Couple Sells Kids to Play Online Games

LeninGHOLA said:
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Hopefully you were joking about the compulsory abortion. That's distasteful.
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Yeah...

dook43 said:
Godless societies produce this kind of behavior. "Didn't know it was against the law"... and obviously didn't feel any compunction about either leaving a newborn home alone or selling the kids.
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What does god have to do with it? There are plenty of shitty people that believe.

There are far more religious people in prison than in the National Academy of Sciences. I know which of the two groups I'd rather spend more time with. (IIRC the rates are >99% religious in prison, >90% non-religious among the members of the National Academy of Sciences)
 
I thought chinese were only allowed to have one kid without paying massive fines.
 
dook43 said:
Godless societies produce this kind of behavior. "Didn't know it was against the law"... and obviously didn't feel any compunction about either leaving a newborn home alone or selling the kids.
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Right because if China had huge load of churches and freedom of religion then this would have never happened :rolleyes:
 
And to add to that a good "God fearing" country like the US doesn't ever have these horrible acts right?

Why don't you tell that to people who find dumpster babies on a daily basis around the US.
 
Yet more proof that the Chinese hold little regard for human life.
 
Meh,

If they "sold" their kids to adoptive families unable to have their own, it doesn't seem quite so bad.

They could even be considered as providing a vital service for those with fertility problems (for which they want to collect a fee :p )

When you phrase it as "selling your children" it sounds a lot worse than when you phrase it as "compensated adoption".

In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't seem so bad, and seems a lot better than the kids being raised by these two, who "Days after his birth, they left him home alone while they went to play online games at an Internet cafe 30 km away."

I sometimes wish it were legal to sell kids :p

Here's a word of advice.

At some point many of you will likely get married. You're wife might tell you how much she wants a child, and you might think "yeah, alright, after all that's what married people do". I warn you don't do it. Whether you get married or not, always use protection. Fuck, double up if you have to.

Children are the worst of all the sexually transmitted diseases.

Someone who has lived with a preteen or teenager who still willingly goes through and has children of their own must be a completely and totally dedicated masochist.

Having children will be the worst decision of your life.

Sure, people always talk about how they love their kids, and they couldn't imagine not having them. Don't believe a word of it. It's all bullshit which they feel guilted into saying so they don't feel like bad parents.

I don't care what you have to do. Lie, cheat, steal, live alone for the rest of your life... choose it. Choose anything over having a child. For your own good.

This will be your only warning (at least from me)
 
Zarathustra[H];1037560548 said:
Meh,

If they "sold" their kids to adoptive families unable to have their own, it doesn't seem quite so bad.

They could even be considered as providing a vital service for those with fertility problems (for which they want to collect a fee :p )

When you phrase it as "selling your children" it sounds a lot worse than when you phrase it as "compensated adoption".

In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't seem so bad, and seems a lot better than the kids being raised by these two, who "Days after his birth, they left him home alone while they went to play online games at an Internet cafe 30 km away."

I sometimes wish it were legal to sell kids :p

Here's a word of advice.

At some point many of you will likely get married. You're wife might tell you how much she wants a child, and you might think "yeah, alright, after all that's what married people do". I warn you don't do it. Whether you get married or not, always use protection. Fuck, double up if you have to.

Children are the worst of all the sexually transmitted diseases.

Someone who has lived with a preteen or teenager who still willingly goes through and has children of their own must be a completely and totally dedicated masochist.

Having children will be the worst decision of your life.

Sure, people always talk about how they love their kids, and they couldn't imagine not having them. Don't believe a word of it. It's all bullshit which they feel guilted into saying so they don't feel like bad parents.

I don't care what you have to do. Lie, cheat, steal, live alone for the rest of your life... choose it. Choose anything over having a child. For your own good.

This will be your only warning (at least from me)
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This post is so much win!
 
cdr_74_premium said:
Zarathustra[H], care to elaborate? why?!
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If you like giving up your entire life, all your aspirations, any hobby you may have ever had, your physique, losing your mind, having everything nice you ever owned either ruined or locked away somewhere "safe" where it can't be used, have your personal finances absolutely and totally destroyed, then sure, have kids.

When they are young, there is a lot of care taking and cuteness that almost makes up for the lack of sleep/life/money.

