Sanity check - i7 1336 isn't going anywhere, right?

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lopoetve

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As in, it's not being replaced as part of the sandy bridge change in January, right?

I tend to buy the top-end, and try to make it last at least 2 years - debating on picking up one of the few remaining Core2Quads, or jump finally to I7. Just want to know that it's not going to be obsolete in 3 months.

edit: Running an E8400 @ stock (bad CPU fan) right now. Need 4 cores for some things I'm doing, so either way we're upgrading something.
 
Omegas said:
wait till Sandy
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I won't be willing to buy one of those till 6 months after it comes out (I have to rely on my system - I'm not willing to be a beta tester for hardware anymore - I've played that game WAY too many times, and am currently battling video cards on that), so it's not even an option. I need a quad core in the next month or two for some multithreaded projects I'm working on - it's either C2Q, or I7 1336...
 
I haven't checked the used market...but if you have a MC nearby, then the i7's are always in the running. I mean the 950 for crying out loud is the current $199 chip. Unless you find a Q9650/Q9550 for a competitive price, I think a used X58 mobo + i7 (anything) will be a decent option. Technically you do have Gulftown as drop-in potential...but those prices remain hilarious at best.
 
As long as it's not about to be phased out, I'll probably do that. That's all I want to check on. It's gonna stick around for a bit, but I'm hoping there's at least an option in 2 years that isn't a whole new motherboard again:)
 
Actually, the true replacement for socket LGA 1366 CPUs, Sandy Bridge based socket 2011 isn't due out till Q3 2011. However the performance of the mainstream Sandy Bridge socket LGA 1155 CPUs is supppsedly faster than current Core i7/LGA 1366 CPUs. So despite being marketed as the mainstream platform, the socket lGA 1155 CPUs may end up being the top-end in terms of performance when released in January.
 
I'm sticking with i7-930 till MicroCenter has a hot deal on a i7-995X or something better comes along.
 
Danny Bui said:
Actually, the true replacement for socket LGA 1366 CPUs, Sandy Bridge based socket 2011 isn't due out till Q3 2011. However the performance of the mainstream Sandy Bridge socket LGA 1155 CPUs is supppsedly faster than current Core i7/LGA 1366 CPUs. So despite being marketed as the mainstream platform, the socket lGA 1155 CPUs may end up being the top-end in terms of performance when released in January.
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Fair enough, but I can't buy one of those till July (won't). So right now, it's C2Q, or I7 on 1336. Either will be faster than the E8400 I'm on now, as long as it's not going away instantly, I'll know there'll be ~some~ upgrade options later on as things migrate over - there will be at least a few more processors out there before they retire that platform. I bought my C2 right before I7 came out in the first place, and have enjoyed plenty of performance till now.

I just don't trust first generation products of any kind, and for good reason - I've had way too many systems down with products that weren't quite ready for prime time, and for once I can't take that risk. :(
 
A core2quad would be a good stopgap until you're comfortable with 1155 sandy bridge. I'd say no to 1366 unless you're looking at one of the 6 core extreme edition processors
 
s1366 wont be going anywhere until s2011, and thats 9-12 months out. If you really upgrade every 2 years, you'll be on your next upgrade when s2011 is ready for you. Get an i7.
 
Honestly, if SB isn't an option, does it even matter? If you're getting an I7, it's going to last you several years before you're looking to upgrade so whether 1366 ceases production the day after you buy it, or a year later you'll probably still be running the same chip either way, and by the time you actually want/need an upgrade it'll be so far out you're almsot certain to be looking at an entirly new platform anyway.

Lets just assume 1366 is going bye bye in 4 months, and you've already stated SB isn't going to happen. What are you left with? AMD?
 
775 was EOL in 2009. I do not think 1366 is EOL yet. I mean there will be at least 1 more speed bump for the X6 version. However don't expect any more X4 1366 chips. Although for consumer chips I guess you can call it EOL since it has been some time since a new chip.
 
Well, having reviewed some tech previews, I definitely won't be going sandy bridge. I use eyefinity, and don't want a premature bottlecap of x8/x8 only for my PCIE bus (and have no need for a lousy built in graphics card on the CPU). I'll get a 1366 for now, and wait to see what happens with it in the future.
 
lots of the boards are 16x16x8 compatible, just like 1156 (using an nforce200 chip).

Do you have a use for higher clock speeds and a 15% clock-per-clock advantage?
 
Furystrike said:
lots of the boards are 16x16x8 compatible, just like 1156 (using an nforce200 chip).

