AMD "Bulldozer" FX Model 8150 CPU Overclocking Preview @ [H]

dr.kevin said:
so, what time does the nda get lifted ?

Will [H] drop the review at midnight ?
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The time (and date) the NDA gets lifted is under NDA :p

As far as I know, October 12th is nothing but a rumor. We may or may not see anything tomorrow :p
 
the leaked or preview benchmarks i've seen show BD being slower than a 2600k in games and things like wprime etc, but very competitive in things like cinebench.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
thats funny.. because my 30 dollar biostar board destroyed my 140 dollar (considered top of the line motherboard) asus m2n-sli deluxe with a processor that biostar board was never even meant to support but it did.

if you do your research and know what you are buying you can get away with low/mid range boards that out perform even the high end boards. so no you don't always need a high end board for a high end processor. just don't go out there and buy some piece of crap board and expect it to be the great motherboard ever built.
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QFT. I've spent good money on expensive motherboards only to find that a cheaper motherboard overclocks just as well. Personally, I don't need all the fancy bullshit that comes on expensive boards. Rarely do I run SLI/Xfire, USB3.0 I could care less about right now. I game. My money is better spent on a good GPU, PSU, cooling and RAM. So long as a cheaper mobo overclocks well all the fluff is, well, fluff. Case in point the cheap Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 mobo overclocked a 965BE just as good as my neighbors Crosshair V. I spent $130, he spent over $300.

I bought another UD3 for a BD build. It's a good board for a good price.
 
Zarathustra[H];1037864968 said:
The time (and date) the NDA gets lifted is under NDA :p

As far as I know, October 12th is nothing but a rumor. We may or may not see anything tomorrow :p
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I really don't get why AMD is so secretive about the launch date. I don't buy their crap about people knowing the date would cannibalize sales - the people who know about processors know it is coming soon, and the people who don't know wouldn't care anyway. Why not at least annouce the launch date like Intel does?
 
Forceman said:
I really don't get why AMD is so secretive about the launch date. I don't buy their crap about people knowing the date would cannibalize sales - the people who know about processors know it is coming soon, and the people who don't know wouldn't care anyway. Why not at least annouce the launch date like Intel does?
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Because AMD marketing is retarded. They have NO idea how many people have stopped waiting and went Intel because there is no point in waiting.
 
Forceman said:
I really don't get why AMD is so secretive about the launch date. I don't buy their crap about people knowing the date would cannibalize sales - the people who know about processors know it is coming soon, and the people who don't know wouldn't care anyway. Why not at least annouce the launch date like Intel does?
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I think its because their design had problems and they are rushing all of this stuff last minute.

They have been burned before by guessing at a launch date, missing it, and then facing wrath from the internetz..

I think they'd rather be vague now that they are off schedule and are dealing with a lot of surprises so they can avoid doing that again.
 
Zarathustra[H];1037866727 said:
I think its because their design had problems and they are rushing all of this stuff last minute.

They have been burned before by guessing at a launch date, missing it, and then facing wrath from the internetz..

I think they'd rather be vague now that they are off schedule and are dealing with a lot of surprises so they can avoid doing that again.
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Think about it...If BD was that good they would have paper launched it 6 months ago no matter how low the yields were.
 
has there been any word of a "octo-core" optimizer? (like the dual core optimizer days)
 
Leadsled said:
This is like comparing drag racing, to Gand Prix racing what would you sooner have something that lasts 4 seconds and only drive in a straight line or something that will turn corners and give you thills over and over.
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I like drag racing... yanking the wheels on a launch is more fun than turning corners.
 
fps4ever said:
Think about it...If BD was that good they would have paper launched it 6 months ago no matter how low the yields were.
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and kill the sales of their current chips, tip off the competition to what they have?

Sure, sounds like a reduction of sales, and giving your competition(which has more R&D budget then AMD is worth) time to respond are ideal actions for a company trying to make money.
 
I have seen one Canadian retailer with an ETA of this Friday for stock of all BD CPU's. So my guess is it will be from tomorrow up until Friday, those are the error bars I am sticking with.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
and kill the sales of their current chips, tip off the competition to what they have?

Sure, sounds like a reduction of sales, and giving your competition(which has more R&D budget then AMD is worth) time to respond are ideal actions for a company trying to make money.
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Seems to work for Intel...not so much of a paper launch as early benchmark results. I bet they would have "leaked" some benchmarks ahead of time if it was a core i7 killer. ;)

AMD has had nothing to lose this past year as the phenom architecture is pretty old. And kill what sales exactly?
 
fps4ever said:
Seems to work for Intel...not so much of a paper launch as early benchmark results. I bet they would have "leaked" some benchmarks ahead of time if it was a core i7 killer. ;)
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that's because Intel doesn't have to worry about AMD magically figuring out a way to trump intels next chip up when it's already so far behind it's 4 year old chips.

both the 5xxx series and 6xxx series had no leaks either, and both turned out pretty damn good.
 
fps4ever said:
Seems to work for Intel...not so much of a paper launch as early benchmark results. I bet they would have "leaked" some benchmarks ahead of time if it was a core i7 killer. ;)