Once they hit ~12 or so, all the cuteness is gone, and they inevitably turn into evil little spiteful monsters who wouldn't be worth being around if all you had to do was put up with them, even if there were no cost involved. (monetary, frustration, damage or otherwise.) If you are lucky, by 18 or 19 most of this has subsided. If you are unlucky, it lasts through age 25.

Either way, through all stages of their lives they turn you into a maid who cleans up after them, puts up with their disgusting shit, cooks for them, and pays for expensive activities that kids supposedly need to do (hockey/football/braces whatever)

A life with kids looks like this:

Weekday:
Get up go to work, come home. Clean a little. Yell at kids to clean up after themselves. Yell some more. Threaten to set the PS3 on fire if they don't clean up after themselves. Fail at getting them to do anything. In frustration just do it yourself cause it's easier. Cook food.Yell at them some more to clean up after themselves. Finally get them to realize that you actually will take away the games if they don't do what they are told. Get a quick 30 second bullshit half assed job out of them and have them top what they are supposed to be doing as soon as you aren't watching. yell some more. Find out that the homework that was supposed to be done right after school hasn't been done yet. Finally take the power cord to the PS3 so they can't go back on, and make them do their damned homework. Send them to bed. "but I need to shower..." a hour and a half later when you realize the hot water is still running in the shower, yell at them about how oil costs money and show them the $800 oil bill.

Finally, quiet time. Clean up the kitchen and living room quickly so that its not a mess. Find stuff they did after school (but before you got home from work) that absolutely infuriates you. (lollipop/sandwich/soda under couch cushions, expensive frozen meal bought as snacks for them they can microwave themselves when you are not home, heated up, one bite taken and then the rest thrown in the sink. Mop up muddy footprints all over the house. Finally kitchen and living room are no longer vomit inducing. Pay the bills, have a timeout drink, watch at most a half an hour of TV, go to bed. Grumble about how your room is a mess and you have no clothes to wear to work tomorrow because you are too busy cleaning up after other people to take care of your own shit.

Summary:
Waking up Showering/getting ready for work 1 hour
Commute: half an hour each way. 1 hr total
Work: 9 hours
Time spent yelling: 2 hours
Time spent cooking 1 hour
Time spent cleaning 3 hours
Other chores: 1 hour
Time spent on self 0.5 hours
Time spent sleeping 5.5 hours

Wake up, repeat.

Weekends are very similar. but with less of the work, and more of the catching up on cleaning and shopping chores you couldn't do during the week.

Oh, and you drive a 8 year old car with over 100K miles on the odometer, because the kids cost so much that even on a salary that would have impressed you back when you were in college, you can't seem to afford anything nice, and even if you could afford something nice, it wouldn't be worth it, because within a week, it would be all scratched up, and interior destroyed from the damned kids. Any money you had went to that $400k 800sq-ft closet of a house in the suburbs with the good school district, only to have the damned kids waste your money by not paying attention in the best public schools in the damned state.

The kids of course feel alienated and like your not giving them enough (even though they have their own gaming consoles and TV's to use them on and computers and ipods, etc.) because in order to get them into good schools you bought a house in the richest part of the state, and their classmates parents own restaurant chains, sports teams, and live in 6,000 sq ft mc mansions, and show up in a different brand new BMW every time you see them. You try to explain to them that you actually make pretty decent income and that the combined family income is in the top few percent nationwide, but they don't get it, because their frame o reference is way off. Since they feel outcast due to not having their own brand new Lexus at age 16 they only make friends with the real losers in school. Kids involved in drugs, smoking at age 12, etc.

If you are lucky you don't wind up having to frisk the little hoodlums to see if they have any cigarettes/alcohol/drugs and don't get visits from the local youth officer with reports of what they did in school or in the neighborhood.

Furthermore your performance at work starts to suffer as you are completely burnt out from dealing with the damned kids and never seem to get enough sleep. Even on vacations you don't get a damned break.

You come to forget how nice quiet time can be, and you have daydreams about the day they will FINALLY move out.

You think a pregnancy scare is frightening in highschool? Ha! It has nothing on the experience when you actually know what you'd be getting yourself into. The mere potential of seeing that light at the end of the tunnel when the kids finally move out, extended for another 20 years is enough to make even the strongest man want to blow his fucking brains out.

Essentially, when you have a child, your next 20 years are a complete and total disaster.

I have no children of my own, but I almost made the mistake of marrying my ex. who got married the first time very young, is a few years older than me had three kids from that previous marriage. For a couple of years we lived together.

