NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

I would set it up with an h220 blowing inside the case an two fans on the ground blowing into the case, too. Thats why it would be interesting how an additional 140 fan in the top, if the case would be 20mm higher, cool the hardware components in comparison to system 1a and 1b etc..
 
and destroying the design ... never^^... I love that small design and my opinion is to let it as it is if there are no thermal problems. But if they would make it higher it would be nice to know what effect has it on the temps.
 
Seriously? The fan would be mounted outside the case for testing purposes. If it's found to make a thermal contribution, the size of the case can be (possibly) changed. Your way requires a third prototype to be built, solely for testing this one instance, which makes absolutely no sense.
 
ah ok, i thought you mean i should mount the fan outside thecase later. For the test i mean it like you ... mount it outside for testing... sry for misunderstanding
 
There is no need to put any fan on the top of the case, there simply isn't. With 2 fans pushing air in, and specially considering their position regarding the rest of the case, a top fan will never do anything useful (unless you can't put any fan on the side, that is).

The only place where air might actually get stuck is between the bottom of the case and the graphics card... and still it doesn't worry me that much.
 
How do people feel about making it slightly wider (which was asked a few pages ago)?

If we could get slightly more width for a slim fan behind the motherboard that might be nice... I've been hoping that would become more standard.
 
OMFG can people just stop requesting design changes? If you wanted to take part in the creation of the case you should have been making these suggestions 100 pages ago and not at this point in time!
 
Maybe they weren't around? I only joined these forums right before the campaign ended (though apparently I'd created an account a while back)
 
cookiePlant said:
OMFG can people just stop requesting design changes? If you wanted to take part in the creation of the case you should have been making these suggestions 100 pages ago and not at this point in time!
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calm down, I've been here a long time... since before the prototype was paid for (and paid for with my help).

The very purpose of the prototype was to fine-tune the design and decide what (if any) changes should be made.

Necere suggested that perhaps ventilation behind the motherboard would improve thermals.

Necere said:
My conclusion is that a more useful addition may be to ventilate the right side panel, both to allow some of the hot air trapped behind the motherboard tray to get out, and possibly to allow the PSU to be flipped to draw in outside air.
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Now that I recall, my PC-Q18 is the same shape as this case and the right panel which is unventilated does get quite warm under load. Although in this case it might be worse because the PSU is on the right side as well.
Edit: that was with a non-reference cooler GPU. :(
 
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Zangmonkey said:
How do people feel about making it slightly wider (which was asked a few pages ago)?

If we could get slightly more width for a slim fan behind the motherboard that might be nice... I've been hoping that would become more standard.
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would also help with cable management. could stuff all the cables back there too.
 
Zangmonkey said:
calm down, I've been here a long time... since before the prototype was paid for (and paid for with my help).

The very purpose of the prototype was to fine-tune the design and decide what (if any) changes should be made.

Necere suggested that perhaps ventilation behind the motherboard would improve thermals.
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I think just ventilating it (i.e. adding holes, like the other side panel) would be sufficient.... no need for a fan.
 
space for cable management behind the mobo tray would be amazing. the minicube does it (i know 19L vs 12L) but if its reasonable i would be all for it, i know SMALL form factor is the key
 
Lurker here.

I check back on this thread every week or so to see if this thing is for sale. I got cash and I'd like to do a Haswell build in one of them within the next few months.
 
Just a suggestion (don't get mad)
holeycheese.jpg


Make it symmetrically holey on both sides.
Pros: improve ventilation
Cons: spoil clean look and make side panels more flexy
Rename case to [H]oleyCheese! :p
 
Speaking as a layman... Wouldn't that amazingly increase the air pressure required to have a positive air pressure case? My simple understanding is that you would need to pump a ton more air if there's that many more holes (on both sides).

I like the idea of having the PSU sucking air from outside and I love the idea of having cable mgmt room behind the board though.

edit:// I'm assuming that red highlighted marque would apply to the opposite case wall as well.
 
quick question. if i am using dual slot card and an itx mobo, is thereanything i can do woth thatextra pcie slot
 
http://www.amazon.com/**********-PCI25-1S-2-5inch-Expand-Frame/dp/B00A5H7DSA

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Have been following this for a bit (backed on indiegogo) and just got signed up to the forums.

I'm sure this has been mentioned and I'm just overlooking this, for that I apologize.

I'm trying to figure out the tallest card that will fit. I just purchased an ASUS GTX660 with the dimensions of: 10.2" x 5.2" (132.08mm) x 1.5" . Napkin math states it should fit, won't have fan in the way right?


