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I don't think farmville is a system seller for women
, BUT if you think it is, then it will run the facebook app so isn't that taken care of?I don't understand this thing.
It's not much of a productivity device, just due to the form factor.
Okay, maybe it's a media device... um... nope, not with limited media support, no connectors, etc.
Okay, maybe it's a general travel computing gadget... but sans GPS and camera, it's actually less useful to me (when traveling) than my current iPhone.
Frankly, as much as I adore my 27" iMac and my iPhone, I don't see much point to getting this. Leaving out the GPS and camera more or less sapped my interest.
It's not much of a productivity device, just due to the form factor.
Okay, maybe it's a media device... um... nope, not with limited media support, no connectors, etc.
Okay, maybe it's a general travel computing gadget... but sans GPS and camera, it's actually less useful to me (when traveling) than my current iPhone.
Frankly, as much as I adore my 27" iMac and my iPhone, I don't see much point to getting this. Leaving out the GPS and camera more or less sapped my interest.
Why are people comparing this product to a netbook/laptop? They just don't share much in common. Granted, the price is high on this product (whatever you wan't to coin it), but let's think about this for a second:
What does Apple offer across its entire line of products? Answer: High priced, good looking, smooth operating devices.
What exactly is an iPad? Answer: It's a higher priced, better looking, more fully featured Kindle.
Breakdown:
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Kindle 6" ($260)
Kindle 9" ($489)
e-book reader
downloads books over 3G with no contract
good screen for reading, but no color
1 week battery life
1/3" thick, 10 or 18oz
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iPad ($499 - $829)
wifi
3g with contract
color screen
touch screen
e-book reader
plays music
surfs the web
bluetooth support
Apps (games, calendar, contacts, email, im, photos, video)
10 hour battery life
1/2" thick, 24oz
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It's just not a netbook replacement. If you have netbook needs, get a netbook. If you want an e-reader, the iPad is a super strong candidate. It offers more fun and function at the expense of some e-reader capabilities (the screen and battery life). Is it more expensive than the competition? Please, point me to an Apple product that isn't.
Does it change the way I think about the world? If you really thought this, you're an idiot. It isn't going to revolutionize anything, and it never had the chance to. I love Apple products, but anyone who thinks Apple is changing the world is an idiot. Apple is creating computer products and gadgets with refined, yet simple design. They are taking the complicated and making it easy, while looking good and charging out the ass. They foster a semi-counter culture that appeals to middle-class hybrid owners, while maintaining a style that looks good with a suit. In this case, they saw a popular market (e-readers) and did what they do best - pricey, sexy, easy
What does Apple offer across its entire line of products? Answer: High priced, good looking, smooth operating devices.
What exactly is an iPad? Answer: It's a higher priced, better looking, more fully featured Kindle.
Breakdown:
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Kindle 6" ($260)
Kindle 9" ($489)
e-book reader
downloads books over 3G with no contract
good screen for reading, but no color
1 week battery life
1/3" thick, 10 or 18oz
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iPad ($499 - $829)
wifi
3g with contract
color screen
touch screen
e-book reader
plays music
surfs the web
bluetooth support
Apps (games, calendar, contacts, email, im, photos, video)
10 hour battery life
1/2" thick, 24oz
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It's just not a netbook replacement. If you have netbook needs, get a netbook. If you want an e-reader, the iPad is a super strong candidate. It offers more fun and function at the expense of some e-reader capabilities (the screen and battery life). Is it more expensive than the competition? Please, point me to an Apple product that isn't.
Does it change the way I think about the world? If you really thought this, you're an idiot. It isn't going to revolutionize anything, and it never had the chance to. I love Apple products, but anyone who thinks Apple is changing the world is an idiot. Apple is creating computer products and gadgets with refined, yet simple design. They are taking the complicated and making it easy, while looking good and charging out the ass. They foster a semi-counter culture that appeals to middle-class hybrid owners, while maintaining a style that looks good with a suit. In this case, they saw a popular market (e-readers) and did what they do best - pricey, sexy, easy
Yep.
This definitely kicks ass as an ebook reader, beating out any other ebook device currently out there IMO.
Think of it as an affordable ebook reader that can do more.
It's definitely not an iPhone replacement. Actually, if you have both, then you can multitask.
Those were the first 2 things I noticed missing. It is kinda a shame, but the device is still pretty good when you think what it can do for more casual audience out there.