Do you have a use for higher clock speeds and a 15% clock-per-clock advantage?
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I've been on a C2D @ stock speeds for 2.5 years. :p Doesn't matter much for gaming, I just actually need to be able to run 4 concurrent threads right now, and the C2 can't keep up.

Either way, SB isn't on the roadmap - that's way too far out, and I can't sit for 6 months waiting for them to work out the bugs.
 
lopoetve said:
Well, having reviewed some tech previews, I definitely won't be going sandy bridge. I use eyefinity, and don't want a premature bottlecap of x8/x8 only for my PCIE bus (and have no need for a lousy built in graphics card on the CPU). I'll get a 1366 for now, and wait to see what happens with it in the future.
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Maybe you should focus on getting your 6870s working before looking into a new mobo/CPU.
8x8 performs 99% as well as 16x16, anyway.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Express_Scaling/25.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pcie-geforce-gtx-480-x16-x8-x4,2696-16.html
 
I think "not going anywhere" is actually a very good description. I doubt it will become unavailable any time soon (afterall core 2 chips are still available and indeed still shipping in many OEM system) but I don't think you will see more than incremental speed bumps on it either. If we are lucky maybe an affordable hex-core will appear but I have my doubts on that too.
 
sandy bridge will not run triple channel memory from what i read, so s1366 will be superior until its EOL. even when s1366 is EOL, it will most likely still run anything you throw at it for the next 2 years
 
sandy bridge will not run triple channel memory from what i read, so s1366 will be superior until its EOL.
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I do not believe it will be superior for that reason. I mean SB will support much higher memory frequencies than 1066 MHz so the triple channel / dual channel will not be a big deal.
 
^ People brag about their processor overclocks much more than about running fast RAM
 
lopoetve said:
As in, it's not being replaced as part of the sandy bridge change in January, right?

I tend to buy the top-end, and try to make it last at least 2 years - debating on picking up one of the few remaining Core2Quads, or jump finally to I7. Just want to know that it's not going to be obsolete in 3 months.

edit: Running an E8400 @ stock (bad CPU fan) right now. Need 4 cores for some things I'm doing, so either way we're upgrading something.
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don't wait, get an i7-950 and enjoy the huge performance boost over your E8400, the first sandy bridge won't be that much better than the current i7 and will be more expensive, the current i7 will last you a few years no problem.
 
I'd sell the e8400 and pick up a q9300 for $100 at MC.
 
If we are talking gaming it doesnt really matter. You have to run Dual 580s or higher before the CPU becomes a bottle neck. Why not get the I5 750 thats been the choice for months now? They are cheap..and you wont cry when you upgrade it in 18-24 months.

Take the savings and invest in a GTX580 or 69xx video card.
 
GLSauron said:
Maybe you should focus on getting your 6870s working before looking into a new mobo/CPU.
8x8 performs 99% as well as 16x16, anyway.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Express_Scaling/25.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pcie-geforce-gtx-480-x16-x8-x4,2696-16.html
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Fuck that shit. I'm waiting on the RMA's of both of them so I can sell them. Then once the upgrade is complete, I'm switching back to Nvidia.

[H]s own review shows that it starts being a bottleneck with Eyefinity/NVsurround, and that's with just today's games, let alone ones that come up later. Not a significant one, sure, but a bit of one. Plus, I'm still not buying a brand new product - I've regretted it every time I have. Let them work the bugs out with someone else. :p
 
AllenFX said:
If we are talking gaming it doesnt really matter. You have to run Dual 580s or higher before the CPU becomes a bottle neck. Why not get the I5 750 thats been the choice for months now? They are cheap..and you wont cry when you upgrade it in 18-24 months.

Take the savings and invest in a GTX580 or 69xx video card.
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Yeah, that's why I was considering the C2Q.
 
Well maybe for the stupid crazy resolutions but not for most. I do play at lower resolutions like 1600x1050 but even assuming that as the low end, I have not found bottleneck for my I860 @ 3.5333 base and Turbo to 4.160ghz yet and i figure it will be another whole generation of video cards or two before i do.

Kudos for you for wanting resolutions that high! :)

If this is how you are looking at things...your going to need to go to 1366 at the very least to give yourself an upgrade path to Gulftown or wait...i really don't see any other options other than those two choices.


Edit: Ahh, i see. I am not as big of a fan of the C2Q but then again, i havent checked their prices lately. If they are THAT much cheaper than 1156 with I5 750...go for it, but you will need to upgrade sooner than later i suspect.
 
I would wait until Sandy comes out; it's only like a month away. The rumored prices are very similar to what the CPU's are going for today and they have better performance with a new, more future proof socket.

