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Would you guys at the moment choose AMD or Intel is the better brand at the moment?
I'm kind of new to this. Also I know cost is favored as well?

Let me know guys.
 
Basically you could do something like this:

970 mainboard
FX 8320 +decent HSF
8GB 1600mhz ram and not break the bank.

Provided you know how to overclock it is not a bad combo. Is it faster no, cheaper and good enough to do well in newer games :) .

Some people favour the FX-6300.
 
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From everything I read. Intel is a far superior product. In my opinion, AMD is always a better value. You can get good mobos for cheaper, and the CPU's are pretty good. Another reason I stick with AMD is because of socket stability. I've used the same waterblock on the past 4 generations without needing a new bracket or even worrying about compatibility.

In games, my cpu is my bottleneck though. My 680 is like "wtf, keep up!" lol
 
You said gaming so i recommend water cooling. if money is no object go with go intel for perforance. im going amd becasue i need a bang for my buck. If you ask me both can play good games, to me its all about budget and how much cash you can invest.
 
I love AMD, but intel prices keep getting lower, and second hand you just cant beat the value of an Intel Xeon LGA 1366 L5639 for $75 on ebay. six cores, twelve threads and should overclock to 3.8ghz pretty easy. If i was buying new, id probably go over to microcenter and get a FX8320 plus 970 board,

I just saw a deal posted recently where a new i7 was $225. When I was super big on AMD intel prices were much higher for a similar product.
 
Cheap 8 core BD/PD with 12GB or 16GB for home media server to be accessed in up to 4 rooms simultaneously. Also use it for editing videos, and a nice gpu for gaming in that order. I think I'll wait for PCI 3.0 boards and Steamroller. I think that is the next platform from AMD.
 
What you plan to do, with what budget are the questions to ask.
If the games you play favor GPU over CPU, an FX can make a lot of sense, or if your programs can employ the 6 or 8 cores of the AMD modules.
For single thread, Intel architecture is best.
The rest is depends, and what you like to do.
And buying used, generally Intel is easier to find and own.
 
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I love AMD, but intel prices keep getting lower, and second hand you just cant beat the value of an Intel Xeon LGA 1366 L5639 for $75 on ebay. six cores, twelve threads and should overclock to 3.8ghz pretty easy. If i was buying new, id probably go over to microcenter and get a FX8320 plus 970 board,

I just saw a deal posted recently where a new i7 was $225. When I was super big on AMD intel prices were much higher for a similar product.
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i was elated when i looked at the xeon cpu i went to look at the benchmarks i saw that it was better than the fx 8350. wow and than i went to look at them on ebay and saw that they were cheap i was ready to jump in head first but look at the price of the motherboard wow i have already forgotten about it ;( damn o so close to finally finish my build:mad:.
 
techtechie said:
i was elated when i looked at the xeon cpu i went to look at the benchmarks i saw that it was better than the fx 8350. wow and than i went to look at them on ebay and saw that they were cheap i was ready to jump in head first but look at the price of the motherboard wow i have already forgotten about it ;( damn o so close to finally finish my build:mad:.
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actually i just went back to check out and the benchmark scores for the xeon cpu. but than i saw it was for dual cpu's
 
I think Intel has almost always been better if you are talking about pure performance. AMD competes on price, and then usually still do an adequate job.

My latest computer was a cheapo build ($700 total) and I went full AMD. Got the FX-4100 for $99, which was a great deal at the time. Most people will say that CPU sucks, but I was still able to play Bioshock Infinite in 720P on a 100" 3D projector. It looked great. Sure, not on extreme settings, but it was beautiful and ran at a decent speed.
 
I'll pretty much repeat what everyone else here says... Pure performance go for Intel. But if you want bang for the buck go AMD.
 
Intel... if you want best performance and can afford it
AMD... if you want less than Intel performance and are on a tighter budget

In terms of real world performance, you probably won't notice too much of a difference for everyday tasks and gaming (getting a better video card helps more on the gaming front).
 
Instead of generalizations, I personally would sit down and figure out what are my Top usage habits. Gaming, AVP editing. etc.

