those here.
The main benefit is that by cutting CPU requirements down, you let the GPU become the limiting factor more often... Instead of being starved by slow CPU feeding. So it's about getting the CPU out of the way of the GPU. It will not make your GPU workload change for rendering a given image. Of course the same inputs to the GPU are required to generate the same image.
If you currently run GPU bound, mantle brings nothing. If you have a slow CPU or have a multi GPU config that has so much GPU horsepower that you're getting CPU bound, it will help there.
But my question is if Mantle is CPU-vendor agnostic. It seems that it is judging nobody has said it isn't in reply.
So essentially if you are not CPU bound this is just useless. I do have a A10 6800k, maybe when prices come down on AMD cards I will pair something up.
Looks like if you have a slow AMD CPU great, but if you have a speedy Intel CPU there's nothing to talk about.
A lot of expectation for so little return.
This whole thing is pretty confusing.
I have a pair of 280X's sitting in their boxes. Does this apply to those cards or not?
I stopped using them because they were a little noisy and ran hot, but might go back if there's good reason.
This whole thing is pretty confusing.
I have a pair of 280X's sitting in their boxes. Does this apply to those cards or not?
I stopped using them because they were a little noisy and ran hot, but might go back if there's good reason.
Yes, of course.
There seems to be improvements also for multi-GPU setups with high-end CPUs in BF4, but in essense yes. (and this can't possibly be news if you've been following this)
The biggest performance gains can be seen when the game is bottlenecked by the CPU which can be quite common even on high-end machines and this was main goal to improve on with Mantle. Weve also been able to streamline and optimize some of the GPU workload. The end result is that game performance is improved in virtually all scenarios in Battlefield 4 on both Windows 7 and Windows 8 when running with Mantle!
wait wait I'm confused witch cards actually work or if it's easier witch cards don't ?
Which models? They ran hot? Most 280xs have good coolers (all custom) but mixing non-blowers in Crossfire can have disastrous results depending on case cooling setup.
Mantle is not supported on the 280x yet. They are working on those older cards for a follow up patch.