AMD Radeon HD 78xx Press Deck leaks

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Nice of them to compare to the card that I have (570), but even if I take +40% average at face value, it's not a compelling upgrade unless the price is REALLY good, which judging by the pricing of the 79xx series, it won't be.
 
One speculated pricing bracket said the 7870 is $400 and the 7850 is $300. Prices would be fine with me if they were knocked off $50 and out perform the last gen 6900s. A $130 price gap between all those is too much in my opinion (7700 -> 7850). A few bench marks showed the 7870 within a few FPS of the 7950 as well. This will be a good buy I think if priced correctly.
 
The SP counts are a bit disappointing, but those performance charts look to be pretty good still even for them having less SP than originally thought.

COME ON REVIEWS AND PRICING INFO!!

I like that the 7850 looks to be a shorter card.. that'd keep me from having to hack up my case to fit a larger card.
 
R3MF said:
anyone know if trinity will come with PCIe 3.0?
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Are you looking to run this GPU with a trinity CPU? That doesn't sound like a good configuration to me at all. Regardless no AMD motherboards are going to have PCI-e 3.0 according to the current road maps in the foreseeable future. There isn't a difference between 2.0 and 3.0 performance wise anyway.
 
AMD compares the 7870 to NVidia's 570 and the 7850 to the 560 Ti. So that tells us where they see the competition and also indicates the pricing that we have to expect.

570's go for ~$330AR on Newegg, 560 Ti 2GB is ~$250AR.
 
Press deck benchmarks would be more reputable (and useful) if they were comparisons vs. their own previous GPUs.
 
now we just need the successors to the560 Ti and 570 to bring prices down so I can pick one up
 
"Enthusiasts Who Bought a GPU Two Years: It's Time to Upgrade"

Did they not have room for the "Ago", or could they not afford an actual native English speaker to review the slides for them?
 
Forceman said:
"Enthusiasts Who Bought a GPU Two Years: It's Time to Upgrade"

Did they not have room for the "Ago", or could they not afford an actual native English speaker to review the slides for them?
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Haha. What, you don't like Engrish? :D
 
Forceman said:
"Enthusiasts Who Bought a GPU Two Years: It's Time to Upgrade"

Did they not have room for the "Ago", or could they not afford an actual native English speaker to review the slides for them?
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Good point. Why do people think they can butcher language and get away with it? I sometimes think I could make a living just grammar-checking all the tech websites (like XBit Labs - one of the worst offenders).
 
What I find more interesting, is that they are comparing the 78xx series to the 58xx series, which, in my opinion, means that they are close in terms of performance??


Ian
 
Forceman said:
"Enthusiasts Who Bought a GPU Two Years: It's Time to Upgrade"

Did they not have room for the "Ago", or could they not afford an actual native English speaker to review the slides for them?
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That's what happens when you fire your marketing department. I'm surprised this wasn't done in paint.
 
Children, you can discuss grammar and continue your critique of a marketing slide using your arm chair university degree expertise in your own thread. :)

Now, some leaked benches: http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9193514&postcount=195

BF3 1920*1080 4MSAA-FXAA Ultra

7950 36.7fps
7870 35.9fps
GTX570 35.5fps
6970 32.5fps
7850 30.1fps
6950 28.6fps

Crysis 2 1920*1080 Ingame AA Max Detail DX11

7950 43.5fps
7870 39fps
GTX570 36.2fps
6970 33.1fps
7850 32.4fps
6950 29.9fps
 
Lorien said:
Children, you can discuss grammar and continue your critique of a marketing slide using your arm chair university degree expertise in your own thread. :)

Now, some leaked benches: http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9193514&postcount=195

BF3 1920*1080 4MSAA-FXAA Ultra

7950 36.7fps
7870 35.9fps
GTX570 35.5fps
6970 32.5fps
7850 30.1fps
6950 28.6fps

Crysis 2 1920*1080 Ingame AA Max Detail DX11

7950 43.5fps
7870 39fps
GTX570 36.2fps
6970 33.1fps
7850 32.4fps
6950 29.9fps
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Those numbers look way off. I have only checked the 7950 but most sites get that over 50fps in BF3 at 1920x1200, an even higher resolution.
Same with Crysis 2, HD7950 closer to 55fps at 1920x1200.
 
