In this case I'd say the disabling is warranted. Regardless of what she presents in her videos there's a serious amount of pure hatred directed at her.
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Video Game Tropes vs. Women Part 2
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In this case I'd say the disabling is warranted. Regardless of what she presents in her videos there's a serious amount of pure hatred directed at her.
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When the only thing you'd end up seeing is a bunch of redditors and the rest of the internet's dreggs boiling over to drown out the legitimate discussion with pointless idiocy, I can't say I blame her. Besides, her purpose is not to HAVE a dialogue, but to START one.
Even if she's disingenuous.
I support giving both sides, but there is no real discussion to be had when the comments are completely filled with trolls and there is not enough moderation in the world to bring order to the amount of shit that gets slung in her direction. I personally disagree with her approach but I certainly can see the rational behind the disabled comments.
Nah, she might make a great sandwich -- the accompanying ass chewing/re-edumication that would likely come with it is probably not great.
I think this crazy bitch "is" the sexist. She is grossly anti-male and is working really hard to rationalize her hate. These "tropes" have existed in stories going back thousands of years across virtually every culture in history. What would be remarkable is their absence in video games.
If she is unhappy with life in America surrounded by American men maybe she should try living in a middle-eastern country instead...
If she is unhappy with life in America surrounded by American men maybe she should try living in a middle-eastern country instead...
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Your previous post says she doesn't play games, and now you say she plays Dragon Age and Witcher?
Nearly every game? It's rare to find a game that has a woman that needs rescue. The only games that come to mind are the ones mentioned in the video. Otherwise, most game today have far more interesting plot stories.
#1 Rescue the scientist. Given that these are side missions, but the scientist is typically a weak male. AKA Nerds.
#2 Stop Demons or aliens from invading. Even Diablo 3's antagonist is Diablo brought back as a female.
#3 Most games today allow you to choose your gender. Shepherd from Mass Effect is either female or male, and can have sexual relations with either as either.
No I don't, and she needs to get out of that rock she's hiding under. Men today are much more willing to have women heroes. The problem is she probably wouldn't like that either. Cause men do wanna see skinny women we large breasts.
Your sister wouldn't be happy unless all female heroes were a selectable option that looked like this. If you're wondering, that's from the Venture Bros. She's the body guard to some female scientists I forget the name.
Yea, I don't doubt that you'll have lots of idiots just saying stupid shit. But blocking it entirely really isn't exactly good in starting a dialogue because all it does is say "This is what I think. Good bye." It's basically outright denial to have a dialogue. Like I said, not exactly helpful to her cause.
Everyone gets stupid comments, can't take it? Don't make a public statement.
Yes, blocking it isn't a good way to have a dialogue, but leaving it open wouldn't result in a very good signal to noise ratio. The raw volume of stupid comments would vastly outnumber any sort of productive discussion because Youtube simply is not a very good discussion platform when the comments are flooded with trolls.
You're saying turning the comments off results in no dialogue. I'm saying if you turned on the comments you wouldn't have any productive dialogue because of the SNR. I'm honestly not sure how any real dialogue could possibly happen without a dedicated forum and an army of moderators. Just as an example, the thread on reddit about this video has 1472 comments. With that many comments, how exactly does one have a productive discussion on youtube? It's virtually impossible
If you ever leave your small world and watch the video, you might realize she actually does.
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Exactly. Anyone who doesn't agree with every point this woman makes is a racist homophobe rape culture enabler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcl6y5Zmyd4
My what a clever way to make money, Anita. The "teleseminar secret(s) is out"
I'm actually ashamed she was born in my hometown.
My what a clever way to make money, Anita. The "teleseminar secret(s) is out"
I'm actually ashamed she was born in my hometown.
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Say it aint so.
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my problem with this topic, is the same as with women in x Job sector where they generalize that because there's not alot of women in x job sector ,means that there is discrimination against women. Compared to say that maybe women have different interest and aren't attracted to those sectors.
Watched a video where some popular video review guy threw is hat in, was arguing 51% of women where gamers.
Let's say even if there was 51% of gamers that were women , they aren't playing these sexist games that cater to men. They might be playing bejewel or world of goo.
Every two weeks for the past year , sexism in game has been coming up. The posters say they wanna discuss it cause the problem is still there. Yet the discussion is We want games to change, your opinion is not valid cause your male or goes against what we believe thus your opinion is a strawman.
Wanting every game to become homogeneous to what you like and disregarding everyone else is very immature.
