MW2, No Dedicated Servers, PB, 9v9 limit, leaning, etc etc

GoldenTiger said:
Those "few changes" negate anything good about the rest of the package.
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And it makes no sense to me why they were made on the PC version of the game. Cod 4 and 5 got it all right, why did they go out of their way to make these changes? It's ostensibly the same engine, the same server browser backend code is probably still buried in their somewhere, so why the fuck would they make a stupid console-tastic lobby system for it?

I mean it's like WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
 
crackbone said:
Stand up for what? Again, there is no stand to be made here.

My point is, again, I'd rather have more games than less. I'm not purchasing the game, but not on some stupid boycott of a company that doesn't give a flying rat's ass about the "hardcore PC gamer."

I am however not going to troll and flame those who do buy it. That's their business. This isn't some fucking crusade, and I'm gonna tell you, having been PC gaming for damn near 25 years, this day was inevitable.

I don't like it. It's not really fair to us. It's the way of the world however, so you better get used to it. Don't like it? Fine don't buy.

However, when the threads start popping up about companies deciding to not release on the PC, and others about "Where the hell are the games?"... that's about all you can expect from a boycott of a minuscule subgroup of gamers.
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exactly :)

hell, look at the reception that crysis recieved after making an exclusive & expensive PC game. There is so much hate for that title, it's no wonder why they announced that they're going to consoles next time around.

Simply put, PC gamers are spoiled brats. They're hard to please and usually the most vocal when something comes around that they don't like. If I was a developer and recieved half the criticism that some of them do, I'd probably walk away from PC games.

People feel so entitled to certain features and I don't understand why. Their game is supposed to be played the way that THEY designed it, not the way you want it to. If you don't like it, don't buy it :)
 
tgabe213 said:
I'm one of the people who bought it. Though upset about a lot of the stuff, our clan has slowly been veering off the competitive track, and looking for something new. That said...

Yeah. I like it a lot. Seems like it will be a lot of fun once you unlock more gametypes. You start out with TDM, Domination, and a combo of the two (prob rotating maps and gametypes)

Maps are pretty cool. On a lot of them, there are a lot of places you can go like rooftops and inside buildings. I've only played about 3-4 of them.

A few grips though:
There is way too much crap popping up on my screen. Now that I think about it, that *might* go away as you complete challenges, but it was the constant “HEADSHOT! +50 POINTS!”, every time. Same with ‘Long distance/!!!!!’ –

P2P and matchmaking is DUMB – No ping in numbers, just green/yellow/red bars. I’m wondering if they show us the ‘host migration’ screen like the console previews showed. We’d just randomly get a CI (no CI message though) for about 5-10 seconds, and then everything was fine. I think they hide the host migration from us. One of the times it was doing its CI thing, as soon as it wasn’t laggy anymore, a person timed out, who was probably the host. I know it wasn't just me with the issue cause I was on vent with 2 others.
Game lobbys are dumb. A match won't start until a certain number of players are there. You can't select your own map to play, just 'vote to skip'. I haven't tried the private server thing though. Everything that's been said about P2P being dumb is completely true. This game would be a ton of fun competitively, and difficult. Lots of open areas and such. Hard to tell who has host advantage, cause there's usually at least 2-3 people with all 4 bars.

No leaning sucks - I didn't realize how much I really used it until last night.



Should we start a new thread for actual game discussion or just keep it in here?
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Everything you mentioned in your post regarding P2P was exactly how I felt about the PS3 version of MW1. I only purchased it for the PS3 since a majority of my friends irl are not PC gamers. I got the PC version of MW2 for $20 due to having some Newegg credits I needed to use so I'm not too worried if the MP ends up sucking. I still get more than enough enjoyment out of MW1. This boycott stuff is hilarious though. I've learned from my Ultima Online days that boycotting is useless --> C.R.E.A.M.
 
eggrolls said:
Has anyone tested the upload bandwidth requirements to host a 5v5 and 9v9 game?
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Well....imo, you should have close to 1.8mbit for even getting remotely close to 9v9. Maybe close to 1.0mbit for 5v5/6v6. Although I dont own the game so, it would be nice to get some feedback on the exact requirements from someone who does.