I mean you can't go wrong with purchasing a i7 950 ($200 @ MC) or if you picked up that sick i7 875k combo deal at Microcenter as well. But, if you're looking for something to last you atleast 2+ years then I would just save your money and invest in Sandy LGA 1155 (Jan, 2011) or LGA 2011 (Second Half 2011).
 
Go for the i7 and be done with it, it's a viable piece of hardware that's rock solid and stable right now. Give Sandy Bridge time to mature, get at least a full generation of mobos out in the first half of 2011. If your needs require more power than what the i7 actually can produce with a nice box after say, next summer/fall, Sandy Bridge will have had time to do that maturing, mobos will be offering newer features, the little niggling bugs that occur with first gen products will have had time to get ironed out (hopefully), and the best benefit of all:

That shit won't be as expensive as it will be at the launch in January. ;)
 
I mentioned this in the other thread also but, while im aware of the performance leap in general computing, the leap in games appears marginal at best (For SB)
 
AllenFX said:
I mentioned this in the other thread also but, while im aware of the performance leap in general computing, the leap in games appears marginal at best (For SB)
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Have you seen benchmarks with SB in games? I haven't seen any, but if you can point me to them, I'd love to look.
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row/11

Granted thats the I52400 in the benchmarks, and its not the final product, but logic indicates graphic intensive apps to be GPU bound with the I7s and OC I5s except for maybe some isolated CPU intensive MMORGS or RTS type games. By the time games come out that need the extra physics processing..prices will have dropped so much on the SB platforms that upgraded would be a no brainer...but we are talking probably 2+ years (and 2+ generations of video cards from now).
 
I would wait. Sandy Bridge 2011 sockets will be quad channel DDR4 memory and 8 cores. To tie yourself over just buy a core2Quad and call it a day. Personally I didn't see much difference going from the E8400 to the CoreI7 920 @ 4.0. Some things load a little bit quicker and I can utilize more resources but barely do more then four things at a time anyways. I also game at 2560X1600 and had no problem running mulitple cards on the E8400 as long as it was clocked to 3.6 ghz..
 
exlink said:
I would wait until Sandy comes out; it's only like a month away. The rumored prices are very similar to what the CPU's are going for today and they have better performance with a new, more future proof socket.

I mean you can't go wrong with purchasing a i7 950 ($200 @ MC) or if you picked up that sick i7 875k combo deal at Microcenter as well. But, if you're looking for something to last you atleast 2+ years then I would just save your money and invest in Sandy LGA 1155 (Jan, 2011) or LGA 2011 (Second Half 2011).
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I wouldn't be willing to buy 1155 till July, or 2011 till December or so at the earliest. That would require me to wait almost a year before upgrading, which is half way through my upgrade cycle (remember, I need guaranteed stability foremost, with the requirement for 4+ cores).
Bahamut said:
Go for the i7 and be done with it, it's a viable piece of hardware that's rock solid and stable right now. Give Sandy Bridge time to mature, get at least a full generation of mobos out in the first half of 2011. If your needs require more power than what the i7 actually can produce with a nice box after say, next summer/fall, Sandy Bridge will have had time to do that maturing, mobos will be offering newer features, the little niggling bugs that occur with first gen products will have had time to get ironed out (hopefully), and the best benefit of all:

That shit won't be as expensive as it will be at the launch in January. ;)
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I think this is the key. I buy I7 now, get plenty of performance for anything I need to do. SB 2011 comes out in a year, half way through the upgrade cycle - that means a year after that, it'll be stable, second gen motherboards will be out, prices will have dropped, and it'll be a perfect time to upgrade again. I'm not a bleeding edge guy anymore - I just don't have time to be.
 
+1 for the i7, Solid and Mature hardware that will last you an while.
 
I would, if i were you, probably get a budget SB (LGA1155) rig up and running in january until SB LGA2011 (enthusiast cpu's and quad channel memory etc) in Q3/4
 
Could grab a q9550 and ride out sandy bridge. q9550 will handle so many times with little or no sweat.
 
drescherjm said:
775 was EOL in 2009. I do not think 1366 is EOL yet. I mean there will be at least 1 more speed bump for the X6 version. However don't expect any more X4 1366 chips. Although for consumer chips I guess you can call it EOL since it has been some time since a new chip.
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What im saying is Intel knew along time ago 1366 was EOL, they started focusing on 1156, now 1155, and not until Q3 '11 will the 2011 get released.

the 980x was the last major cpu revision for 1366, speed bumps and such are not significant enough.
 
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