AMD Catalyst 10.11 are Now Out

Reporting in my recent findings.

Ran Nvidia cards from 2001 to 2009, never had an issue.

Running AMD 5770s in Crossfire since 2009 and have installed all the driver releases and hot fixes, never uninstalled the old drivers just ran the .EXE and slapped the now ones over the top.

Zero issues or problems. All running perfect as normal.

When I see folks that have major issues I often wonder what their PCs look like or how they are setup.

Its like when I see folks moaning aboust slow performance in certain apps and then you see a screen grab of their desktop and the taskbar has 30+ icons in it.

In most cases it isnt the drivers or the hardware thats the problem. You just have too much crap on your PC or it isnt built right in the first place.
 
Stimpy88 said:
It's a shame to see AMD's driver team faulter so badly this last 6-12 months or so. I really think they should go to a 6 realease a year schedule.

It's hard to beleve that they have only just started coding for the 68xx series, it goes to show just how old the WHQL drivers are before we get them!
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6 a year? Nvidia practically pumps out 6 a month it seems, and they all work in my experience. And ATIs driver team faltered a lot longer than 6-12 months ago. The drivers have been garbage since I jumped ship with the HD3870s, and they probably sucked before that to.
 
This driver is a perfect example of why AMD needs to get away from their monthly driver release schedule. It's hurting more than helping.
 
It certainly is incorrect and unfair to suggest Crossfire never works properly. It often works very well.

When you get negative scaling in a game that is not user error. That's caused by a missing or broken driver profile.

Every issue I've run across with Crossfire in the past and reported on Rage3d has been verified as legitimate by an ATi Beta tester.

Currently, the most stable and reliable option is to use a single GPU. That may very well change in the future if the way work is handled by more that one GPU evolves. Right now the usual implementation is brute force through AFR.

I wouldn't say, don't try Crossfire. I would say, if you do, buy your cards from a place that allows you to return them for a full refund if you aren't satisfied.
 
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John Vuong said:
WTF... why would AMD leave out users who has a 68xx card?
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It's called WHQL certification and the process isn't instant. Meaning these drivers were likely submitted for WHQL some time ago. It's no surprise that 10.10e is actually "newer" though I'd agree that is a bit confusing.
 
daglesj said:
Reporting in my recent findings.

Ran Nvidia cards from 2001 to 2009, never had an issue.

Running AMD 5770s in Crossfire since 2009 and have installed all the driver releases and hot fixes, never uninstalled the old drivers just ran the .EXE and slapped the now ones over the top.

Zero issues or problems. All running perfect as normal.

When I see folks that have major issues I often wonder what their PCs look like or how they are setup.

Its like when I see folks moaning aboust slow performance in certain apps and then you see a screen grab of their desktop and the taskbar has 30+ icons in it.

In most cases it isnt the drivers or the hardware thats the problem. You just have too much crap on your PC or it isnt built right in the first place.
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I disagree.

The mouse cursor corruption when using 2 monitors with an ATI card seems to be a widespread problem (as is the cursor corruption with a single monitor in SC2). Assuming that in every case, it is an issue with the way that these people built their computers and installed software is misguided/arrogant in my opinion. This is an enthusiast forum, and people generally have a clue what they are doing. There are pre-built laptops that are experiencing the same corruption issue in SC2 as the desktops that people are building. As well, how the hell would anything but the drivers or hardware affect the 2D clocks as I mentioned in my previous post. Note that when I installed different drivers, this issue was fixed (or broken again, in the case of 10.11). In this case, it seems reasonable to me to blame the drivers.
 
housecat said:
I haven't had any issue with these drivers so far other than in Kings Bounty which apparently they are ignoring my support tickets about the flickering. Overall happy though, this 5870 has been a great card (drivers and all).



Can you tell me which driver versions? My friend complains about having to manually set the clocks all the time.
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IIRC the 2D clock issue that I was experiencing while overclocking disappeared starting at version 10.7.
 
Floppy said:
Sadly these drivers still give me frequent CTD with no error in Battlefield Bad Company 2. 10.5 drivers run without any problem, but every version since then has given me the CTD problem. I'll stay with 10.5 for now. I'm running 2x 5850s, Win 7 64bit, 2560 x 1600, no AA, everything else maxed.

I've submitted the driver feedback form with every release. The problem occurs at random times during play so I appreciate that it's difficult for AMD to recreate and solve the issue, but I know that I'm not the only one experiencing this.

Anyway, here's hoping for 10.12.
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Are you overclocking your cpu? I get CTD's in BC2 with the occasional soundloop error when I run my cpu at anything higher than 3ghz. If i drop it back down to 3ghz it never happens. This is the only game that has ever given me problems at 3.4, where it sits stable with any other software or benchmark I throw at it.

The drivers installed smooth over the top of 10.10 here. So far no issues.
 
osmt2 said:
IIRC the 2D clock issue that I was experiencing while overclocking disappeared starting at version 10.7.
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Thanks I passed that along. I have flickering in Kings Bounty on anything newer than 10.7 which is very annoying. Looks like that end up being their best release this year. It was also the first IIRC to have VLC hardware acceleration support.
 