From there, I would try and see the programs I used for those top habits, are they single threaded or optimized for multi.

If Im doing most of my work on software thats optimized for multi, then honestly AMD or Intel you can`t goo wrong.

HOwever if your running single threaded or older softwares which are written pre-multi core era, then I would stick with Intel. They are slightly expensive, but they do provide a better overall usage experience fro single threaded applications.

In addition due to the Chipzillas vastly larger R&D budgets you can expect alot more feature sets embedded in their systems that are not yet available with AMD. Even the MB implement alot of proprietary tech their AMD boards dont have yet.

hope this semi helps
 
I went AMD on my last one, decided to stick the $200 or so I would have spent on the Intel build I wanted into better watercooling and some other little BS (sound proofing the inside of my case, lights, better fans, etc). Granted $200 isn't a ton of money, but I've since been 100% pleased with my choice. No problem playing most games maxed out at 1080 and the system is cool, quiet, and rock solid. I was able to both undervolt and bump up the turbo settings a bit with some minor tweaking.

That said, if Intel has come down in recent months, go with what ever will perform best for your needs.
 
AMD vs Intel is easy Intel offers better performance per watt, and better overall performance.

AMD offers better performance per dollar.

That being said I preordered a AMD FX 8120 before their release and picked up a Gigabyte FXA990 board. FX was released the benchmarks were rather lack buster.

I got my cpu a few days after release. I replaced a AMD 1055T @ 3.6ghz with the 8120. Performance stayed the same. Was a bit slower in some things (super pi and such). I managed to overclock the cpu using a Antec 920 cooler to 4.9ghz and it exceeded the performance of the 1055T @3.6ghz in all areas. I never tested the 1055T at higher clocks with a better cooler, I'm sure it would have been able to overclock higher with the better cooler.

The piledrivers were released, i decided to sell my 8120 and buy the 8320. Good choice the upgrade cost me around 30$. My 8320 clocks to 5ghz so bit more mhz out of this cpu, than my last. The gains were large.

Looking back at it all. I wouldn't have gotten the AMD system. I just figured the FX processors would be alot better than the 1055T I had before I mean after all they were bringing back the FX name. If i would have waited till after the FX release I would have likely picked up a 2600k instead. Lessons learned, but overall I am rather happy with the Performance I am getting out of the 8320. It's quite fast and it puts my fathers 3770k to shame in all benchmarks, Granted his 3770k is at stock clocks.
 
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how much power is your setup running on at idle?
Whats your cooling solution as well?
At 5gs your electric bill must be insane
 
OP just do some reading. Your question is relative to what you plan on doing. There are many threads about this. I would recommend watching teksyndicate videos on youtube, Goodluck.
 
samm said:
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how much power is your setup running on at idle?
Whats your cooling solution as well?
At 5gs your electric bill must be insane
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Yeah the power company at Ebduncan home town is building a nuclear reactor just to keep up with his monster 5ghz overclock. So in a way Ebduncan is bad really really bad ;)
 
jokes aside, there is a nuclear power plant here haha. Power is cheap at
Energy Charge
First 1,400 kWh: $0.08117 per kWh
Over 1,400 kWh: $0.08932 per kWh

it doesn't draw much power at idle. The System will draw around 700 watts full load (CPU+GPUS)

Its liquid cooled, XSPC Raystorm Block, RX 240 radiator, XSPC 750ml pump, Alpha cool 280mm Radiator. Corsair SP 120's in push only on the RX radiator. And 140mm Noiseblockers in push pull on the 280mm.

The loop is cpu+gpu+gpu
 
I'm looking to spend roughly around 550-750 for a PC...
Is it possible to go get a decent comp for about 800 with monitors? let me know guys
 
ebduncan said:
AMD vs Intel is easy Intel offers better performance per watt, and better overall performance.

AMD offers better performance per dollar.

That being said I preordered a AMD FX 8120 before their release and picked up a Gigabyte FXA990 board. FX was released the benchmarks were rather lack buster.

