Modern Warfare 2 is worth it.

refraxion said:
And CoD is now a shooter for pre-teens to teens. So many console only people have never heard of call of duty until MW came out.
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My ranking goes like this:

CS - CoD - OF -------------------------- ARMA2
Kiddie---------------------------------------grown up.
 
refraxion said:
And CoD is now a shooter for pre-teens to teens. So many console only people have never heard of call of duty until MW came out.
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theNoid said:
When you say necessary you mean, in your opinion. Just had to clarify that.

edit. Oh also, opinions are like assholes. We all have one, and they all stink.
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That you have personal hygine issues dosn't mean the entire worlds does....
 
I know everyone has strong opinions on this game. But please keep it civil.

(1) Absolutely NO FLAMING, NAME CALLING OR PERSONAL ATTACKS. Mutual respect and civilized conversation is the required norm.
 
$60 for a 5-6 hour pc game that I'm estimating took Infinity Ward a few years to make - a few years of labor designing, coding and so forth..............

I am also certain Activision spent money to market and distribute and so forth..............

so when it is all added up - a lot of time and money was spent on the product that I certainly hope nobody would pirate for free off the internet.

I certainly feel both Activision and Infinity Ward and their employees are very deserving of the monetary and financial rewards and benefits of their great products.
 
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theNoid said:
Seeing as mice are NOT necessary to play FPSs, I just had to clarify that when you say 'necessary' you actually meant, 'in your opinion.'

edit. Oh also, opinions are like assholes. We all have one, and they all stink.
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that's my sig you're quoting bud! where's the reference? :p
 
my asshole doesn't stink actually

i wash it twice a day and use baby wipes
 
polydiol said:
$60 for a 5-6 hour pc game that I'm estimating took Infinity Ward a few years to make - a few years of labor designing, coding and so forth..............

I am also certain Activision spent money to market and distribute and so forth..............

so when it is all added up - a lot of time and money was spent on the product that I certainly hope nobody would pirate for free off the internet.

I certainly feel both Activision and Infinity Ward and their employees are very deserving of the monetary and financial rewards and benefits of their great products.
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I agree, people who cry $50-$60 is too much but will run out and spend $300+ on a video card to play one game, give me a break.....

at $40 to $60, say it takes you 5 hours to finish it, thas avg $10 an hour of entertainmnet.

Go to a bar - how many drinks can you drink in an hour?
Go to a movie, how much did that cost you for 1 1/2 to maybe 2 1/2 hours for a movie
Go out for dinner for 2 hours... what will that run ya..

You get my drift, time and time again, gaming has been shown to be one of the cheapest forms of entertainment around. You don't like the price, YOU go develop a game for free like CoD series, let us know how ti goes....
 
the game sucks thats why no one is paying $60 for pc verison

if the game was not gimped people would have no problems forking over a extra 10$
 
refraxion said:
And CoD is now a shooter for pre-teens to teens. So many console only people have never heard of call of duty until MW came out.
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You are right, I'm very surprised by how very few people have heard of Call of Duty 1, I mean if you are a fan of the game, shouldn't you want to research about it a little bit?

There is a Brecourt remake in MW2 and all the players vaguely recall it from Call of Duty 2, "Isn't this a call of duty 2 map?" they don't even know that the map was there from the very beginning of the franchise.
 
I can say after playing about 10 hours of mw2 on 360 that it is a very fun game. Now I defintely have to take into account that I never played cod4 on pc, because I have only had my pc for maybe 3 months, had a POS before that. That being said, mw2 is amazing. The levels are just spectacular, they are HUGE. And I haven't even played it online! One huge advantage that consoles get over PC is the offline multiplayer. You can level up and unlock stuff offline with your buddies. And since my two roommates refuse to pay for xbox live we are stuck offline and I can say, its the most fun splitscreen multiplayer I've played in a long time. I didn't watch most of the single player (have played none of it) but it did seem very short. Story seems to kind of end without tying up a lot of loose ends. That being said, the co op is very fun. Short 5-10 min missions that are high action, fast paced gunfights and races against time. I believed with all the hype that mw2 wasn't going to be the great, even for console, but honestly, if you think it got shafted for PC, then just get the console version. Either way, it is a GREAT game. Try it before you say its awful. When I get money for it, I will definitely buy it for PC.
 
prochobo said:
Not being able to choose your server and getting a laggy host sucks, don't get me wrong, but it hardly breaks an excellent title. Buy the game, play it for at least 10 hours, then comment.
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So what happens when you don't live in the US and are pretty much guaranteed to get a laggy host - unless you're the host?