^ do you know the scene? There are a million ways to benchmark a game, you know...
This is from PCGH and they use their own savegames
 
Wolfkin said:
Those numbers look way off. I have only checked the 7950 but most sites get that over 50fps in BF3 at 1920x1200, an even higher resolution.
Same with Crysis 2, HD7950 closer to 55fps at 1920x1200.
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Does this have to be explained every time? Cards are tested differently in nearly every review when they benchmark games. Some could just stand still facing one spot in a demanding area, another review could do a full benchmark play through exposing everything.

The only way to compare cards in a realistic sense is to have a graph of a very long benchmark such as Crysis benchmark tool. Then you know the actual speeds of the cards at any given moment. Extrapolating average fps doesn't really tell you much when it could be 5 fps under the 7950 but have a horrible minimum fps in certain areas.
 
Epic thread Lorien thanks for posting this up.

I'm predicting the 7870 is going to hit at about $350 and the 7850 is going to hit at $250. AMD needs something to fill out the midrange, and charging $400 isn't going to fly IMO.
 
Lorien said:
Children, you can discuss grammar and continue your critique of a marketing slide using your arm chair university degree expertise in your own thread. :)
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Or, since you're not our dad, how about we discuss whatever we want in whatever thread we choose. :)
 
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xBanzai89 said:
One speculated pricing bracket said the 7870 is $400 and the 7850 is $300.
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Doesn't seem to make sense for the price spread to be that big. Look at the transistor counts of both chips, they're either salvage parts from the 7970 or the 7850 is a salvage part from the 7870. Bandwidth is the same so the bus width is the same between parts too and the memory chips are the same as well. Voltage regulation might be different but not different enough to justify that sort of price difference.

Its more reasonable to expect the 7870 to be around $400 and the 7850 to be around $350 based on this info.

xBanzai89 said:
Prices would be fine with me if they were knocked off $50 and out perform the last gen 6900s.
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IMO I think AMD should knock $50 off their new 7xxx parts and drop the 69xx parts by at least $70. I sort of understand why they're pricing their stuff the way they are now given what the competition has to offer, but still, it is kinda annoying that its so high.
 
mesyn191 said:
Its more reasonable to expect the 7870 to be around $400 and the 7850 to be around $350 based on this info.

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doesn't seem reasonable to me. why would you spend $400 on a 7870 if you could get a much better card for ~$50 more?
 
I'm looking to upgrade from my GTX 560 ti 448 with a 28nm GPU that offers at least 30% improvement and doesn't cost more than $299. The HD 7870 may possibly be able to do this.
 
R3MF said:
anyone know if trinity will come with PCIe 3.0?
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probably not and there is no reason to do so. trinity is an APU and thus designed to use the onboard igp. there's no point in having pci-e 3.0 with it and no pile driver won't be using pci-e 3.0 either. the cost to add pci-e 3.0 out ways the benefit of having it by a large margin. maybe in 2-3 years pci-e 3.0 will actually show its usefulness but for now its just another sales gimmick.

mesyn191 said:
Doesn't seem to make sense for the price spread to be that big. Look at the transistor counts of both chips, they're either salvage parts from the 7970 or the 7850 is a salvage part from the 7870. Bandwidth is the same so the bus width is the same between parts too and the memory chips are the same as well. Voltage regulation might be different but not different enough to justify that sort of price difference.

Its more reasonable to expect the 7870 to be around $400 and the 7850 to be around $350 based on this info.


IMO I think AMD should knock $50 off their new 7xxx parts and drop the 69xx parts by at least $70. I sort of understand why they're pricing their stuff the way they are now given what the competition has to offer, but still, it is kinda annoying that its so high.
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while i agree that the lack of competition from nvidia has basically allowed AMD to price the 7k series where ever they want, it has been explained by a few people now that the reason for the pricing isn't totally because of AMD trying to make a larger profit. TSMC is over charging the hell out of their 28nm production which in turn is being payed for by the consumer. don't expect Nvidia to actually undercut AMD's pricing. all the speculated 300 dollar or lower pricing from nvidia is a bunch of fud. i wouldn't be surprised if kepler is priced considerably higher due to the issues TSMC and Nvidia have been having with 28nm yields. some one has to pay that extra cost and it sure as heck won't be Nvidia foot that bill, its just how business works. the advantage here though is that AMD will more then likely be able to cover their costs by the time kepler actually releases and will be able to drop prices considerably if Nvidia even attempts to undercut them.
 