QuothTheRaven said:
It's odd that 10.10e is newer than 10.11.
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It is not odd- it takes time to WHQL certify drivers. Obviously, that MUST be done sometimes, and some people will only use WHQL drivers. The deal is that the hotfixes are NOT WHQL and can be released as soon as they are completed, so 10.10e was probably completed and released for us long after 10.11 was sent for WHQL cert. People are making WAYYYYY too big of an issue out of this. I think its great that AMD is working to get things working properly and like that they are willing to pop out hotfixes and beta drivers or whatever you want to call them as often as they have something fixed and ready for us. would you rather have to wait for months to have the 5xxx series get MLAA or would you rather get that option as soon as AMD can get it done and implemented in a hotfix?
 
QuothTheRaven said:
It's odd that 10.10e is newer than 10.11.
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That's not because to my knowledge any of the hotfix drivers don't have to pass WHQL certificaton. So if 10.11 was submitted for approval Mid-October and 10.10e was released late October it makes perfect sense that 10.10e should be newer.
 
10.10e, crossfired 6850 playing BC2 at 5760x1080 90+fps and smooth gaming ( all low set tho)
alt tab disables crossfire and noted likely be fixed in the 10.12 drivers sicne 10.11 isnt for 6800 series but has that fix.
 
-Sn1PeR- said:
Are you overclocking your cpu? I get CTD's in BC2 with the occasional soundloop error when I run my cpu at anything higher than 3ghz. If i drop it back down to 3ghz it never happens. This is the only game that has ever given me problems at 3.4, where it sits stable with any other software or benchmark I throw at it.

The drivers installed smooth over the top of 10.10 here. So far no issues.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'd previously tested running the graphics cards at stock but never tried changing the CPU. Normally my i7 920 is overclocked at 3.7GHz so I tried it at stock 2.66GHz with the 10.11 drivers.

This did seem to make the CTDs less frequent although they were still happening. I tested BC2 for about 6 hours (yes I play the game far too much) and had 2 CTDs with the CPU at stock. Previously with the CPU overclocked at 3.7 I was getting CTDs usually once an hour on average.

However, when I use the 10.5 drivers I get no CTDs with everything overclocked as normal.
 
Flyinfinni said:
would you rather have to wait for months to have the 5xxx series get MLAA or would you rather get that option as soon as AMD can get it done and implemented in a hotfix?
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Finally, someone with some sense!

The effort it takes to update a driver is so freaking small, I have no idea why people are complaining about hotfixes. This is [H], not BestBuyForums.com. If you don't like updating drivers, then what the hell are you doing here.

This is a place where people put effort INTO their PC's (overclocking to the absolute limit, building watercooling, building storage arrays).
 
anyone else get flickering? on my gateway XHD3000 30" monitor, i got a lot of flickering every time i opened a new folder or movie, and during fullscreen playback the flickering would start at the bottom and gradually work its way up toward the top so that the whole screen was flickering. i uninstalled 10.11, reinstalled 10.10, and its fixed. this is with a 5850 slightly overclocked.
 
You can also wait for a week for people to complain about any bugs. It's also why I have windows updates set to notify only, so people can scream and cry when something breaks and I'll be warned.
 
Flyinfinni said:
you rather have to wait for months to have the 5xxx series get MLAA or would you rather get that option as soon as AMD can get it done and implemented in a hotfix?
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I'd tell them to skip MLAA compleatly. I was absolutly pissed when I heard they were adding features before fixing huge long-standing driver bugs. Talk about having your priorities out of order...

I'd rather wait for months and get a driver with all the problems resolved, than continue testing broken driver after broken driver.
 
daglesj said:
Reporting in my recent findings.

Ran Nvidia cards from 2001 to 2009, never had an issue.

Running AMD 5770s in Crossfire since 2009 and have installed all the driver releases and hot fixes, never uninstalled the old drivers just ran the .EXE and slapped the now ones over the top.

Zero issues or problems. All running perfect as normal.

When I see folks that have major issues I often wonder what their PCs look like or how they are setup.

Its like when I see folks moaning aboust slow performance in certain apps and then you see a screen grab of their desktop and the taskbar has 30+ icons in it.

In most cases it isnt the drivers or the hardware thats the problem. You just have too much crap on your PC or it isnt built right in the first place.
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I keep my PC running clean and smooth too. In the past I've used vid cards based on:

3Dfx Voodoo 1 card
Nvidia Riva TNT 1 and 2
Nvidia Geforce2 MX
ATI 9700 Pro
Nvidia 6800GT
Nvidia 8800GT
Now, ATI 5870

As you can see, I've ran quite a few Nvidia cards and tried the 9700 due to good reviews about performance. I've always kept my PC clean and optimized and have never had any problems with the Nvidia cards' drivers. When I got the 9700, I immediately noticed bloat, extra processes running and had lousy driver issues. That's when I went back to Nvidia.