Its pretty funny to see all the people complaining about lag on the iwnet forums. I mean, duh..its common sense. IW are idiots. They are forcing everyone to play on peoples crappy home connections upload rate. Most home connections dont even have 1.0mbit upload, which is bad....

Anyone buying this game, I hope you enjoy locally hosted 150-300 ping games......I mean, you cant even choose the host I guess so.....bleh.

And if it wasnt obvious, this is the reason why they had to limit teams to 5v5/6v6 mostly, cause they know its has to be hosted off local home connections..
 
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crackbone said:
Stand up for what? Again, there is no stand to be made here.

My point is, again, I'd rather have more games than less. I'm not purchasing the game, but not on some stupid boycott of a company that doesn't give a flying rat's ass about the "hardcore PC gamer."

I am however not going to troll and flame those who do buy it. That's their business. This isn't some fucking crusade, and I'm gonna tell you, having been PC gaming for damn near 25 years, this day was inevitable.

I don't like it. It's not really fair to us. It's the way of the world however, so you better get used to it. Don't like it? Fine don't buy.

However, when the threads start popping up about companies deciding to not release on the PC, and others about "Where the hell are the games?"... that's about all you can expect from a boycott of a minuscule subgroup of gamers.

These crusades/boycotts will have the opposite effect of what you want. You want developers to treat the PC like it should be. More options, etc. Some will, MOST won't. At the end of the day, you are going to wind up with less games. You might be happy with that. I'm certainly not.
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so if you were about to get raped in real life youd just take it and say "eh, nothing to do about it now" instead of at least try and fight back?

blunt analogy yes, but whatever...its your pisspoor "oh well it was bound to happen" attitude thats every bit as much of a problem as piracy, console sales, etc.

id rather see no games than a stream of endless shit to be honest. at least i wouldnt occasionally get my hopes up for no reason.
 
thisperishedmin said:
so if you were about to get raped in real life youd just take it and say "eh, nothing to do about it now" instead of at least try and fight back?

blunt analogy yes, but whatever...its your pisspoor "oh well it was bound to happen" attitude thats every bit as much of a problem as piracy, console sales, etc.

id rather see no games than a stream of endless shit to be honest. at least i wouldnt occasionally get my hopes up for no reason.
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Screw that! I am going to start a petition that says every ass raping should include lubrication....... dedicated lubrication....where as many as 42 can join in. :D
 
hehe not sure if it's been posted yet... but If you go and try to download gametrailers mw2 reviews... here's the link :
ttp://www.gametrailers.com/download/58370/t_calldmw2_vr_gt_nodedicatedserverlolwut981z83_hd.wmv

haha.. epic
 
if you buy the retail boxed version (i.e. from best buy), is it still activated through steam? and could you then get rid of the cd?
 
did someone SERIOUSLY just compare a fucking videogame to getting raped? I have seen I all. fucking wow.
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ihmcguinness said:
if you buy the retail boxed version (i.e. from best buy), is it still activated through steam? and could you then get rid of the cd?
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Yes, I just picked it up at Best Buy on lunch, I'm stuck at work till 5:00 but I've logged into RDP and it's activated and downloading on Steam now so I can play ASAP. :D
 
dr.stevil said:
Simply put, PC gamers are spoiled brats. They're hard to please and usually the most vocal when something comes around that they don't like. If I was a developer and recieved half the criticism that some of them do, I'd probably walk away from PC games.

People feel so entitled to certain features and I don't understand why. Their game is supposed to be played the way that THEY designed it, not the way you want it to. If you don't like it, don't buy it :)
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Simply put, you have no idea what you're talking about.

How is it that they built MW2 using the same engine in MW1, yet they removed a bunch of shit on the PC version? Why do such a thing? Oh that's right, they think it's going to bother the pirates. The way I see it, they kicked a hornet's nest with this dick move, and now more people will probably pirate MW2 than would have initially. People who don't pirate it and don't buy it will more than likely stick with MW1 or spend money elsewhere (Borderlands and L4D2).

This doesn't have squat to do with PC gamers feeling "entitled to certain features". There's no excuse to remove things from the previous game that have no bearing on anything else. If they're so concerned with piracy, tie the game into Steam but leave the dedicated servers alone. There's no excuse.