Personally, I'll get this first gen device for my tech-noob mom who loves it already, and wait for the 2nd/3rd gen version before getting it myself. Just like I ended up getting 3GS as my first iPhone. ;D
It's not a real physical GPS that will work in the mountains (where there is no 3G coverage and no wifis) or on the road.
It's an "Assisted GPS" that uses nearby WiFi networks and the triangulation info from cellular towers (in the 3G version) to try and find your approximate location. It's less accurate and doesn't work everywhere, plus you need WiFi or 3G to be on. Note: You don't actually have to be connected to a WiFi network, it just needs to be able to sense the nearby wifi access points and look up their physical location via the internet.
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That's what she said.
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That's what a kid in my sister's kindergarten class said.
Haha, this is an awesome post
I'd love for this to be my next notebook but I'm not so sure.
The Macbook Pro is truly overkill for me, I've finally come to terms with that. I spend almost my whole time doing web and email on it. I have Final Cut Studio installed on it which I never use because hey, there's a frigging iMac over here to do real work on, and I have a Windows partition with Team Fortress 2 and L4D2 installed which hardly ever gets used on work trips because most hotels have shitty internet or I'm out actually working or exploring. No point to that either, big waste of money.
At the same time I've wanted a very light notebook, something like the Macbook Air. The thing with the iPad is that seems to do web and email very well, and its only a third the cost of the MBA at $500 (and half the weight!). I dunno, from the cost POV it makes a ton of sense, but I'm still concerned about if I'm missing anything functionally compared to a regular Macbook.
There are still two more months before this thing comes out. If its awesome then I may get it, but I'm still not sure. The reason I want it to be great is because of the price and the size. If I can replace a full notebook with it, great. We'll see.
The Macbook Pro is truly overkill for me, I've finally come to terms with that. I spend almost my whole time doing web and email on it. I have Final Cut Studio installed on it which I never use because hey, there's a frigging iMac over here to do real work on, and I have a Windows partition with Team Fortress 2 and L4D2 installed which hardly ever gets used on work trips because most hotels have shitty internet or I'm out actually working or exploring. No point to that either, big waste of money.
At the same time I've wanted a very light notebook, something like the Macbook Air. The thing with the iPad is that seems to do web and email very well, and its only a third the cost of the MBA at $500 (and half the weight!). I dunno, from the cost POV it makes a ton of sense, but I'm still concerned about if I'm missing anything functionally compared to a regular Macbook.
There are still two more months before this thing comes out. If its awesome then I may get it, but I'm still not sure. The reason I want it to be great is because of the price and the size. If I can replace a full notebook with it, great. We'll see.
same here.
Thanks apple.but why not verizon for the 3g
If you guys havent realized yet, Apple will NEVER go on Verizon, I would think it'd be freaking obvious by now. Apple will stick with ATT, Why? ATT has aggressive wireless expansion plans, ATT will comply to Apples needs and wants. ATT Has a MUCH better network, You say it sucks, but its honestly the best. Verizon's network is mostly txt and voice, sure its all 3g, but 70% of all verizon customers only use voice and txt, while ATT has mostly smartphone users and STILL gets consistently higher download and upload speeds then Verizon. So just suck it up and go ATT, and if you dont because u love verizon, then someone else will, so your not exactly putting up a fight for apple to switch telecom companies.
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im definitely getting one for my 78 year old grandmother.
she loves the epicurious app; she needs to learn about email, and the internet. some sort of picture viewer would be nice. but damn, i hope she doesnt have to use itunes on another computer. i wish it had a camera.
she loves the epicurious app; she needs to learn about email, and the internet. some sort of picture viewer would be nice. but damn, i hope she doesnt have to use itunes on another computer. i wish it had a camera.
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I'd been socking away a little here and there for the last 6 months so I'd have no problem buying this device when it was finally announced.
I'm pleased to say I've got plenty already set aside.
I'm sad to say, this device is nowhere NEAR what it should be, and I'll just have to buy one of the already announced Windows 7 slate PC's to compliment my iPhone. All of those are more powerful, more capable and offer better capacity at a lower price.
Thanks, Apple. Way to under-deliver.
I'm pleased to say I've got plenty already set aside.
I'm sad to say, this device is nowhere NEAR what it should be, and I'll just have to buy one of the already announced Windows 7 slate PC's to compliment my iPhone. All of those are more powerful, more capable and offer better capacity at a lower price.
Thanks, Apple. Way to under-deliver.
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sigh...I have to say I was hoping for something more than what we got but such is life.
