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They make more money off Bulldozer. Die is smaller, manufacturing tech is smaller, and current selling prices are higher. I'm sure we'll see Bulldozer prices drop as Thuban and Deneb sells out.
Why buy a BD when the X6 series pretty much equals it for half-price (well...Not exactly half price)?
The X6 wont do 4.2+ GHz at stock voltage, and the FX-6100 is $160.
The X6 wont do 4.2+ GHz at stock voltage, and the FX-6100 is $160.
The FX-6100 sucks.
It doesn't matter about overclocking the FX processors because their performance is so poor anyway they just don't scale up well at all.
I'm FX ready mobo wise not a hope in hell I'm going near the train wreck they call bulldozer.
Prices are bad anyway FX isn't worth the outlay.
A massive revision with far better performance and lower power consumption..maybe we'll see. To date FX= Epic fail
So basically the AMD upgrade path for Thuban is:
1) Scalp your Thuban for as much as possible
2) Buy an 2500k?
So basically the AMD upgrade path for Thuban is:
1) Scalp your Thuban for as much as possible
2) Buy an 2500k?
Pretty much. Ive thought about sticking with FX by getting a new motherboard and 8120 as that way Id have a much better chance of not having to reinstall Windows and/or buy another copy. But about the time I decide thats the way to go, I start reading benchmarks and seeing these things being equaled and downright outperformed by my current X6. So I think Ill eventually end up with an Intel setup for the first time in 10 years.
This is the way to look at it from a performance perspective.
4100 = 3 core
6100 = 4 core
8100 = 6 core
Not literally speaking. Just looking at it from a performance standpoint.
Also the BD architecture isn't being used correctly. Not Microsoft's fault. The way it works is since the cores are labeled as cores, they are treated as equal cores. So the OS assigns processes similar to this. Cores order is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 when AMD wanted it to be 1,3,5,7,2,4,6,8. The second core in each module only runs at about 80%. So with Windows 8 it is partially fixed right now in BETA. They speculate a 5-10% increase with proper core utilization. I would lean more toward the 5%. Now with Piledriver coming up, it is speculated there will be a 10-15% improvement over BD.
The real question is...is that a 10-15% over current BD on win7 or on win8. If it is on win8 and you take the minimum on both then you will be looking at a minimum of a 15% over current BD. That sound pretty good to me and worth waiting to see how it compares to ivy bridge.
Again those figures are speculation. But there has been win8 testing with BD and there has been a decent performance increase. You can Google that. so once win8 us done it may be closer to the 10% they were talking about.
Just some food for thought.
Not literally speaking. Just looking at it from a performance standpoint.
Also the BD architecture isn't being used correctly. Not Microsoft's fault. The way it works is since the cores are labeled as cores, they are treated as equal cores. So the OS assigns processes similar to this. Cores order is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 when AMD wanted it to be 1,3,5,7,2,4,6,8. The second core in each module only runs at about 80%. So with Windows 8 it is partially fixed right now in BETA. They speculate a 5-10% increase with proper core utilization. I would lean more toward the 5%. Now with Piledriver coming up, it is speculated there will be a 10-15% improvement over BD.
5-10% maybe if you find some ultra specialistic benchmark. People tested BD with 4 half-cores disabled using only 4 non-shared ones and gains were nowhere near 5-10%.
AMD is painting themselves into a corner by discontinuing the Thubans IMO. There is still money to be made on them. Glad I got my 945 and 1090T when I did.
They should bring out a 32nm version of thuban
This!
With two more cores and a corresponding bump in cache.
Get it through your heads already, it's not going to happen.
I know, but after seeing Bulldozer, it's what a lot of people wished would have happened.