Oculus VR Co-Founder Andrew Scott Reisse Killed

Ah crap, I completely forgot to comment on the other part again.

The guys being chased already killed someone else. If your friend or family member just got killed, would you guys really say. Oh let him go for now, don't want to cause an accident, after all. He'll get caught some time down the road. Cuz I sure as hell wouldn't.
 
Serpent said:
Ah crap, I completely forgot to comment on the other part again.

The guys being chased already killed someone else. If your friend or family member just got killed, would you guys really say. Oh let him go for now, don't want to cause an accident, after all. He'll get caught some time down the road. Cuz I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Sometimes fucked up shit just happens. There's not a fix for everything or for bad luck. Everyone, including you and me are going to die someday.
 
I know in our area, if the speeds are above some limit the police will likely not follow. Instead they will try to get some level of aerial tracking, chopper, drone or what have you and pick you up when you stop.

The thought being that if they are speeding up because of the chase, there is a chance they will slow down if they feel like they evaded the police.
 
I hope one officer for every innocent person that they kill endangering the public by enticing a high speed chase by particpating in it gets smashed in a wreck.
 
Would it be an acceptable alternative if every squad car had a drone in the back that the partner can fly?
 
sliverjazz said:
I hope one officer for every innocent person that they kill endangering the public by enticing a high speed chase by particpating in it gets smashed in a wreck.
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Hmm...stating that people who have the potential to die on any given night should get smashed in a wreck because of the death of one person who was killed by a fleeing felon driving at high speed?. I fail to see the logic in that one. I hope the next time you need the police they choose not to show up.
 
Showbiz said:
Sometimes fucked up shit just happens. There's not a fix for everything or for bad luck. Everyone, including you and me are going to die someday.
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Not saying we don't. But I doubt you'd say "just let him go for now, he'll get caught some day" if someone close to you died because of their culprit's actions.

I'm not saying they should give chase, I believe the police near my area is like one mentioned earlier, they chase to a certain speed, and let copters follow if it's past that. Not sure though.
 
I would think those Do Not Chase restrictions are in place in regards to non-felonies. If police are chasing someone after a murder they're not going to slow down or stop and as much as I'm against high-speed chases for things like traffic violations I wouldn't want them to back off from chasing someone who just shot someone.
 
kirbyrj said:
Hmm...stating that people who have the potential to die on any given night should get smashed in a wreck because of the death of one person who was killed by a fleeing felon driving at high speed?. I fail to see the logic in that one. I hope the next time you need the police they choose not to show up.
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There's just as much logic in that as there is in the assertion that someone dying is perfectly fine as long as "we get'em".

So basically what you are doing is weighting the life of police above of that of the citizenry they are supposed to protect. Genius! :rolleyes:
 
kac77 said:
There's just as much logic in that as there is in the assertion that someone dying is perfectly fine as long as "we get'em".

So basically what you are doing is weighting the life of police above of that of the citizenry they are supposed to protect. Genius! :rolleyes:
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The logic isn't that "we get'em" the logic is that without the threat of pursuit, a criminal can do whatever he wants. Talking about aerial chasing, etc. is all fine and good, except it takes time to get a helicopter airborne and in the area. The real world isn't all downtown L.A.

I have yet to see someone take seriously the fact that this alleged criminal was a shooting suspect (and the reality is, an innocent person wouldn't engage in a high speed chase), and I have yet to see someone state that if someone is shooting at them, they would not like the police to pursue that individual. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy that someone died, but I'm sick of people blaming police for the actions of criminals.
 
kirbyrj said:
The logic isn't that "we get'em" the logic is that without the threat of pursuit, a criminal can do whatever he wants.
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The whole point of pursuit is the risk of being caught. They aren't being chased so that the police can treat the criminals to Baskin Robbins or Rita's. The whole point of pursuit is that you "get" the criminal you are pursuing. If that's not the case then car chases are happening purely for psychological effect.

kirbyrj said:
I have yet to see someone take seriously the fact that this alleged criminal was a shooting suspect (and the reality is, an innocent person wouldn't engage in a high speed chase), and I have yet to see someone state that if someone is shooting at them, they would not like the police to pursue that individual. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy that someone died, but I'm sick of people blaming police for the actions of criminals.
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People do take it seriously. It's just that life matters more to some than ego, or melodramatic terms like "justice" or "the law". Life isn't anything like a Dirty Harry movie. Pursuit on a busy highway can kill innocent bystanders. Misfired shots around crowded streets have unintended consequences. Police are no better than any other law abiding citizen. They are human and are susceptible to the human condition as much as anyone else is. That occupation isn't even the most dangerous. It's pretty far behind truck drivers and electric line workers.