Doesn't sound like that would break it, i mean pfft major lag guaranteed unless you host - sounds like a win/win situation to me.
 
123Lanoix said:
the game sucks thats why no one is paying $60 for pc verison
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Yea, read this article.

iGamer said:
Als jsut heard it has sold 7 million copies in the first 24 hours!

http://www.vg247.com/2009/11/12/analyst-modern-warfare-2-sold-seven-million-copies-on-day-one/
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12% of 7 million is about 850,000. And this list cannot include sales numbers from Steam since they don't release that data. I'd make an assumption that it will sell over a million copies at retail and Steam by the end of the week. Wasn't that the total sales of the holy grail of pc gaming, Crysis?

Yep, no one is buying it at all :p
 
Wasn't that the total sales of the holy grail of pc gaming, Crysis?
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Since when was Crysis the best selling PC game or even the holy grail? It's the most demanding, which probably means by default it sells less if anything.
 
Please tell me there's a way to save profile! I tried SP briefly last night but didn't see any options to create different profiles. So if two people want to play it, you have to start over each time? Didn't see any save/load options, just "continue". Lame.
 
[evo];1034892377 said:
I used to PC game exclusively. Now I cant be bothered and play console. A real gamer enjoys games period, not only on the PC, not only on Consoles. Just games. Having a preference for my couch, large TV, and the ability to play games without spending hundreds on upgrades every few months does not mean I require a diaper :rolleyes: Does kind of sound like you've just left them behind though.
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The diapers was a reference to how much hand-holding and BS is put into consoles compared to PC games for instance-match making on a FPS is just silly. if it was for a RTS that's a different story. FPS online should not have a lobby, it should be drop in and out. don't like it go to a new server. Seeing as how this game is the madden of the FPS it worries me that more companies might go this route. Not to mention how auto-aim is on by default for consoles on most FPS.
 
spindoctor said:
Yea, read this article.



12% of 7 million is about 850,000. And this list cannot include sales numbers from Steam since they don't release that data. I'd make an assumption that it will sell over a million copies at retail and Steam by the end of the week. Wasn't that the total sales of the holy grail of pc gaming, Crysis?

Yep, no one is buying it at all :p
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thats kinda of a small percentage of 7million ?
and this game is marketed alot.I mean its in the news and all over the place. I think that was most of the budget for the game.
so people will see it and buy it anyways. As far as the game being better than previous verison it is not and actually lacks features.I really don't care if this game sells or not because i will not be buying it. I just don't think people should say the game is better than COD4 or is a good product because it is not.
Well you wouldn't know the difference if you owned the console verison because none of those people even know what we are talking about regarding the PC verison.
 
123Lanoix said:
I just don't think people should say the game is better than COD4 or is a good product because it is not.
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i can play this game: I just don't think people should say the game is worse than COD4 or is a bad product because it is not. <--- see how ridiculous it is to state your opinion as absolute fact? people have different opinions. you don't think it's better than COD4, others do.
 
MrGuvernment said:
I agree, people who cry $50-$60 is too much but will run out and spend $300+ on a video card to play one game, give me a break.....

at $40 to $60, say it takes you 5 hours to finish it, thas avg $10 an hour of entertainmnet.

Go to a bar - how many drinks can you drink in an hour?
Go to a movie, how much did that cost you for 1 1/2 to maybe 2 1/2 hours for a movie
Go out for dinner for 2 hours... what will that run ya..

You get my drift, time and time again, gaming has been shown to be one of the cheapest forms of entertainment around. You don't like the price, YOU go develop a game for free like CoD series, let us know how ti goes....
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Movie - Average price is $10 a ticket. Divided by 1.5 or 2.5 is still under $10 an hour.
Dinner - Where are you eating that it costs you $20 for dinner? Seriously, find cheaper places to eat and you'll pocket a lot of cash by the end of the year.