I got my cpu a few days after release. I replaced a AMD 1055T @ 3.6ghz with the 8120. Performance stayed the same. Was a bit slower in some things (super pi and such). I managed to overclock the cpu using a Antec 920 cooler to 4.9ghz and it exceeded the performance of the 1055T @3.6ghz in all areas. I never tested the 1055T at higher clocks with a better cooler, I'm sure it would have been able to overclock higher with the better cooler.

The piledrivers were released, i decided to sell my 8120 and buy the 8320. Good choice the upgrade cost me around 30$. My 8320 clocks to 5ghz so bit more mhz out of this cpu, than my last. The gains were large.

Looking back at it all. I wouldn't have gotten the AMD system. I just figured the FX processors would be alot better than the 1055T I had before I mean after all they were bringing back the FX name. If i would have waited till after the FX release I would have likely picked up a 2600k instead. Lessons learned, but overall I am rather happy with the Performance I am getting out of the 8320. It's quite fast and it puts my fathers 3770k to shame in all benchmarks, Granted his 3770k is at stock clocks.
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If your father overclocked his 3770k I have a feeling it'd kill the FX 8320.

If Anandtech's benchmarks are somewhat accurate... Well, the results speak for themselves.

I even did a comparison of an FX 8320 to my i7 930 (stock speeds from Anandtech) and it's just frustrating to see. From my standpoint of wanting to upgrade, realistically my only option in a real upgrade capacity is to go Intel. From a price standpoint I'd love to go AMD, but it'd be a side upgrade and basically a waste of money to get what I've already got.

Hopefully Kaveri will open some options up.
 
xTrident said:
Hopefully Kaveri will open some options up.
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This is the problem that has been nagging for to long. AMD does not disclose what is going to happen with AM3+ there is no Kaveri(Steamroller) chip planned for this platform.

The FM2+ variety is still going to be APU 2 module based (4c/4t). So no heavy hitting cpu for that platform either.
 
calveskim said:
I'm looking to spend roughly around 550-750 for a PC...
Is it possible to go get a decent comp for about 800 with monitors? let me know guys
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With monitorS? And gaming? Nope, can't really/easily be done for $800, assuming you have no parts to bring along from an earlier build.

Figure $125x2 for inexpensive but not TOO crappy monitors
Maybe $150 or so for a mid-range CPU
$100-125 for a basic to mid-range motherboard
About $70 for 8GB DDR3
Around $100 for a HDD or $150-200 for an SSD
Around $200 for a midrange GPU (270X)
Around $50 for a midrange PSU
Even if you got a super cheap $30-50 case, you're already above $800 now and there may be more parts that you might want, e.g. DVD or BD drive, possibly a sound card (which aren't particularly necessary in many cases, but a cheaper motherboard is more likely to have noisy onboard which may audibly benefit from a sound card), perhaps a nice stand for your monitors (get one from Parts Express, NOT MONOPRICE - Monoprice monitor mounts are crap), etc.

You could downgrade some stuff but then you'll probably end up with 19" monitors and an entry-level CPU and motherboard... I suppose it depends on your personal definition of what makes a computer "decent."

If you want more detailed info, make a new thread in general hardware.
 
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dandragonrage said:
With monitorS? And gaming? Nope, can't really/easily be done for $800, assuming you have no parts to bring along from an earlier build.

Figure $125x2 for inexpensive but not TOO crappy monitors
Maybe $150 or so for a mid-range CPU
$100-125 for a basic to mid-range motherboard
About $70 for 8GB DDR3
Around $100 for a HDD or $150-200 for an SSD
Around $200 for a midrange GPU (270X)
Around $50 for a midrange PSU
Even if you got a super cheap $30-50 case, you're already above $800 now and there may be more parts that you might want, e.g. DVD or BD drive, possibly a sound card (which aren't particularly necessary in many cases, but a cheaper motherboard is more likely to have noisy onboard which may audibly benefit from a sound card), perhaps a nice stand for your monitors (get one from Parts Express, NOT MONOPRICE - Monoprice monitor mounts are crap), etc.

You could downgrade some stuff but then you'll probably end up with 19" monitors and an entry-level CPU and motherboard... I suppose it depends on your personal definition of what makes a computer "decent."