This was touted as a 'revolutionary product' when it was more of an 'Evolutionary product' and while that isn't a bad thing, they did miss a few items. I don't need to go over them again because it's already been beat like a dead horse. When my iPod Touch dies, hopefully this will be a mature product...but until then I will keep with that, my macbook and BlackBerry
This was touted as a 'revolutionary product' when it was more of an 'Evolutionary product' and while that isn't a bad thing, they did miss a few items. I don't need to go over them again because it's already been beat like a dead horse. When my iPod Touch dies, hopefully this will be a mature product...but until then I will keep with that, my macbook and BlackBerry
This has the same A-GPS as the iPhone. Which uses a GPS chip along with the assisted server data. How is that any different from how the iPhone works or other cell phones. This isn't something you are going to use to navigate the trails, this is you sitting in a coffee shop, park or couch device.
I've read about every article that means anything on the iPad last night, watched the keynote and thought about it. I think peoples expectations are what killed it. The hype was so tremendous that in the end the product that was revealed didn't even come close to what everyone wanted.
If we step back and look at it for what it really is, an eBook, eNewspaper, email and web device then it's a hit.
How often do you use a web cam anyway. How often do you take photo's with your iPhone or Cell phone other than crappy snapshots. For what it is I think it will certainly sell and fits with the apple design philosophy.
I agree with shurcool. During the announcement and launch, it was definitely disappointing, but mainly because of all the hype. Also, I think a lot of people that were disappointed have iPhones and/or iPod Touches already so it doesn't seem like a big deal.
On the other hand, my girlfriend who does not have a touch-screen device thinks it could be really useful and perfect for her needs. The thing is, they're touting this as a casual web device. If you leave it on your coffee table or night stand, it's great for what it does. Read an article, read an eBook, go through RSS feeds, browse [H]ard|Forum, etc. It's lightweight, looks great, I'm sure it feels great too, and is simple to use/navigate.
I don't think it's a netbook/laptop/phone replacement. People are upset that AT&T was selected for the data network, but honestly.. for $30/unlimited pre-paid w/o a contract and can active/cancel at anytime without a penalty? That's pretty great. Mobile laptop plans start at $60. I much rather have one of these for that purpose.
Also, as the other forum members have posted, this is the ultimate replacement for a desktop/laptop for older people and those that just want the absolute basic/casual web usage. I feel like this will be the Wii for computers - the massive audience that didn't need a full-fledged computer. My mom is a perfect example.
I think the $499 price point is excellent, but the 2nd iteration should include a web cam for Skype/iChat/etc. and multi-tasking needs to be officially supported. Apple has already approved iCall that will allow VoIP calls over 3G/Wi-Fi networks.
The hype disappointed. The video on apple's site makes sense. Overall, an interesting product that will have a niche/casual market. I'm going to continue with the mindset that it's a coffee-table casual computer. When i get home from work, I'll sit on my couch, put a hockey game on TV and could use this on my lap to browse through some articles, RSS feeds, and check up on e-mail. Then set it aside, and repeat. *shrugs*
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I agree it's a fancy e-reader. If you just look at it for face value, it's pretty nifty. IMO it still has the Apple premium attached as I feel for $499 you should get the WiFi and the 3G and 64gb, but at that price point it'll sell how much is the 32gb touch again? And I could see this being a good device for the tech stupid. I could easily see my mom or aunt using this. Would be a great device for my kid while in the car or whatever. Sure beats the $1000+ for the OEM dvd player in the truck
For my own use I would very much pay double apples price for something like the HP Slate which has a full fledged O/S that I'm familiar with. Anyone see that laptop/tablet/slate PC at CES?? THAT was a useable piece of hardware. Small laptop/netbook form factor with it's own hardware battery, keyboard, etc... screen rotated to become a tablet or you could just pull the screen off and it instantly went into "slate" mode running on it own hardware and battery. For the kind of work I do I would drop $2k for one in a heartbeat. Everything I need in a UMD.
For my own use I would very much pay double apples price for something like the HP Slate which has a full fledged O/S that I'm familiar with. Anyone see that laptop/tablet/slate PC at CES?? THAT was a useable piece of hardware. Small laptop/netbook form factor with it's own hardware battery, keyboard, etc... screen rotated to become a tablet or you could just pull the screen off and it instantly went into "slate" mode running on it own hardware and battery. For the kind of work I do I would drop $2k for one in a heartbeat. Everything I need in a UMD.
I have a nook, and really the e-ink screen is awesome for long term reading.
LCDs bother me for trying to read, and e-ink is a lot like normal paper, very easy on my eyes.