The moment you put them on a pedestal is the moment you create situations when the desired outcome always justifies the means. Just because they are in a position of power also doesn't mean the citizenry should allow complete disengagement of high minded cerebral functions. Coincidentally this is the same problem we have with other government occupations.

Let me be the first to state it if no one has before. I would prefer justice without the loss of life of the innocent.
 
kac77 said:
Let me be the first to state it if no one has before. I would prefer justice without the loss of life of the innocent.
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The problem is, the lack of justice could also potentially take the life of the innocent as well.
 
Serpent said:
Not saying we don't. But I doubt you'd say "just let him go for now, he'll get caught some day" if someone close to you died because of their culprit's actions.

I'm not saying they should give chase, I believe the police near my area is like one mentioned earlier, they chase to a certain speed, and let copters follow if it's past that. Not sure though.
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I agree with you :). And I like the idea of helicopters following a suspect (assuming you live in a district wealthy enough to afford one).

I just had read a whole bunch of posts in this thread from the "experts" about how this should have been fixed. I usually prefer to leave those judgements to people who are much smarter than I am :p
 
Skillz said:
The problem is, the lack of justice could also potentially take the life of the innocent as well.
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I don't think he cares about that. Lack of pursuit is a short term solution with unintended consequences. The reality is in non-urban areas, without the threat of a pursuit you are essentially admitting defeat and allowing a criminal to do whatever he wants, not to mention the threat of return fire if fired upon.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
The global average is about 67 years so 33 is basically half of that. It's in this chart at the very bottom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_variation_over_time
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Look at the page you linked hint:usa average = 77-80),
now look at what I posted. hint: I said usa and not war torn third world countries

the man who died lived in the USA and was pretty well off, you could expect him to live to 80 and beyond.

33 is not half of 80
 
jeffreybt said:
Look at the page you linked hint:usa average = 77-80),
now look at what I posted. hint: I said usa and not war torn third world countries

the man who died lived in the USA and was pretty well off, you could expect him to live to 80 and beyond.

33 is not half of 80
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People that live in the US contribute to the global average. Taking a US-centric view that ignores the rest of the world or at least pretends its insignificant is something that makes the average American citizen look insulated and clueless about the broader world around them. Look at people from Canada or Sri Lanka that have a bigger perspective. They know that when someone dies in the US, it becomes a global factor. I'm not sure why you want to be intentionally blind to the fact that, when you're 33, you're 50% deceased as far as the planet is concerned. :(
 
Sad news, I hope whoever involved gets the book thrown at them and they never see the light of day again. What a waste.:(


Some of you posting should do the world a favor and pull your lip over your head and swallow.
 
robcreepy said:
I wouldn't think a Dodge Charger would be on that list of high end performance cars anyways.. and 33 isn't old! :(
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You can mod them to go as fast as it will carry you.
The police pursuit version is "limited" to a top speed of 157mph.
Not your average car.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
People that live in the US contribute to the global average. Taking a US-centric view that ignores the rest of the world or at least pretends its insignificant is something that makes the average American citizen look insulated and clueless about the broader world around them. Look at people from Canada or Sri Lanka that have a bigger perspective. They know that when someone dies in the US, it becomes a global factor. I'm not sure why you want to be intentionally blind to the fact that, when you're 33, you're 50% deceased as far as the planet is concerned. :(
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Uh... except for the fact that the location we're concerned with in this case is quite specific (the United States). Given his location we could have expected him to live to 80 years of age or more.

33 is not half of 80, which is the average for the location where this event took place. it has nothing to do with being clueless or nationalistic, it's geographical...
 
Skillz said:
The problem is, the lack of justice could also potentially take the life of the innocent as well.
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not pursuing isn't the same as lack of justice.

pursuit is not the same thing as justice. Pursuit may lead to justice, and a lot of other approaches to the situation could lead to justice too, and without risking innocents.
 