I have another option to offer

Go buy a different game, you'll probably pay less (since $60 isn't the norm yet) and get more than 5 hours out of the single player. That puts us under $10 an hour for the single player.

I'm not saying that the game isn't entertaining, or worth it. MW2 adds a campaign worth 6-10 hours (based on reading various threads), a few guns, perks and maps over the first one, while removing things like lean, modding and dedicated servers. It's the original but different, that's all. I don't see why it should cost $60 instead of being charged $40, since it's just an epic expansion.

The game is fun, no doubt about it. I will not dispute that. I just think it's silly on IW's part to remove things that we had grown accustomed to and add so little in way of what's actually new.

In the end, it's more of the same. If that's worth $60 to you, cool. I'm just going to wait until it drops in price a bit. I loved the original COD and COD:MW, so I bet I'll love this game. I'm just going to wait until it drops in price to what I want to pay for it.
 
JoNo216 said:
Seeing as how this game is the madden of the FPS it worries me that more companies might go this route.
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This is why I will not be paying for or playing MW2. Regardless if it is a good game or not (and I am sure it is, for consoles), I have been playing PC games for nearly two decades and expect more from my PC games.

For the others who don't like the things that MW2 has presented for the PC, I don't understand why some of you are buying it. Do you really want the new industry trend to lean towards relatively uninspired console ports which lack many of the customization options and features which we have grown accustomed to, while also completely devoid of dedicated servers, the keystone of multiplayer FPS gaming on PC?

This is not the direction I imagined the industry headed a decade ago when games like "Deus Ex" or "System Shock 2" were widely considered "ahead of their time". Well, when exactly is their time then, cause from the looks of it we're never going to get there the way the industry is headed.

While MW2 may make for a good game on consoles, to the PC players all I can say is "enjoy your console port". I won't play any part in it and will be sticking to the games for the PC which still push the envelope. Though I know I'm in the minority. -_-
 
Give me my damn FOV setting! Everyone said buy the game its not as bad as everyone says... stop judging it if you haven't played it. Well I bought it ... and it sucks. Graphics are not an update at all and the movement seems different but maybe its just the stupid FOV setting. I don't run the default setting. FOV - 80 is so much better. Maybe it will grow on me I only got to play about an hour or two last night. No console just pretty much finishes it off for me.
 
console gamers are extremely easy to please. I knew a whole bunch of xbox 360 playing mouthbreathers in high school who would play anything a company dumped out into a box. One of them buys it, says it's "THE BEST GAME EVAR LOL" and then it just spreads like wildfire, and pretty soon you either buy the game or lose your friends.
 
Modern Warfare 2 feels like the Transformers 2 of the gaming world at the moment :p Best way I can describe it, except I'm sure the story in MW2 is better.
 
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Modern Warfare 2 feels like the Transformers 2 of the gaming world at the moment :p Best way I can describe it, except I'm sure the story in MW2 is better.
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the story really isn't better. the game was designed around big explosions, not an actual story.
 
iGamer said:
lolz...

anywho I downloaded it only to see if it was worth purchasing, and the Single Player alone was well worth it, so just bought the steam version and am currently downloading it, can't wait to go spec oping with a friend! :D


Als jsut heard it has sold 7 million copies in the first 24 hours!

http://www.vg247.com/2009/11/12/analyst-modern-warfare-2-sold-seven-million-copies-on-day-one/
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And how many people who bought it on console, or evne PC, truly like it, get me a % of people who bought it and now regret it?
Just cause that many people bought it, doesn't mean they all love it to death, they bought it based soley on marketing hype which they spent tons of money on, i havent seen many games with TV commercials, radio commercials, special opening night contests and so on,, wonder how many used copies will be in gamestop and other game stores come the end of the week....

Crapinapale said:
Movie - Average price is $10 a ticket. Divided by 1.5 or 2.5 is still under $10 an hour.
Dinner - Where are you eating that it costs you $20 for dinner? Seriously, find cheaper places to eat and you'll pocket a lot of cash by the end of the year.

I have another option to offer

Go buy a different game, you'll probably pay less (since $60 isn't the norm yet) and get more than 5 hours out of the single player. That puts us under $10 an hour for the single player.