If you want more detailed info, make a new thread in general hardware.
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Thanks I appreciate your help
 
I'd just go for a decent 22" or 24" and you can catch one on sale for 150 or less. Add a second one later as any budget card wont do so well on multi display anyway. Don't skimp on the PSU and it will be a solid long term investment. I've used the same 800w silverstone for 5 years (4 builds) and have had no issues.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1475775 (cpu/mobo) - $165
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148544 (ram) $67
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147181 (tower) $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068 (psu) - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107 (120g SSD) $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00YU4026 (1TB) $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009483 (23" display on sale) $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126097 (keyboard/mouse) $15
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135247 (Bluray Multi) $58
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127731 (650ti boost) $110 after rebate

total 825

A little over budget but swap out the ssd or BR combo for some savings or toward a better keyboard/mouse or tower...

also, not saying 100% go for those, but the 650ti should be able to get you playing games at pretty decent settings. Not awesome, but a good entry level. And going used will save a lot of cash and allow you to go for better parts.

All that for me to say, yes. You can make an ok PC for $800 all included.

I game with a 4130 and it's adequate. MMO's eat it up, but most games run full on on my gpu and just work the CPU but it's not a hindrance in getting playable framerates.
 
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SticKx911 said:
I'd just go for a decent 22" or 24" and you can catch one on sale for 150 or less. Add a second one later as any budget card wont do so well on multi display anyway. Don't skimp on the PSU and it will be a solid long term investment. I've used the same 800w silverstone for 5 years (4 builds) and have had no issues.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1475775 (cpu/mobo) - $165
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148544 (ram) $67
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147181 (tower) $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068 (psu) - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107 (120g SSD) $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00YU4026 (1TB) $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009483 (23" display on sale) $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126097 (keyboard/mouse) $15
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135247 (Bluray Multi) $58
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127731 (650ti boost) $110 after rebate

total 825

A little over budget but swap out the ssd or BR combo for some savings or toward a better keyboard/mouse or tower...

also, not saying 100% go for those, but the 650ti should be able to get you playing games at pretty decent settings. Not awesome, but a good entry level. And going used will save a lot of cash and allow you to go for better parts.

All that for me to say, yes. You can make an ok PC for $800 all included.

I game with a 4130 and it's adequate. MMO's eat it up, but most games run full on on my gpu and just work the CPU but it's not a hindrance in getting playable framerates.
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Thank you sir for the help I will be doing more research and see what I can do. But definitely looking towards used parts....
 
I been a AMD fanboy for years now (see signature) I just built an AMD 6400K APU for short money (Gigabyte MB & 6400K for $84.98 $74.98 AR from our friends @ Microcenter) You simply can't beat their combo deals! I needed a WINXP build for games that don't play nice with WIN7 64-Bit. My Asus MB died & I decided to start from scratch. The 8470D is an amazing GPU for the coin! This GPU will play many "modern" games @ high resolution! It's almost too much for the old games I'm playing! I have always been a fan of the "underdog" & AMD get's my money!
 
I was Intel only for 10 years, then went strictly AMD this year. I look at the rigs under my desk (see sig) and am pretty happy with what I've built.
 
ebduncan said:
I just figured the FX processors would be alot better than the 1055T I had before I mean after all they were bringing back the FX name....
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Names don't mean shit. How a chip performs, the thermal dynamics, and power draw are the only things that matter. If intel came out with a new chip tomorrow called "The Ass Clown" that was faster than a 4770k, used less power, and over clocked higher I'd buy it that day. I'd also put that Ass Clown line right in my signature.
 
I'm budget limited....so I keep buying AMD. I can do everything...it's stable and good. And CHEAP. If you have the money...get an Intel. I'm still using a quad-core Phenom2 965...planning to upgrade to an FX8350...awesome performance..for what? Only 140 Euro! I'm tempted to get a faster model...like the 9370 or 9590.....(4.7 or 5GHz)...but they have a 220W TDP. Yes...I have a 220w tdp cooler, the Dark Rock Pro 2...but i'm still unsure...we don't have a nuclear power plant and energy is not cheap :/
 
You could as well do the minor overclock yourself and get something like 4.4-4.5 and not draw that much power.
 
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