Of course this may be personal preference.
iPad:
+touchscreen
+instant on boot up, no fans, no noise
Acer Netbook:
-no touchscreen
-30-60 seconds book-up, heat, noise
They're not in the same category. No one is stopping you from getting both.
But the iPad should be great for casual web surfing while sitting on a couch with its touchscreen interface. Using a netbook on your lap isn't as comfortable IMO.
Please find a netbook with a touchscreen for under $500. They're not as cheap as the regular netbooks.
Assisted GPS is an ambiguous term. It can either mean Assisted-only (i.e. cellular triangulation) or Assited + real GPS (i.e. satellites).
The iPhone has the real deal afaik.
The iPad only has assisted from what we're seeing so far.
It's not a huge deal breaker for the target audience (casual web surfing and email), but it would've been useful as a "take with you" device, where having a GPS is handy. Anyway, at $500 it makes sense that it's not included.
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Too expensive. At half the price it would be a must have device that pretty much anyone could justify, but at the current pricing model all I see are the shortcomings.
Yes, the iPhone has a real GPS chip in it, as the "Mark The Spot" AT&T app used to notify AT&T of poor wireless coverage is able to home in on the actual coordinates the phone is currently at, even in No Service areas (hence the requirement/usefulness of said app).
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Actually I have found a netbook with a touchscreen for 470. The Asus Eee PC T91MT.
http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=qdwslBLhhfuw43HS
Haven't got my hands on it yet but it looks promising.
Yep
Ok so you start off by admitting the Ipad is not a netbook and then go on to compare the prices.
Try multitasking in your Ipad.
Try reading from a usb drive in your ipad.
Try running flash in your ipad.
Try storing 17Gbs of files on your ipad.
You can't
This is nothing more than a giant Iphone
At half the price it would be the price of an Ipod Touch... so... No..
Seriously though, you are pitting a giant iphone against a netbook ignoring that they are not only different machines, but different form factors. Why? What would that comparison show?
Seriously though, you are pitting a giant iphone against a netbook ignoring that they are not only different machines, but different form factors. Why? What would that comparison show?
I hate to be the "ACTUALLY!!!!!1one!!1" person, but:
Actually, they're in the same form factor. The battery life and screen size are very similar.
Eh, I don't think a netbook vs a slab thingie is that similar. Besides that wasn't my point. It was that they are totally different devices not semantics, thats why I tried to throw in the silly parts in the image. I mean personally? If I was in charge of rolling out the iPad I would have paired it with a new Apple TV with a bigger hard drive. Made the iPad have some nifty remote control software for it. Ability to steam from the ATV to the iPad as well as display things on the iPad on the TV (e.g. webpage or some video you found on youtube) as well as all the functions it has now. Maybe thrown in some apps / games that use the iPad like a controller with a display and shown the main part on the TV. Things like that. Probably would have just left the iTouch as the iPod touch and named this the iTouch too. Would have helped move the iPad and bring some relevance to the Apple TV imo. But then Apple is worth billions more than me so that just shows what I know
I wasn't slamming the Acer at all, I just though that image comparison was wonky and ill conceived.
Personally, I'm skeptical that it's even that powerful of a CPU. Certainly it's more powerful than the CPU in the 3GS. But keep in mind that it has to push a screen with 5 times as many pixels as the iPhone or iPod touch. I'd be surprised if the iPad's really capable of much more performance than the 3Gs.
If you care about comfort, I don't think they're similar at all.
I own netbooks, and I don't find them comfortable to use for too long when sitting on a sofa.
Can you do that with a netbook? Yes, you can surf, but you can't surf _that way_.
Seriously though, you are pitting a giant iphone against a netbook ignoring that they are not only different machines, but different form factors. Why? What would that comparison show?
We are pitting netbooks against the iPad because in the keynote, Steve Jobs was bashing netbooks, saying this thing was better, AND a replacement.
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If the iPad is like the iPod and iPhone, bootup is NOT instant on. Instant on is from STANDBY ONLY-and it's available on Windows or Linux just as easily. From OFF, the iPod touch and iPhone both take AGES to boot up.
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About 5 seconds for me. 10 max. I'm sure your life must be super busy if you can't afford to wait 10 seconds.
Yeah, I admit, I meant iPad standby instant on vs. Windows cold boot (or hibernate).
Because face it, the iPad has over a month of standby time, so you will never turn it off on a day to day basis.
Yet no one keeps a netbook on for 30+ days in sleep mode, do they? This is interesting, though, as I'm sure a netbook could get at least a couple of days of battery time in sleep mode. =\ So why do I always turn mine off? :|
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