This made me learn a lot of things
- I've learned that I would rather die alone than get into another relationship that involved children.
- I'd rather never see a child again for the rest of my life, if I had the choice.
- It's made me seriously consider getting a vasectomy.

I hope this helps explain.
 
Zarathustra[H];1037560758 said:
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I agree with all of this. My wife and I have been married almost eight years (been together 11!) and our life freaking rocks. We absolutely love taking care of our nephews and nieces for a few hours (doing all the really fun stuff like ice cream and taking them to parks to play in the fountains), but having six hours of free time a day is a luxury that my siblings won't experience for two more decades.
 
Like any rant, it looks like it has some typos, but I was typing it quickly.

Since we have no edit, let me see if I can fix the most egregious ones here.

Zarathustra[H];1037560758 said:
your physique
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explanation needed: You won't have time to exercise or go to the gym anymore.

Zarathustra[H];1037560758 said:
In frustration just do it yourself cause it's easier
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(easier than getting them to do anything, that is)


Zarathustra[H];1037560758 said:
Finally get them to realize that you actually will take away the games if they don't do what they are told. Get a quick 30 second bullshit half assed job out of them and have them top what they are supposed to be doing as soon as you aren't watching.
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That's supposed to be "Stop what they are supposed to be doing"

Zarathustra[H];1037560758 said:
Pay the bills, have a timeout drink, watch at most a half an hour of TV, go to bed. Grumble about how your room is a mess and you have no clothes to wear to work tomorrow because you are too busy cleaning up after other people to take care of your own shit.

I should add that your ~30 minutes of TV time is shortened by finding that the little pricks stole the batteries from the remote to use for something (probably Xbox controllers) and now you have to spend the little time you had free looking for batteries.


Zarathustra[H];1037560758 said:
If you are lucky you don't wind up having to frisk the little hoodlums to see if they have any cigarettes/alcohol/drugs and don't get visits from the local youth officer with reports of what they did in school or in the neighborhood.
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The day I discovered a picture of an exposed 13 year old girl in the text messages of a cell phone was a doozey, and sometimes those white stains on the couch look awfully suspicious. (but I guess they could just be mayonnaise, even though I have screamed at the top of my lungs that no eating is allowed on the couch)


I could go on and on, but I guess I am still at work, and probably should get back to it.

It couldn't be simpler. If you like a life in misery, and being mortified and embarrassed all the time. If you like never sleeping, constantly being angry, and have all your free time turned into work at a cleaning service. if you like giving up everything you ever had an interest in. Fine. Have kids. When you get fed up, don't say I didn't warn you.
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Lycidas said:
A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater?
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Someone's been watching Firefly. :D




Can't belive no one spotted it sooner, haven't you people seen one of the best TV series ever?
 
Steve said:
I don't think these guys are in the running for parents of the year any more.
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American parents would be called child abusers for doing this....:eek:

Lately, China seems to be getting a pass on most things.
Happens when you become the #1 economic super power in the world.
We've even forgot for there communists!
 
Lycidas said:
A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater?
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Don't forget people with huge afros who sit in front of you at the theater and thus obstruct your view. Happens all the time around here.
 
dook43 said:
Godless societies produce this kind of behavior. "Didn't know it was against the law"... and obviously didn't feel any compunction about either leaving a newborn home alone or selling the kids.
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The irony here is that it's easily argued that this Godless country is more successful then our God fearing country simply from the standpoint that financially the Chinese own our ass's and their economy is exploding in a way you can't believe and ours is struggling out of recession. Then there's also the part of how their courts are arguably more effective and, perhaps even, far more just. So, what good does God actually do this country? What kind of success has it actually brought us? Seems to me that only thing it gives most people is a false sense of superiority.
 
brycejones said:
Yet more proof Americans have little compunction about stereotyping.
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Let me know when American Judges start giving people the death penalty for taking bribes (even if they are "allowed" life in prison good behavior), organ harvesting of prisoners, Falun Gong follower "detention", etc. The list goes on and on.

So stereotype is as stereotype does.
 