I'm not saying that the game isn't entertaining, or worth it. MW2 adds a campaign worth 6-10 hours (based on reading various threads), a few guns, perks and maps over the first one, while removing things like lean, modding and dedicated servers. It's the original but different, that's all. I don't see why it should cost $60 instead of being charged $40, since it's just an epic expansion.

The game is fun, no doubt about it. I will not dispute that. I just think it's silly on IW's part to remove things that we had grown accustomed to and add so little in way of what's actually new.

In the end, it's more of the same. If that's worth $60 to you, cool. I'm just going to wait until it drops in price a bit. I loved the original COD and COD:MW, so I bet I'll love this game. I'm just going to wait until it drops in price to what I want to pay for it.
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Dido, i may buy it once it drops to a $30 steam weekend deal or something... i refuse to pay above $40 for a game, knowing that in a month or so it will drop so fast to keep sales up! I think people are silly to jump on a game right away and pay so much, but who am i to tell people how to spend their money, if they think it is worth $60, as you said thas cool.

Dinner,$20 for one person,and a nice place, not McD's or some cheap fast food joint, movie tickets in Toronto, ON are $14+ most nights per person when i was there last, for me i eat alot, i can easily do $30-$40 on my own at a decent joint, McD's i usually get 2 combo's :D (no i am now a whale, 6'4 , 211lbs, i just pack away the food)

I am on the side of you in that they nuttered the game, i was just giving an example for people who claim the game is too expensive, that games are actually a cheap form of entertainment when you break it down.
 
sbtim said:
console gamers are extremely easy to please. I knew a whole bunch of xbox 360 playing mouthbreathers in high school who would play anything a company dumped out into a box. One of them buys it, says it's "THE BEST GAME EVAR LOL" and then it just spreads like wildfire, and pretty soon you either buy the game or lose your friends.
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I hate those types of people. I have a bunch of friends like that too, I tell them about a good game that they should get.. but NO ONE gets it until someone in that group gets it, then it spreads like wildfire. Pisses me off, they've never even heard of the game before until I've talked about it.

That's why I never tell them about anything new anymore, go find it out themselves.. and when they do.. I've already beat it or something lawl.
 
PC gamers are generally higher class than console gamers, and its hard to find people out there who are into PC gaming so I usually keep my mouth shut about my hobbies.

PS3 owners are usually a little better, but there's nothing worse than xbox fanboys. its the worst console of this generation and yet they managed to appeal to every teenage boy in north america. With big flashy, hyped up games like MW2. It's the same reason Transformers 2 and crap movies like it do so well. Explosions + hype = $$$
 
iGamer said:
the Single Player alone was well worth it
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Bahaha, you funny.

Now I'm not stating that the length of a story denotes how "good" a game is. But it becomes really hard to justify a $60 entirely on its single player, escpecially one that is based around 6 hours of "THAT WAS FUCKING SICK BRAH" moments. Unless the retail box doubled as a fleshlight and a flamethrower, then maybe I'd cough up some money.
 
definitely. i know a lot of places where you can have more fun for $60 than MW2's single player.
 
I think what some people are not getting here is the frustration in the PC gamer community with IW's squandering of a truly massive amount of goodwill. I adored CoD 4 (and indeed the entire CoD series and before that the MoH series), but I'm rather turned off by some of the dismissive comments IW has made about the PC gaming community (not that my opinion matters).

Had this been any other company I doubt we'd be seeing this kind of backlash. As I posted elsewhere it's essentially IW answering pc gamer concerns with "Because STFU, that's why!"

I would even venture to guess that had IW said something like "Well, we finished and are releasing the console versions of the game, but it's going to take more time to do a server browser and CoD 4 style MP for the PC version of the game. We expect it to be delayed by a couple of months." or "We're releasing the PC version of the game with a console style matchmaking service for now but will introduce CoD 4 style multiplayer in a couple of months" I doubt there would have been nary a peep from the community. But instead we get "Yeah we got rid of lean, console commands, classic multiplayer, and dedicated servers, modability and all of the stuff you liked about every other game in the series. But hey! You can use a MOUSE and KEYBOARD! And even change your SETTINGS! Now STFU."
 