Speaking of which: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/10/developers-deem-piracy-a-problem-not-a-threat-in-survey/
Troubling news for pirates worried about their fearsome image today: In a recent survey of TIGA members, a majority of developers say that while piracy is a problem, it's not necessarily a fatal one to their business. While 90 percent of those polled think the issue is getting worse, only 60 percent call it a low threat with a mere 10 percent saying it represents a significant danger to their survival.
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All the "zOMG PIRATES!" excuses need to quit.
 
zero2dash said:
Simply put, you have no idea what you're talking about.

How is it that they built MW2 using the same engine in MW1, yet they removed a bunch of shit on the PC version? Why do such a thing? Oh that's right, they think it's going to bother the pirates. The way I see it, they kicked a hornet's nest with this dick move, and now more people will probably pirate MW2 than would have initially. People who don't pirate it and don't buy it will more than likely stick with MW1 or spend money elsewhere (Borderlands and L4D2).

This doesn't have squat to do with PC gamers feeling "entitled to certain features". There's no excuse to remove things from the previous game that have no bearing on anything else. If they're so concerned with piracy, tie the game into Steam but leave the dedicated servers alone. There's no excuse.

Speaking of which: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/10/developers-deem-piracy-a-problem-not-a-threat-in-survey/


All the "zOMG PIRATES!" excuses need to quit.
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DONT FEED THE TROLL.....;)
 
thisperishedmin said:
so if you were about to get raped in real life youd just take it and say "eh, nothing to do about it now" instead of at least try and fight back?

blunt analogy yes, but whatever...its your pisspoor "oh well it was bound to happen" attitude thats every bit as much of a problem as piracy, console sales, etc.

id rather see no games than a stream of endless shit to be honest. at least i wouldnt occasionally get my hopes up for no reason.
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The analogy is way over the top, but for argument's sake I'm going to answer this one.

You already fought back. You signed the petition. You probably posted on this forum and maybe another one about it. You can take it one step further and hold your money, that's fine too. I'm not going to tell you what to do with your hard earned cash.

Beyond that, it's stupid. We all have the facts by now. We know, there is no lean, there is no dedicated servers, no options beyond video and mouse.

We all know the facts. And you say that now, about the games, but games those games you consider shitty? The one's that aren't released on the PC? They'll soon become games that you actually WANT released on the PC.

When that day comes, and if this type of over the top horseshit continues, it will, just remember this thread.
 
Game doesn't really compare to Borderlands or L4D2... or really anything else.

There hasn't been a single other FPS that I've liked anywhere near as much as COD4, and I know this game will provide many, many hours of fun, so what do I care what a bunch of other people think?

I personally like the idea of smaller games and Steam integration, never used lean, and never saw any mods I liked, I only ever used the console to show fps, so I wont miss any of these "features".
 
dr.stevil said:
Simply put, PC gamers are spoiled brats. They're hard to please and usually the most vocal when something comes around that they don't like. If I was a developer and recieved half the criticism that some of them do, I'd probably walk away from PC games.

People feel so entitled to certain features and I don't understand why. Their game is supposed to be played the way that THEY designed it, not the way you want it to. If you don't like it, don't buy it :)
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PC gamers only became really upset when PC game ports started appearing on a grand scale. The shoddy ports and now the decision to not release certain games on the PC are what make PC gaming suck these days. It's not all bad, but times have changed.

Game devs are to blame for this, not PC gamers. They made the decision to make it a huge money machine by catering to the Xbox/PS crowd.
 
zero2dash said:
Simply put, you have no idea what you're talking about.

How is it that they built MW2 using the same engine in MW1, yet they removed a bunch of shit on the PC version? Why do such a thing? Oh that's right, they think it's going to bother the pirates. The way I see it, they kicked a hornet's nest with this dick move, and now more people will probably pirate MW2 than would have initially. People who don't pirate it and don't buy it will more than likely stick with MW1 or spend money elsewhere (Borderlands and L4D2).

This doesn't have squat to do with PC gamers feeling "entitled to certain features". There's no excuse to remove things from the previous game that have no bearing on anything else. If they're so concerned with piracy, tie the game into Steam but leave the dedicated servers alone. There's no excuse.