As the debate goes on about a specific incident, the vagueness and generalizations grows exponentially away from the initial topic.
 
stealthy123 said:
not pursuing isn't the same as lack of justice.

pursuit is not the same thing as justice. Pursuit may lead to justice, and a lot of other approaches to the situation could lead to justice too, and without risking innocents.
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Name one of these "approaches to the situation" that could lead to justice without risking innocents? The most common one I hear is "aerial pursuit" but the reality is, in most places around the country, the suspect could easily be well hidden by the time a helicopter is in the air, and the majority of people aren't going to want to pay taxes to have a helicopter airborne 24/7 just in case a pursuit happens, not to mention the vast amount of ground some departments (specifically state police) cover where there is no other police presence. It's just not a realistic option.

Drones?
 
Ashbringer said:
Not a fan of police chasing speeding cars. Police should know when to stop pursuit when it endangers the public.
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That can be bad policy especially when you ignore circumstances.
Authorities say a pedestrian was struck and killed by a vehicle involved in a police chase in Santa Ana Thursday.


Authorities say the incident began at about 11:50 a.m. when officers saw two vehicles full of people involved in some type of criminal activity in the 1000 block of Rosewood Court. Police would not elaborate.

When officers went to investigate, there was a physical altercation between a suspect and an officer, and an officer-involved shooting occurred. The suspect was taken to a local hospital, where he later died from his injuries. His name has not been released.

Three suspects then got into a white Dodge Charger and took off, beginning the pursuit. The pursuit lasted about a mile, with the Charger hitting two other vehicles along the way.

The pursuit ended after a man in his 40s or 50s was fatally struck while walking in a cross walk by the suspects' vehicle in the area of Flower Street and MacArthur Boulevard. The victim's name has not been released.

The Charger crashed about 100 feet down the road, and the suspects tried to flee on foot, but they were eventually taken into custody. The driver, identified as 21-year-old Victor Sanchez, was taken into custody at the scene. The second suspect was found by a police dog, and a third suspect was Tasered.
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Not every department can afford to get a helicopter in the air and follow from a distance while sending more patrols to the area to pick them up once they either head out on foot or speed up if they try to flee out of populated areas.
http:///maps/hRDaj
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
I admit I don't know much about cars, but the TV ads try to sell stuff on performance and going fast. There really should be a mandatory limit though so that people don't go a lot faster than highway speeds and it shouldn't be some computer device that everyone bypasses or removes. It should just be done by making cars less powerful. You also get more fuel economy and those huge pickup trucks would start to disappear so it's like a triple win.

33 is pretty old. Not ancient, but that's pretty much like half a human's lifespan.
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60 is the new 90 years of age?
 
I assume the police had lights and sirens going full blast, so why was he crossing the street with approaching sirens? If I am walking somewhere and hear sirens, I like to move closer to the nearest building until I know they have gone past, or are fading away.
 
Although it is a tragedy when someone needlessly dies it is probably not appropriate to lay the blame on the police here ... the proposals that police not chase or that an aerial chase would have somehow averted this tragedy are likely equally false ... having been a pedestrian for a year now I can testify that cars are inherently dangerous (even when they are not trying to evade law enforcement) for pedestrians (and bicyclists) ... even when I have right away I am carefully observing traffic and listening for cars or sirens ... it is always sad to see someone younger die (CUG's creative statistical manipulations not withstanding) but I would never want to see major policy or budgetary changes made based on one incident ;)
 
darkstarcow said:
I assume the police had lights and sirens going full blast, so why was he crossing the street with approaching sirens? If I am walking somewhere and hear sirens, I like to move closer to the nearest building until I know they have gone past, or are fading away.
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Does it really matter? The driver is always responsible regardless , people always have the right of way.

Its an awful thing that Scott was killed in a chase. This is exactly why police chases are more dangerous to bystanders in circumstances like this than those being chased.

I hope the driver gets a long sentence for what he's done.
 
Godmachine said:
Does it really matter? The driver is always responsible regardless , people always have the right of way.

Its an awful thing that Scott was killed in a chase. This is exactly why police chases are more dangerous to bystanders in circumstances like this than those being chased.

I hope the driver gets a long sentence for what he's done.
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Although the concept of "right of way" is a great legal concept I think the old joke sums it up best "Too many people confuse right of way with immortality" ... Even when I have right of way I still look for traffic and avoid stepping in front of vehicles that don't appear to be stopping ;)
 
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