AMD has had nothing to lose this past year as the phenom architecture is pretty old. And kill what sales exactly?
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It's because Intel has nothing to lose. They can afford to take a hit in sales from the Osborne Effect if they leak out details of their product. People will still continue to buy their product no matter what because there is still a high demand for them. AMD won't leak info because if they do, they will lose sales. AMD is so close to getting out of the red and losing sales as it is, they can't afford to lose any. Granted, they are losing sales regardless due to the delays, but that can't be helped. Lost sales due to leaks they can control. If AMD was in Intel's lead position in the market, I imagine they would leak info too.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
that's because Intel doesn't have to worry about AMD magically figuring out a way to trump intels next chip up when it's already so far behind it's 4 year old chips.

both the 5xxx series and 6xxx series had no leaks either, and both turned out pretty damn good.
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Were talking about AMD cpu's, not ATI here. Yes they are the same but those were ATI engineers that worked on those cards....big difference in my book.

I see you still have hope, good for you! :)

Everyone keeps telling me lost sales but OEM's, retailers and customers have been waiting 6+ months for this cpu so that doesn't make sense???? Heck how long have we had new BD capable mobo's.
 
fps4ever said:
Everyone keeps telling me lost sales but OEM's, retailers and customers have been waiting 6+ months for this cpu so that doesn't make sense????
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I explained it all in great detail here:
CaptNumbNutz said:
Company A has 80% of market, has high demand for their products, and is sitting on plenty of cash reserves. They announce a new product, the SexontheBeach Blowjob Edition, that will be better than their previous product and will for sure come out in 6 months to the day. The sales of their current Lickadicks drop a statistically significant amount leading up to the release of the new product, but people still need Lickadicks and product still ships. Revenue for that time period drops a significant amount, but not enough to put the company in the red.

Company B has 20% of market, has high demand for their products, but has little to no cash reserves and/or paying off debt. They announce a new product, 8PornstarOrgy Charlie Sheen Edition, that could be as awesome as its namesake after 2 pounds of cocaine or crash just as hard. If they announce launch date now, their sales will drop on their current line of Thaihookers that are cheap and get the job done because customers suddenly know exactly when the possibly awesome 8PornstarOrgy will replace the mediocre Thaihookers. They also have second option of buying from Company A if the 8PornstarOrgy product doesn't pan out. Any statistical drop in sales could put them in the red since they are so close to it anyways and lead to domino effect of blue-balled investors taking their money elsewhere to get their happy endings. Best choice for Company B is to sell as many Thaihookers as possible to keep the company in black until they release the 8PornstarOrgy.
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fps4ever said:
Were talking about AMD cpu's, not ATI here. Yes they are the same but those were ATI engineers that worked on those cards....big difference in my book.

I see you still have hope, good for you! :)

Everyone keeps telling me lost sales but OEM's, retailers and customers have been waiting 6+ months for this cpu so that doesn't make sense???? Heck how long have we had new BD capable mobo's.
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Same company now, both under the same executive leadership.(or lack there of)
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
and kill the sales of their current chips, tip off the competition to what they have?
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Six months wouldn't really be enough time for Intel to do anything drastic. They might released a higher clocked part or something, but they have plenty of headroom there so even now it wouldn't take long for Intel to do so. We see now with Ivy Bridge that Intel's mid-term goals focus on GPU and not CPU performance anyway.

I still don't buy the whole "kill sales" spiel. AMD's executives had no problems telling their customers on June 1 that their high end enthusiast and server lineup was going to be obsoleted in 90 days at the latest. AMD has no problem giving you advanced warning that they are about to obsolete the products they're currently selling. How did it affect their sales? I bet it didn't make a dent.

I'm sorry, but I don't think even AMD believes that the famed Osborne Effect is going to kill them. Instead, the likely reason AMD doesn't give an exact release date is that the executives are looking to limit liabilities from their shareholders and, frankly, cover their butts.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
It's because Intel has nothing to lose. They can afford to take a hit in sales from the Osborne Effect if they leak out details of their product. People will still continue to buy their product no matter what because there is still a high demand for them. AMD won't leak info because if they do, they will lose sales. AMD is so close to getting out of the red and losing sales as it is, they can't afford to lose any. Granted, they are losing sales regardless due to the delays, but that can't be helped. Lost sales due to leaks they can control. If AMD was in Intel's lead position in the market, I imagine they would leak info too.
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On the flip side, AMD has been getting their butt handed to them since February when SB shipped (is anyone recommending AMD any longer?) and if they had something that was able to compete effectively, you'd have to be at least tempted to leak something in the hopes that at least the undecideds might wait instead of buying Intel.

I'm sure their OEM plan involves slapping a big 8-core sticker on boxes and hope the "bigger number means better" crowd buys them, but those folks don't know about upcoming chips anyway, so it's not like announcing a future part is going to dent those sales. Bottom-line, I find it hard to believe that the complete lack of information about an upcoming chip is actually helping them with sales of current underperforming chips.
 
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