So recently I again read great reviews on the 5870 vs 480 and figured it'd be the best bang for the buck, so I decided to give ATI another chance... Lo and behold, worst driver experience ever. Grey screens are common, flash crashes with acceleration (have to turn it off), many driver issues like SC2 pylon background hidden below ground and cursor corruption, pitiful 2D experience in Win 7, and the list goes on. I'm still using 10.9 atm even after six releases (10.10a thru e and then 10.11) ATI doesn't fix the SC2 pylon issue?

I have a feeling that ATI's driver department is seriously lacking in expertise or quality control. The programmers at Nvidia seem to be much more disciplined or, dare I say, talented and skilled.

I'm glad I make pretty good money as an electrical engineer so that I can afford a new vid card because most likely, I'm going to replace this 5870 soon and you can bet that it's going to be an Nvidia card.
Come on Sandy Bridge, time for a new PC!!

FYI, my current system specs (since 2007):
Q6600 @ 3.5GHz
4GB DDR2 876MHz (438 FSB 2:1) @ 4-4-5-12, perf. level 7.
ATI 5870, cat. 10.9
GA-EP35-DS3R mobo
PC P&C Silencer 750 Quad
Win7 Ultimate
 
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Yeah NV 2D accel in XP was great. They've really faltered in drivers since the 8800 days IMO. I switched from NV due to them really dropping the ball compared to the olden days. They were superior I agree, by far. I had a similar upgrade path to you over the years, starting with a Diamond Monster 3D.

Things really are equal on drivers anymore. You might have better luck if the problems you are encountering on AMD's side are with apps you use.. but you can find annoying and showstopping bugs on NV right now.
For a while, they had a driver out that could kill your card.. I never recall AMD failing quite that hard. I use 10.7WHQL though, very happy with that release.
 
Wow, didn't know that the HD 5000 series drivers were so problematic. Never encountered a single issue of those with my setup. Only with Need for Speed Hot Pusuit in which all the screen would turn white once the graphic rendering process is started after you choose a car in the racing options. Disabling Crossfire fixed the issue, but Anti Aliasing will not work regardless, if I force it, the game would hang instantly. Some minor scaling issues with Splinter Cell Conviction which runs like ass on most systems anyways, but in overall, it has been a nice experience with my setup since two years ago. I've been using Crossfire for a year now and I think that the next time I will go to a single GPU, I can't withstand the horrible heat dissipation that comes under my desk while gaming, at least noise isn't a issue, it quite whisper. :)
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
Why shouldn't AMD commit to have 12 WHQL releases per year? Do you want less, like a couple of WHQL drivers and the rest being hotfixes?
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They just released a WHQL driver that is older than a hotfix for their previous driver and DOESN'T support their brand new series of video cards. I don't mind getting WHQL releases but this one proves that their dedication to their release schedule is hampering driver development.
 
Why is it that 90% of the complainers in this thread have a Nvidia card in their sig and aren't even mentioning any specific issues?
 
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howiec said:
I keep my PC running clean and smooth too. In the past I've used vid cards based on:

3Dfx Voodoo 1 card
Nvidia Riva TNT 1 and 2
Nvidia Geforce2 MX
ATI 9700 Pro
Nvidia 6800GT
Nvidia 8800GT
Now, ATI 5870

As you can see, I've ran quite a few Nvidia cards and tried the 9700 due to good reviews about performance. I've always kept my PC clean and optimized and have never had any problems with the Nvidia cards' drivers. When I got the 9700, I immediately noticed bloat, extra processes running and had lousy driver issues. That's when I went back to Nvidia.

So recently I again read great reviews on the 5870 vs 480 and figured it'd be the best bang for the buck, so I decided to give ATI another chance... Lo and behold, worst driver experience ever. Grey screens are common, flash crashes with acceleration (have to turn it off), many driver issues like SC2 pylon background hidden below ground and cursor corruption, pitiful 2D experience in Win 7, and the list goes on. I'm still using 10.9 atm even after six releases (10.10a thru e and then 10.11) ATI doesn't fix the SC2 pylon issue?

I have a feeling that ATI's driver department is seriously lacking in expertise or quality control. The programmers at Nvidia seem to be much more disciplined or, dare I say, talented and skilled.

I'm glad I make pretty good money as an electrical engineer so that I can afford a new vid card because most likely, I'm going to replace this 5870 soon and you can bet that it's going to be an Nvidia card.
Come on Sandy Bridge, time for a new PC!!

FYI, my current system specs (since 2007):
Q6600 @ 3.5GHz
4GB DDR2 876MHz (438 FSB 2:1) @ 4-4-5-12, perf. level 7.
ATI 5870, cat. 10.9
GA-EP35-DS3R mobo
PC P&C Silencer 750 Quad
Win7 Ultimate
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Yeah, I don't understand why flash hardware accel is a problem AMD still haven't fixed. GSODs were annoying as hell but lately they seem to be less common. Might be just luck.
 
SixtyWattMan said:
They just released a WHQL driver that is older than a hotfix for their previous driver and DOESN'T support their brand new series of video cards. I don't mind getting WHQL releases but this one proves that their dedication to their release schedule is hampering driver development.
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WHQL certification takes time. AMD simply releases the newest stuff to us, and compiles a monthly WHQL driver for the Windows Update crowd.
 
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