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andrewbub said:
doesn't seem reasonable to me. why would you spend $400 on a 7870 if you could get a much better card for ~$50 more?
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To add to that: it also doesn't make sense for the 7950 1.5gb and 7890 to be released to fit a tiny $400 -450 price window.
 
If they're comparing it to a GTX 570, it should cost $299. Otherwise I'm not sure what they're getting at.
 
Mr. K6 said:
If they're comparing it to a GTX 570, it should cost $299. Otherwise I'm not sure what they're getting at.
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If it is 1.4x a GTX 570 (for the 7870) then they ought to be comparing it to a GTX 580. I don't think the GTX 580 is that much faster than a GTX 570.
 
Forceman said:
If it is 1.4x a GTX 570 (for the 7870) then they ought to be comparing it to a GTX 580. I don't think the GTX 580 is that much faster than a GTX 570.
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Well then that begs the question, why didn't they compare it to a GTX 580? I don't know, but I do find it interesting as well. My guess is with the 7950 only being a bit faster than the GTX 580, the 7870 will be a bit less than the GTX 580.
 
Mr. K6 said:
Well then that begs the question, why didn't they compare it to a GTX 580? I don't know, but I do find it interesting as well. My guess is with the 7950 only being a bit faster than the GTX 580, the 7870 will be a bit less than the GTX 580.
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I could see them pricing the 7870 at $349, and the 7850 at $299.

Thats just my opinion.
 
DASHlT said:
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Lorien you seen this slide by any chance? Saw this in another forum.
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Yes I did, I do not think it is real which is why I didn't make a post about it. But yeah, a hypothetical 36CUs @1Ghz chip gives you exactly 4.5TFLOPS and that also lines up with the Sapphire product spec sheet where a 2304 SP card was planned. Then again it could be a very well done fake.

chithanh said:
You could have linked the forum post and credited the author, or are you ashamed of admitting which forum you read?
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I saw it a beyond3d myself which linked to the Semiaccurate post.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1624570&postcount=158
 
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Mr. K6 said:
Well then that begs the question, why didn't they compare it to a GTX 580? I don't know, but I do find it interesting as well. My guess is with the 7950 only being a bit faster than the GTX 580, the 7870 will be a bit less than the GTX 580.
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It seems awfully close to 7950 performance, based on the numbers in the slides. Hard to see how they are going to fit them in price-wise. A $349 7870 would make a 7950 look foolishly overpriced.
 
I bet $349 is what AMD planned to release the 7870 at thinking that Nvidia would have some kind of competition in the marketplace by now.
 
Forceman said:
If it is 1.4x a GTX 570 (for the 7870) then they ought to be comparing it to a GTX 580. I don't think the GTX 580 is that much faster than a GTX 570.
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a gtx580 is only 15-20% faster than the gtx570. if a 7870 is 1.4 times faster than the gtx570 then that makes it 20-25% faster than the gtx580. um even a 7970 is only 20-25% faster than a gtx580. :confused:
 
cannondale06 said:
a gtx580 is only 15-20% faster than the gtx570. if a 7870 is 1.4 times faster than the gtx570 then that makes it 20-25% faster than the gtx580. um even a 7970 is only 20-25% faster than a gtx580. :confused:
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Well, those are marketing numbers, so figure you can probably lop 20% right off the top. It still seems too close to the 7950 though.
 
Forceman said:
Well, those are marketing numbers, so figure you can probably lop 20% right off the top. It still seems too close to the 7950 though.
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yes if you look at the specs though it will be very close to the 7950. the 7950 has no more than a 12% advantage over the 7870 on any metric and in fact the 7870 has 25% more pixel fill rate than the 7950.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
probably not and there is no reason to do so. trinity is an APU and thus designed to use the onboard igp. there's no point in having pci-e 3.0 with it and no pile driver won't be using pci-e 3.0 either. the cost to add pci-e 3.0 out ways the benefit of having it by a large margin. maybe in 2-3 years pci-e 3.0 will actually show its usefulness but for now its just another sales gimmick.
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pcper seem to think pcie3 is likely if only because FM2 is their forward looking platform:

http://pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-Updates-FX-Line-Some-Thoughts-Future-Moves-AMD
"With AMD’s push for APUs, I would expect the upcoming Trinity parts to introduce PCI-E 3.0. AMD also looks like they will start funneling the enthusiasts towards FM2 platforms and Trinity based parts."
 
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