Just do like movies and book and have games specially published and targeted at women and see how that goes. Wanting games that are targeted towards male teens to change ,would be like asking for every action movie to have less testosterone , a story and a plot that makes sense.
the women around can and do enjoy from time to time a good action movie, but its not their cup o tea.
a discussion goes both ways and as long as it's a one sided one ,this is all i'll bring to the table.
Watched a video where some popular video review guy threw is hat in, was arguing 51% of women where gamers.
Let's say even if there was 51% of gamers that were women , they aren't playing these sexist games that cater to men. They might be playing bejewel or world of goo.
Every two weeks for the past year , sexism in game has been coming up. The posters say they wanna discuss it cause the problem is still there. Yet the discussion is We want games to change, your opinion is not valid cause your male or goes against what we believe thus your opinion is a strawman.
Wanting every game to become homogeneous to what you like and disregarding everyone else is very immature.
Just do like movies and book and have games specially published and targeted at women and see how that goes. Wanting games that are targeted towards male teens to change ,would be like asking for every action movie to have less testosterone , a story and a plot that makes sense.
the women around can and do enjoy from time to time a good action movie, but its not their cup o tea.
a discussion goes both ways and as long as it's a one sided one ,this is all i'll bring to the table.
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Seriously, gender equality is the same as gender abolishment for the simple reason that one mans trash is another mans treasure, or should we say, womans treasure?
No, there are women who work at hooters and there are women who like rape fantasies and some of them are outspoken about it and some of them are feminists and some other feminists tell them they're "perpetuating oppressive systems" and they retort with accusations of slut shaming etc.
The fact is that feminists who have a problem with ALL STEREOTYPES out of principle are gender abolitionists. If you get rid of all gender stereotypes, you get rid of gender.
No, there are women who work at hooters and there are women who like rape fantasies and some of them are outspoken about it and some of them are feminists and some other feminists tell them they're "perpetuating oppressive systems" and they retort with accusations of slut shaming etc.
The fact is that feminists who have a problem with ALL STEREOTYPES out of principle are gender abolitionists. If you get rid of all gender stereotypes, you get rid of gender.
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This.
Men and women are different for very good reasons. Evolutionary, physiological, psychological, developmental, hormonal (oh god hormonal) etc. Simply pretending that these differences don't exist won't make them go away, and doing so is simply disingenuous and DESTINED to make your life harder.
Ever try to be calm when a baby is crying its ass off directly next to you? It's fucking hard, and guess what? It's easier to get up and walk away with the under standing that babies cry than sit there and pretend like it's not crying... all the while your body is automatically responding to pump chemicals to your brain, heart and muscles designed to make you feel borderline insane.
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Yessss....
...the female personality is "more sensitive" because estrogen literally makes your skin more sensitive, and our culture is nothing more than a vast abstraction of animal instincts, especially when it comes to sexuality. When boobs turn you on, your hormones are saying "I want this milk in my children" and when manly muscles turn you on, you're saying "I might need this in case a dragon kidnaps me" lol...
Interesting to think that feminine gay men are kinda less gay then masculine gay men. haha.
For some reason I'm now thinking about the movie "Equilibrium" except everyone is taking hormone balancing pills... but then would we have everyone taking hormonal blockers or the men taking estrogen and the women taking testosterone?
Llast night someone told me
So its like, yeah, you can't ban people from wearing the color pink. but if you think about it, is also gender abolishment in a kind of "anyone should be whatever gender they want, whenever they want" way.
And so I asked, what do we do with the pronouns then? To which she responded, well then we can just apply them to individuals sex or whatever they personally want to be called. And I'm like YEAH THAT WILL REALLY SIMPLIFY THINGS
Anyway, the only real way to "fix" our sexist problems is to be more open minded and less stupid and judgmental, just like oppression of minorities etc. IMO the only people who are fully willing and capable of defying gender stereotypes are transgender people. So that's my solution, hang out with a lot of trans people... but maybe that's just due to my current situation lol...
...the female personality is "more sensitive" because estrogen literally makes your skin more sensitive, and our culture is nothing more than a vast abstraction of animal instincts, especially when it comes to sexuality. When boobs turn you on, your hormones are saying "I want this milk in my children" and when manly muscles turn you on, you're saying "I might need this in case a dragon kidnaps me" lol...
Interesting to think that feminine gay men are kinda less gay then masculine gay men. haha.