Speaking of which: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/10/developers-deem-piracy-a-problem-not-a-threat-in-survey/


All the "zOMG PIRATES!" excuses need to quit.
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Sure he does. It's their game, they did the market research, and now the market will decide. Cross platform development , one less obscure platform to develop for... less piracy, more $$ for less effort.

You can vote with your wallet. But that wasn't the point my jumping into this discussion anyway. The point being, don't sit here and tell a guy that he's an asshole for buying a PC game. That's what is going on in this forum.

We all know what this game has and doesn't have. The PC at this point needs all the help it can get. Telling others how to spend or not spend their money is the issue I have.
 
crackbone said:
The point being, don't sit here and tell a guy that he's an asshole for buying a PC game. That's what is going on in this forum.

/snip/

We all know what this game has and doesn't have. The PC at this point needs all the help it can get. Telling others how to spend or not spend their money is the issue I have.
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Good points, I agree with them all.

I think the "don't buy it" sentiment is not really meant as forceful as some people are coming off with it, but it's more of a "stand up for our platform" sort of thing. Some people are more dedicated than others; I disagree with the changes made to the PC game, I disagree with the reasons why - but that being said, I'm not going to try to forcefully tell someone not to buy the game. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want to; I just hope for our sake (not only as PC gamers, but as gamers period) that the outcry eventually does some good.
 
Bought it...just played it for 3 hours....and the game seems fine to me. Just a few faults, but heh, it's a new release. My advice...Do Not Miss This Game.

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PC doesn't need any help crackbone, it's had awesome games before there was a market for games and it will have them after the market is gone. Developers like IW/Epic/id made their names selling to PC niche gamer and now they're leveraging that success to reap the riches of the console market.

All they are doing by lingering on the PC with their sub-par shovelware ports is occupying the budget and mind share of PC gamers. I wish they would just ditch the PC for good, I have no doubt somebody with fresh ideas and a passion for gaming instead of money would step in to take their place.
 
Aix said:
PC doesn't need any help crackbone, it's had awesome games before there was a market for games and it will have them after the market is gone. Developers like IW/Epic/id made their names selling to PC niche gamer and now they're leveraging that success to reap the riches of the console market.

All they are doing by lingering on the PC with their sub-par shovelware ports is occupying the budget and mind share of PC gamers. I wish they would just ditch the PC for good, I have no doubt somebody with fresh ideas and a passion for gaming instead of money would step in to take their place.
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Yep I agree with most of what you are saying. There will always be PC games of some kind. However I still vote for more choices.

Don't get me wrong, I love small time developers pushing the envelope and releasing something special, ie, Torchlight, etc.

However, that being said, I'd rather that we have more games than less, as I've said previously.
 
crackbone said:
lol another multiplatorm console title.
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A multiplatform title that is designed with the strength of each system. The did not gimp the PC version. It has a different interface, camera angles, and also is a lot harder on PC.
 
crackbone said:
Stand up for what? Again, there is no stand to be made here.

My point is, again, I'd rather have more games than less. I'm not purchasing the game, but not on some stupid boycott of a company that doesn't give a flying rat's ass about the "hardcore PC gamer."

I am however not going to troll and flame those who do buy it. That's their business. This isn't some fucking crusade, and I'm gonna tell you, having been PC gaming for damn near 25 years, this day was inevitable.

I don't like it. It's not really fair to us. It's the way of the world however, so you better get used to it. Don't like it? Fine don't buy.

However, when the threads start popping up about companies deciding to not release on the PC, and others about "Where the hell are the games?"... that's about all you can expect from a boycott of a minuscule subgroup of gamers.

These crusades/boycotts will have the opposite effect of what you want. You want developers to treat the PC like it should be. More options, etc. Some will, MOST won't. At the end of the day, you are going to wind up with less games. You might be happy with that. I'm certainly not.
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That's fairly narrow minded in thought.

Would you rather have a lot of mediocre games, or less really good games? But maybe it's harder to relay that sort of mentality to you since your whole post has a defeatist's stance.

However, I do agree that it's poor form to call anyone else an idiot for buying something as buying something is their own prerogative.
 
RexPokinghorn said:
That's fairly narrow minded in thought.