I know the case is 160mm tall (6.299"?) and some were saying it most likely wouldn't fit that ichill gtx titan accelero hybrid that was being asked about some pages back.

The Stat Page I found for it shows:
Standard Graphics Card Dimensions:
Length 266mm
Height 111mm
 
Phuncz said:
http://www.amazon.com/**********-PCI25-1S-2-5inch-Expand-Frame/dp/B00A5H7DSA

m7DzAso.jpg
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Neat, though it's a bit redundant with the bottom 2.5" mounts in the case.

Iam918 said:
Have been following this for a bit (backed on indiegogo) and just got signed up to the forums.

I'm sure this has been mentioned and I'm just overlooking this, for that I apologize.

I'm trying to figure out the tallest card that will fit. I just purchased an ASUS GTX660 with the dimensions of: 10.2" x 5.2" (132.08mm) x 1.5" . Napkin math states it should fit, won't have fan in the way right?


I know the case is 160mm tall (6.299"?) and some were saying it most likely wouldn't fit that ichill gtx titan accelero hybrid that was being asked about some pages back.

The Stat Page I found for it shows:
Standard Graphics Card Dimensions:
Length 266mm
Height 111mm
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Judging by this pic (from here) the PCB is actually standard height - it's just the heatpipes that hang out past the edge. The M1 has 140mm for the card in total, so 132mm is fine. The concern would be if the PCB were 132mm, as in that case it wouldn't leave enough for the power connectors. So this card shouldn't have a problem fitting.
 
Thank you. :cool:

Necere said:
Judging by this pic (from here) the PCB is actually standard height - it's just the heatpipes that hang out past the edge. The M1 has 140mm for the card in total, so 132mm is fine. The concern would be if the PCB were 132mm, as in that case it wouldn't leave enough for the power connectors. So this card shouldn't have a problem fitting.
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Is the swiftech h220 discontinued? That's what I'm seeing on newegg, and can't seem to find it anywhere else

Is the regular price for it ~$130-150?
 
Siba said:
Is the swiftech h220 discontinued? That's what I'm seeing on newegg, and can't seem to find it anywhere else

Is the regular price for it ~$130-150?
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Nah, it's barely been out a month. The demand has just been a bit more than Swiftech anticipated and it goes OOS quickly. Check one of the other sites Swiftech lists in the 'where to buy' on their site. Looks like Sidewinder has them in stock right now.
 
The Swiftech H220 is not that easily available where I live, or I have to pay a nice premium to get it here. The Corsair H100i seems like a good enough alternative to not pay that 30% price premium, if it fits.
 
*Daedalus said:
How's the CPU+GPU water cooling testing going?
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I have not built that up yet. I may not get to it until this weekend. But thermal testing in that config isn't really critical.

I did do some fitment testing with the GPU block and fittings though - as you may recall w360 mentioned I had some concern about those having clearance between the block and the rad. The short of it is, I tried both barb fittings and compression fittings for 1/2" OD tubing, and only the barbs fit. So I've made some adjustments to the CAD file that will allow a bit more room for the final version.

I also have the Accelero+NH-C14 results and pics, which I'll post in a bit.
 
Necere said:
I have not built that up yet. I may not get to it until this weekend. But thermal testing in that config isn't really critical.

I did do some fitment testing with the GPU block and fittings though - as you may recall w360 mentioned I had some concern about those having clearance between the block and the rad. The short of it is, I tried both barb fittings and compression fittings for 1/2" OD tubing, and only the barbs fit. So I've made some adjustments to the CAD file that will allow a bit more room for the final version.

I also have the Accelero+NH-C14 results and pics, which I'll post in a bit.
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Cool... Thanks for the update Necere. Any idea if you're going to ventilate the case wall behind the motherboard on the production model?
 
crABtoad said:
Cool... Thanks for the update Necere. Any idea if you're going to ventilate the case wall behind the motherboard on the production model?
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That's what I'm leaning towards. The right side panel would be a mirror of the left, basically. It's extra time on the NCT machine, which = extra cost, but it seems warranted by the thermal testing. A height increase still does not, however.
 
Based on your impressions during thermal testing it sounds like it could improve the average case temperature...

Out of personal curiosity, what adapter did you use to get the Xonar card installed? I've been kicking around the idea of using one when I can fit it.
 
Ahhh... Right, I missed that. :rolleyes:

I've been trying to determine what the best mPCIE to PCIE adapter was. The only ones I know about are the hwtools PE4L adapter (which looks like a full size mPCIE card, not sure if you could cut it down), and the Amfeltec one I found about a year ago online.
 
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