For some reason I'm now thinking about the movie "Equilibrium" except everyone is taking hormone balancing pills... but then would we have everyone taking hormonal blockers or the men taking estrogen and the women taking testosterone?
Llast night someone told me
So its like, yeah, you can't ban people from wearing the color pink. but if you think about it, is also gender abolishment in a kind of "anyone should be whatever gender they want, whenever they want" way.
And so I asked, what do we do with the pronouns then? To which she responded, well then we can just apply them to individuals sex or whatever they personally want to be called. And I'm like YEAH THAT WILL REALLY SIMPLIFY THINGS
Anyway, the only real way to "fix" our sexist problems is to be more open minded and less stupid and judgmental, just like oppression of minorities etc. IMO the only people who are fully willing and capable of defying gender stereotypes are transgender people. So that's my solution, hang out with a lot of trans people... but maybe that's just due to my current situation lol...
Only in America, where women are freer than anywhere else in the world, can woman with custom-tailored no-fail degrees complain about basic aspects of human nature as a paid job.
Mostly men buy games, and you write to your largest audience. Men are more motivated by the aspect of rescuing women (wait, shouldn't that be a "stereotype"/attitude to encourage?) then just being told to do something for the sake of it.
As a father, for example, the Bioshock games spoke to me beyond just shooting enemies because they were there to shoot. Designers need to give players a reason to do something if they want them be engaged in their game. I can't think of a better reason than rescuing women, which I am predisposed to like. On the flip side, if a woman is strong and capable, like Bioshock Infinite's Elizabeth, all the better.
Mostly men buy games, and you write to your largest audience. Men are more motivated by the aspect of rescuing women (wait, shouldn't that be a "stereotype"/attitude to encourage?) then just being told to do something for the sake of it.
As a father, for example, the Bioshock games spoke to me beyond just shooting enemies because they were there to shoot. Designers need to give players a reason to do something if they want them be engaged in their game. I can't think of a better reason than rescuing women, which I am predisposed to like. On the flip side, if a woman is strong and capable, like Bioshock Infinite's Elizabeth, all the better.
Yup, and here is what so many people fail to consider.... Every violent rapey dude sitting at home playing a video game is one less violent rapey dude out violently raping. Videogames, even the violent a/o heavily sexualized ones, are a massive net-win for our society because they alleviate boredom, which otherwise would lead to risky/stupid/aggressive acts.
I listened to some more, and she is speaking out of both sides of her mouth: she argues that women should not be portrayed as helpless victims OR enemies. She would probably object to women being "merely" sidekicks as well. So what is left? Women can only be the protagonist?
And what about games where women are protagonists? I wouldn't expect that they would be tasked with rescuing men, since women are not coded with that instinct/motivation. Most female protagonists are tasked with mere survival in games.
The violence against women angle is just a female chauvinist trope; men can be butchered at will but women are a protected class; but isn't that where her circular argument began?
And what about games where women are protagonists? I wouldn't expect that they would be tasked with rescuing men, since women are not coded with that instinct/motivation. Most female protagonists are tasked with mere survival in games.
The violence against women angle is just a female chauvinist trope; men can be butchered at will but women are a protected class; but isn't that where her circular argument began?
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I don't the hatred and violence towards this woman. What she says is kinda true, but is also a lazy argument. What she is citing can be applied to 90% of fantasy and sci-fi literature and TV shows. So, game authors do the same thing, lazy?... yes ....unique problem? no. The funny thing is if you log into most MMO games and good majority of the male players are playing female character (myself included). Now, my rational is if I am going to watch a character run around for hours I would rather stare at a woman than a man, but I also like hardball women. Not butch, not tough as nails.
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Your previous post says she doesn't play games, and now you say she plays Dragon Age and Witcher?
Nearly every game? It's rare to find a game that has a woman that needs rescue. The only games that come to mind are the ones mentioned in the video. Otherwise, most game today have far more interesting plot stories.
#1 Rescue the scientist. Given that these are side missions, but the scientist is typically a weak male. AKA Nerds.
#2 Stop Demons or aliens from invading. Even Diablo 3's antagonist is Diablo brought back as a female.
#3 Most games today allow you to choose your gender. Shepherd from Mass Effect is either female or male, and can have sexual relations with either as either.
No I don't, and she needs to get out of that rock she's hiding under. Men today are much more willing to have women heroes. The problem is she probably wouldn't like that either. Cause men do wanna see skinny women we large breasts.
