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To change the axis of debate, can we make it 5mm WIDER?
I still really really want to go dual H80i.
I could care less about the 20mm vertically.
You see what happens when you start giving in to special demands, before you know it the case has the size of the prodigy because everyone wants to fit their own special hardware in there.
Necere should release results this wknd.
UPS will deliver WC parts tomorrow.
However, since the size came into doubt nobody can know for sure which is the best compromise. My suspicion is that there would be significant, measurable improvements in all build types, but variable benefit dependent on setup:
Hard data to back up or debunk the speculation would be compelling
- AIO water CPU only - probably least benefit since the rads are getting clean air anyway.
- water on CPU & GPU - better OCing potential and lower overall noise.
- standard / top down air cooling - substantial improvements to temps and noise.
- air cooling with short towers / NT01-PRO - very large improvement.
- 'silent' air cooled with single fan venting upwards (no side fans) - extremely large improvement.
Use these instead if the stock fans: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7...peed_D12SM-12C.html?tl=g36c15s771&id=VsU22yFN
Probably not as much pressure as stock but it will fit without increasing the foot print of the case.
You do realise that SFX is just smaller than ATX, nothing else changes ? It doesn't work differently, it's just more compact.FWIW, I think adding 20mm to the height of the case is worth it if it means adding more ATX PSU options. Even if SFX is more appropriate to highly optimized SFF builds the M1 was designed for, ATX is more familiar to builders (like me) who don't have as much experience with the smallest SFF builds. While I personally am willing to go SFX if necessary to build a machine in this case, I think more ATX PSU options will help attract more people to the production campaign.
I would argue that it's the direction and velocity of the airflow that makes the difference, not the pressure.
But you're using fans. So regardless of whether you're pulling more air through the case than you're pushing in (negative pressure situation) or vice versa, you're still forcing air (and the dust floating in that air) through the case. In either case, you're probably going to end up with the most dust at the point where the air is being pulled in, be that case vent holes or the inlet side of fans. If anyone could prove scientifically that one method ends up with significantly more dust in the case over time than the other, I'd be shocked.
I have to agree with you. I don't think the pressure matters diddly squat, it's the direction and where the air flows. I could see you getting different airflow and turbulence patterns with the air going one way vs the other, and that could make a difference. In terms of physics, positive pressure has more ABILITY to remove heat as there is more air (in terms of mass) which means more capability to remove heat. However the difference, as you mention, is almost nothing.
However as far as dust with positive vs negative pressure I think the main difference is that with a positive pressure setup the air is only coming into the case at one point, where the fan is. In that case you can go ahead and put a filter on the fan and stop the dust there. Where as with a negative setup air is coming in every nook and cranny, and you can't really filter it all very easily. Besides that, though, I doubt there is much difference in terms of dust.
This shows it can make a difference, but again it more depends on setup and fan location... LINK
If I understand it correctly, we should prefer high-pressure fans inside our very small cases, because otherwise it won't reach the obstructed areas. And we want positive pressure in our case so our case doesn't become a slow vacuum cleaner.
I once had a negative pressure case that had PILES of dust, literally cones, forming at some small openings. Just remember that fan filters block some % of air-flow, so if you use them, be sure to calculate and test the right setup.
I want this case so badly . I check this thread at least once a day for any updates. Anyone else addicted to this case?
You do realise that SFX is just smaller than ATX, nothing else changes ? It doesn't work differently, it's just more compact.
Thanks for the porn. I have the Powercolor 7870 blower style and it's loud under load. I heard that the Nvidia 600 series blower are less noisy.
I woinder if one or two fans at the bottom will improve GPU temps.
It seems to me as long as the GPU has access to a nearby source of cooler air, it doesn't much matter how fast that air is moving towards it - at least in the case of a blower-style cooler. It'll get the air it needs regardless.
Sorry, I can't say. Somewhere between 10 and 20 pounds, I'd guess.This might be a weird question, but could you tell us approximately how heavy a built system is?
If you:Do you expect that we'll be able to fit a 120mm single rad in the bottom front of the case? Assuming you're using a SFX PSU and a short GPU like the GTX 660 and 670? Or will there be clearance issues with the motherboard?
well how are y'all planning to integrate a discrete sound card into your systems?
well how are y'all planning to integrate a discrete sound card into your systems?
around the graphics card and underneath the where the card would be (assuming it would be mounted on the 3rd expansion slot of the case.)
around, below, past, whatever, even off the opposite edge of the mobo and underneath - whichever way works!Around ? Why would you route around the card ? Bellow is where most will route that ribbon cable. You got place in front and behind the PCI-E slot.
Yes. Doing that now in fact: NH-C14 + Accelero Xtreme on the 7970.Necere, are you planning on doing an air only thermals test with the Noctua NH-C14 you originally showed us fitting in?
Well, it's more of a value model, with the features to match. It's only $40 up on Newegg. In its favor, it 1.) has the CPU socket located away from the PCIe slot, 2.) has some overclocking options (though I didn't investigate them), 3.) has an extra PCIe slot, 4.) didn't give me any problems.How do you like the ECS mobo?
Quite likely. I mean, we'll see new MDTX boards continue to trickle out. Will we ever see high-end MDTX boards is the real question.What are the chances of new mini-DTX boards being released?