Too bad they were not as ignorant as this other Chinese couple:
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/chinese-married-couple-clueless-sex-040003352.html

Kuala Lumpur (The Star/ANN) - A highly educated couple, in their 30s from Hubei, China, thought that the wife would get pregnant by sleeping on the same bed, Malaysia's largest selling Chinese language newspaper Sin Chew Daily reported.
Prior to their marriage, the couple did not dare hold hands and kiss as they thought the woman would get pregnant by doing so, reported a China newspaper Chu Tian Jin Bao.
However, the couple decided to seek medical advice after the wife, who holds a masters degree, could not conceive.
They have been married for three years.
The doctor was shocked to learn about their "sex life".
The husband, who has a doctoral degree, said they were too focused on their studies.
 
LastQuestion said:
The irony here is that it's easily argued that this Godless country is more successful then our God fearing country simply from the standpoint that financially the Chinese own our ass's and their economy is exploding in a way you can't believe and ours is struggling out of recession. Then there's also the part of how their courts are arguably more effective and, perhaps even, far more just. So, what good does God actually do this country? What kind of success has it actually brought us? Seems to me that only thing it gives most people is a false sense of superiority.
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Well, the US economy is still larger, despite debt. Living conditions are far better in the US. The list of human rights infractions in local government as well as at the national level is very long in China. The Chinese also are not atheists, the vast majority are Buddhists. What any of it has to do with God(s), I have no clue. Someone just wanted to get a jab in there.
 
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LeninGHOLA said:
...The Chinese also are not atheists, the vast majority are Buddhists. What any of it has to do with God(s), I have no clue. Someone just wanted to get a jab in there.
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What he meant was anyone that is not his specific brand of religiosity.

Buddhists = godless
Muslims = godless
Mormons = godless
Catholics = godless
Eastern Orthodox = godless
Southern Baptists = godless
Methodists = godless

and on
and on
and on
 
This couple got caught selling their children.

Selling children in China is a pretty big business: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=14166907

"It is often difficult to trace the parents of trafficked children and the law has not clearly defined the circumstances in which a buyer of a child should be punished. While many babies are stolen, some are sold by their parents.

Liu Ancheng, deputy director of the Ministry of Public Security Criminal Investigation Bureau, was quoted in the People's Daily report as saying that if the buyers have not abused the children, they cannot be held criminally responsible.

Liu said the "dreadful practice of buying and selling children" is a result of ignorance of the law in rural areas as well as traditional Chinese social norms that call for people "to have both sons and daughters" and children who will look after a parent in old age.

China's traditional preference for male heirs means some families sell their female babies in order to try for a boy, since the country's one-child policy limits most urban couples to one child and rural families to two."
 
Decibel said:
What he meant was anyone that is not his specific brand of religiosity.

Buddhists = godless
Muslims = godless
Mormons = godless
Catholics = godless
Eastern Orthodox = godless
Southern Baptists = godless
Methodists = godless

and on
and on
and on
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I was replying to someone. Take that into context. That said I should have used 'Godless' to demonstrate I was using the wording of the person I was responding to 'take a jab' at said person.
 
I could have been a bit more specific that I meant when Dook43 used the term godless he meant...
 
What an unlimited supply of money. Just make tons of babies. Oh wait...that works here...welfare.
 
dook43 said:
Godless societies produce this kind of behavior. "Didn't know it was against the law"... and obviously didn't feel any compunction about either leaving a newborn home alone or selling the kids.
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That's a good point, because everyone knows that morality and religion are inherently linked... with the exception of the old testament where the Christian God practices infanticide, the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, the mass murder of protestants in the UK, Westboro Baptists, and half the peasants in the middle east ready to blow themselves up in a crowd in the name of Allah today.
 
The chinese 1 child law is more complex than just 1 child so there are alot of situations where you can have more.

Second selling off kids to raise money is really nothing new. It is pretty much a big business in China when alot of US couples wanted kids they started pumping them out cause it was so profitable. It is not much different than practices in many other asian countries. In thailand lots of people only want girls because they can either sell them or marry them to someone older and more wealthy. Raising children for self interest is pretty common, heck even in the US you have poor people who make kids just to get government support and the same thing happens plenty in Europe. So really this is no different parents using children for money, what they do with that money is all selfish be it gaming or smoking crack.

Also I disagree with the person who said the children would probably get a better life. That is possible but it is just as likely they will be sold into prostitution or a much worse situation.
 
WTF with this forum always bagging on the Chinese. You CAN disown your kids in the US - and people do that. Hell mothers are known to kill their own kids here. It's just like the Hong Kong homeless story. OMG people live in small homes? Hell here in NYC we have people that sleep in the streets on regular basis...

Pot meet Kettle..sheesh.
 
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