Your sister wouldn't be happy unless all female heroes were a selectable option that looked like this. If you're wondering, that's from the Venture Bros. She's the body guard to some female scientists I forget the name.
So basically you're saying is that you want all the toys to cater to you and not everyone else. Maybe that's why so many video game companies are folding and going bankrupt. Just something to think about.
My sister stills spends her entertainment budget; it just goes to things that interest her and not to things that vilify her for being female.
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So basically you're saying is that you want all the toys to cater to you and not everyone else. Maybe that's why so many video game companies are folding and going bankrupt. Just something to think about.
While I get what you are saying, generally, I'm not sure that many of the games the video held up actually vilified any women for being women...
Yeah, it's been out for awhile. I actually like what she brings to the discussion, not about feminism mind you but about the cultural commodification of fame. I plan to bring it up in my class when and if I get the time. Would you trade on your reputation to be an entertainer who is despised and mocked? For how much? 100K, 10 million, 100 million?
It's simple really, just as the kickstarter model eliminated most of the headaches surrounding game development from a "shackled to a big publisher" standpoint, Anita is removing the barriers to fame and notoriety by going direct to youtube instead of being on talk radio, npr or fox news.
She is the new media equivalent to Rush or Olbermann. She is not trying to educate or start any type of discussion unless it benefits her. The controversy is the point, people.
Not that is a bad thing, mind you. She is an adult and can make her own decisions. I wouldn't throw my reputation under the bus and perhaps sabotage my future employment options for a measly 100K but hey that's just me. If I was on her hiring committee, I know which way I would vote.
Bwhahahahaha. So wrong on some many levels. If you think these are the same then either you are misinformed or just ignorant of credible sources. Anyone who works in gender studies that is actually respected goes waaaaaay out of their way to equate gender equality with respecting gender differences. The key word here is differences. I even italicized it for you.
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IME, anyone who works in gender studies is as bad as our friend Anita here. "Gender Studies" is for people who couldn't hack it as a psychologist in college.
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To be clear... the difference (see the italics there?) is that one is a science and one is a liberal arts degree.
Actually, at my university Gender Studies is a specialization under Psychology. And yes, you can get a PhD in it. That is what I mean by someone who is respected and knowledgeable about the field. Just to be clear
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Actually, at my university Gender Studies is a specialization under Psychology. And yes, you can get a PhD in it. That is what I mean by someone who is respected and knowledgeable about the field. Just to be clear
Anyone can get a PhD, and having one doesn't mean you are respected or knowledgeable. Neither does it represent a science just because it has a PhD available. Pick up a copy of SCIENCE and read a few stories critically; there are some poor scientists out there with PhDs, little respect and widlly varying degrees of knowledge.
Sorry, if I don't sit through a second video after the excruciating first one. But what I said previously still stands, she doesn't want to talk about it, she wants to lecture on it.
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so, will this thread be closed as has every other thread that comes up about this topic? or are we past that sillyness?
I don't mind what she's saying, but she just seems very one-sided and cocky, which is annoying... but glad to see she's addressing the other stuff in the next episode. will I watch it? no, I haven't learned anything of value from her videos and find them rather boring/lack-luster
I don't mind what she's saying, but she just seems very one-sided and cocky, which is annoying... but glad to see she's addressing the other stuff in the next episode. will I watch it? no, I haven't learned anything of value from her videos and find them rather boring/lack-luster
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Well, I'm going to keep rescuing the princess because damned if I'm going to go save Jim from Bowser. He can do it himself.
War games? It's men saving other men. Like war. Women don't go out and fight in the front lines.... Let's keep it real there.
This woman sounds like she took ideas from a 1970's feminist book and rewrote them for this video (and still sounds like she is reading them). She gives other feminists a bad name. She's why people call them feminist nazi bitches.
War games? It's men saving other men. Like war. Women don't go out and fight in the front lines.... Let's keep it real there.
This woman sounds like she took ideas from a 1970's feminist book and rewrote them for this video (and still sounds like she is reading them). She gives other feminists a bad name. She's why people call them feminist nazi bitches.
This.
Men and women are biologically designed to complement each other. In reality, they aren't equal. That doesn't mean that one gender is worth more than the other one, just that each gender tends to have different items they excel at. Instead of trying to force some bogus manufactured "fairness" via political correctness we'd be better off focusing on the areas where we are individually gifted in. There's no shame in being good at function X instead of function Y.