Would you rather have a lot of mediocre games, or less really good games? But maybe it's harder to relay that sort of mentality to you since your whole post has a defeatist's stance.

However, I do agree that it's poor form to call anyone else an idiot for buying something as buying something is their own prerogative.
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I don't think they are mutually exclusive, that's my point.

More titles overall = more mediocre ones, more shitty ones, and more great ones. The point is, the bitching has been about choice or lack thereof. I'd like the ability to continue to have the option to choose from lots of titles.
 
^^^ From reviews, the PC version of Dragon Age: Origins is the one to get if you have a choice.

Adam Sessler (from X-Play, and one of the few reviewers I actually listen to) gave it a 5/5, and said the review of the 360 one would be up on their site shortly but the control didn't translate well on console.

As others have said, DA:O was clearly meant for PC first, console 2nd; not the other way around.
 
zero2dash said:
As others have said, DA:O was clearly meant for PC first, console 2nd; not the other way around.
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This is clearly proof that multiplatform games can be made while taking into account the needs of more than one platform.

We've seen the quality of games decline for years due to consolization, we're at the point now where we risk even dedicated servers, something I thought I'd never see, yet here we are.

Maybe multiplatform games are the future and theres simply nothing we can do about that, however at least we can vote without our wallets and buy the ones where effort has been made to keep the PC title true to the platform and the PC gamers.

DAO is such good proof of this, it's a full on RPG through and through, a spiritual sucessor to a line of PC based games, they managed to keep it true to its roots and hopefully they get the sales they deserve. MW2 has done the exact opposite and I hope the PC sales tank (even if its just relative to expected sales) It might help get the point across.
 
For me, I want to get this game. I really want a better FPS experience. But I know it wont live up to my expectations of a great FPS game. COD4 was close, but no Rainbow 6 competitor. For some of us, thats what we are looking for, the next Rainbow 6(pre Vegas) game. With great weapons, great graphics, great maps, modding community, competition.

RVS wasnt a great game, it had alot going for it, but was buggy, for me very jittery but the premise was there. I played that game for three years and loved almost every minute of it. COD4 has been a great game, but again just missing that little bit of something more realistic.

MW2 is just to console for me. With lean gone, having to depend on P2P connections and my traveling about the globe I cant depend on a P2P matchmaking service when I could have had the ability to find alteast decent servers ajust about anywhere.

I could go on and on, but I wont. I will be moving on like it has been said in the past, to greener fields.
 
hi, such a big discussion i thought id add my 2 cents,ive been..like many of you, playing games for 25-30 years now, this has been happening for a while (poor console ports, games becoming worse, just looking better), alot of us have seen it, and tbh the age group(25 and over imo, nearly 35 :-( ), really isnt the prime audience is it, i have children!!!!

i built maps for the cod1,uo, and 2 community aswell as many other games... nothing great, i like making them , i know some think its sad lol. Activision made $70mil on dlc since august! for waw, they know, pc gamers will not pay it, and either they would like to get rid of us, or not have to spend much time/money on us. simple as that imo, and most know it.

i have played mw2(pc), i think if it had all the things we were use to it simply would b the best fps available, but without them its just another fps. it runs same as cod4, same sounds / voices as cod4, "ohh bloody hell!", i can feel it reaching for my nipples! im personally sick of being milked, same game/year later, nothing really new, this imo is why games are pirated. i dont really play many genres , only fps, football(pes not fifa!) and driving sim (lfs) at the mo, nothing else really grabs my attention. pes has got worse, since the xbox/xbox360 period, consle gui, matchmaking on the pc, ruined the game.
 
My friend just told me why he's not buying it today:

"my wallet is not balanced for $60 pc game support"

If IW is going to use bullshit excuses, why can't we? :p
 
I looked at the game box in the store today and it had an excerpt from the Gamespot.com review on the back...but the review isn't actually up on Gamespot yet. It seems dodgy Activision get to read the review and use it to whore out the game before anybody else can read it...
 
The 360 version of the game is getting very high reviews, despite some of them stating the single-player mode is yet again only about 4-6 hours long.

If a game plays well online (for console standards) it gets automatic 9s and 10s from the console-centric review outlets. It's pathetic.
 
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