No FPS will ever even come close to CS1.6. It will simply never happen and no game will ever have the following CS had and still has, except starcraft. I have a fairly top of the line system and still will only play cs 1.6 and im not being sarcastic.
 
Scotch77 said:
No FPS will ever even come close to CS1.6. It will simply never happen and no game will ever have the following CS had and still has, except starcraft. I have a fairly top of the line system and still will only play cs 1.6 and im not being sarcastic.
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The McDonalds of PC gaming. Just because you like it and millions of others like it enough to be successful, does not mean the rest of us will get the same enjoyment playing it/eating there as you do.
 
I was all for the boycott of this game - but my brother, even knowing that, gifted this game to me for my birthday. With that said....

All in all, I don't care for it. Much like MW1, even more so in fact, you can tell this is a game intended for young males, full of testosterone, and quite possible diagnosed with ADD. There is absolutely zero setup for each level - you can tell Infinity Ward just didn't care. They create these set pieces, some cool, some not so much, and just drop you in - and within literally 5 seconds you're thrusted into this chaotic shooting gallery of terrorists - the majority of which are armed with RPG's. Lots of times people are screaming at me over the radio, barking obscure commands which ultimately just amounts to "shoot shit and move to the objective arrow". Some of the more interesting set peices they created - the stuff that had the potential to break up the pace of the game a bit and interject some variety - were entirely too short. i.e. the ice climbing and the stealth play. The snowmobiles, while a sweet idea, just came off as ridiculous and arcadey.

Another thing I noticed is, like most recent Call of Duty's, the gun sound effects are quite horrid. Most of the weapons don't even sound like guns. Instead they sound like some guy making fart noises on his arm or something. Perhaps that's why they made the awful decision of not letting you turn down the in-game music. Now Killzone 2, there's a game that creates some meaty sounding guns.

There's just little subsistence to be found. The game feels like a Nicolas Cage summer blockbuster - huge production value, lots of things that go boom, yet entirely devoid of anything meaningful. And quite seriously, if you've played MW1, you've already played this game. It all feels very similar. $60 for this is robbery.

But in defense of IW, mouse control is indeed in the game, and it feels pretty solid.

Graphics are sharp and detailed and it all runs very smooth, but nothing jaw-dropping.
 
nice review PoweredBySoy. it's refreshing to see a well-written, sensible review that doesn't consist of "no dedicated servers = the game blows" as the only justification for not liking it.
 
The singleplayer is pretty epic, it has the feel of MW1, it reporduces the same holywood effect it still has its flaws like getting shot instantly in the face by long range enemies 1/100's of a second after leaving cover making your aim shoot in the air, even on the normal difficulty (2 of 4)

Some of the areas were really well done and were fast action packed sequences where you'd run around skillfully taking bad guys out left and right with your squad of men, then all of a sudden you reach an area where you can no longer really do that, you can't keep this adrenaline packed pace, you have to completely slow to a halt and peek around every single corner because the enemies are either to numerous or have some daft advantage over you, several of the scenes running through the sort of shanty town areas are like that, it completely and TOTALLY ruins the pace of the game, which is a massive shame.

But a few hours long for singleplayer and a broken multiplayer for the PC isn't worth a normal price point much less the higher price point they expect. At least not in my subjective opinion, steam asks £39.99 for MW2 and the "normal" price of £29.99 (25% less) for Dragon age, and DAO is like 60+ hours easily and MW is 6-7

messing up the multiplayer was just about the worst thing they could have done, it turns a hard to sell short singleplayer (which no matter how good, is not worth £35), into a no brainer choice because of 100's of potential MP hours.

It's a massive waste on the PC they're going to lose even more customers to piracy and the anger around multiplayer. You just can't mess with dynamics like dedicated servers for the PC, it's like a car company trying to redesign the shape of the wheel to be better, when we all know that the best shape is a circle, its just obvious to everyone, even 5 year old children. That's basically how I see their stupidity in this situation.

Originally Posted by sbtim View Post
the story really isn't better. the game was designed around big explosions, not an actual story.
Like a Micheal Bay movie.
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Bay-splosions
 
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